Bid to save Lennox has failed

I saw that lol, it dosnt matter, just wish the outcome would have been in his favour.

I am afraid they are going to use this case to make responsible dog ownership more difficult and may even bring in further legislation to apply to other dogs.

I am mighty glad I dont live in Belfast.
 
Dobiegirl,

I've tried to open the link which you've offered, but need a serious de-coder!! It makes no sense, to me. I'd like to read it, can you help? :o:D

Alec.

Ets. C_C, I've just read your link, and am a bit further forward! My apologies. So what's the story? I'm not too sure if a picture really does paint a thousand words, but in the pic offered, that does look to be a serious dog, though hardly grounds for his euthanasia. There must be more to this than the fact that he's a pit-bull, surely. Would someone fill me in? a.
 
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Alec Im sorry you cant access it, Ive just tried and it works, CC has also posted the same link to me and hers also works.

Having had major problems with a very zelous AVG security not letting me access my files and records I can sympathise but not being a techno phobe I cant help. I will try and find another link for you.
 
Basically dog which owners maintain is Am bull/lab/staff mix has never bitten anyone, was muzzled, chipped, licensed, walked on a lead, kept securely in a house with Yorkie, Boxer, young child, multiple foster dog.
During a dog warden visit which is now routine to any dog listed as a stafford or bull breed mix, he arsed about a bit and the owner's partner made an ill-advised comment. Dog was measured and ID'd as APBT 'type' and impounded.
There were questions over whether or not the warden had called to the right address and the search warrant issued by police also was not for the correct address.
Dog has been held at a secret location ever since with no contact from his family (May 2010?) while the Barnes vs BCC case has been dragged through the courts.
Today's judgment was as far as the case could go and the original decision by the court to PTS was upheld.
 
CaveCanem said:
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During a dog warden visit which is now routine to any dog listed as a stafford or bull breed mix, he arsed about a bit and the owner's partner made an ill-advised comment.

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A year or two back, a guy was going through Heathrow, carrying what was obvious to all but an idiot, a violin case. When he was stopped and questioned as to the contents, he said "It's a bomb". He was taking the piss, and his extravagance cost him a missed flight to the US, and a night in detention.

Perhaps if the owner's partner had been a little more circumspect, there wouldn't have been this uproar.

I will say this though, and will accept that I, with no real experience of these TYPE of dogs, view them with considerable suspicion. Looking at that dog, and I've looked into the faces of thousands, it's a time bomb waiting to go off.

A sweeping statement? Quite possibly, but whilst this isn't always the case, there are an awful lot of potential owners who imagine that such an animal will promote them within the eyes of their peers, and again, from my limited experience of such animals, they are not for the novice, or the person who hasn't a clue what they're doing.

The dog's to be put down, and regretfully, I think that that's probably the right decision. It sounds to be an all-round sad situation, doesn't it?

Alec.
 
In fairness to the dog there were pics issued of him being cuddled by a dog warden during his tenure in kennels, the warden who said she was scared of him, ho hum...the only good thing about this whole sorry tale where huge errors were made on both sides (in my opinion) is that the dog will no longer be languishing in kennels.
This wasn't a chav family with a status dog, again, in fairness to them.
 
Having followed the case quite closely, I really do think there is more to it, the dog was assessed by one behaviourist as being aggressive, apparently the dog warden couldn't get near him and then the owner's behaviourist assessed him as not aggressive.

Poor dog having to go through two years without his family, but of course it was impossible for the owner's to know when to give up, and I couldn't say that, if it was my dog, I would know when to give up either.

If the story from the family's side is totally honest then shame on BCC for using him to make a point, and I hope Lennox gets a chance for one last cuddle from his family, but that's probably unlikely.
 
Alec, that photo of Lennox is head on, Im sure if I posted a picture of Diesel my male neutered Dobe he also would look a serious piece of work.


Lennox is owned by a caring family and has never done anything wrong, the family have complied with all the legislations issued by the council and has always been muzzled in public.

A little while ago a Boxer in Belfast had bitten a person but was deemed not to be a threat and was not pts whereas poor Lennox.........
 
Sure , pits and staffies and bull terriers can look extremely "serious" to an outsider. In fact pits are no different to staffies..and that means absolutely gorgeous.Yes,all of them can be very serious fighters,that was bred in them,but also bred in is the cool headed ability never to bite the handler even when fully engaged in a fight.
Over the years I have had almost full time contact with these breeds,and trust their honesty completely.By golly ,if they intend any harm you get plenty of warning,unlike ,say, a border collie that seems to act on impulse.
Because they are bred not to feel much in the way of pain they tolerate children as other breeds cannot.Quite honestly they are the best dog imaginable. RIP Lennox.
 
From some angles my staffy x looks a serious piece of work. But from others he does not. He is also very friendly and affectionate. Don't judge a book by its cover. I see people everyday walking down the street who "look" like they may be dangerous. Does this mean they should be locked away!! You cannot judge anything on appearance and to suggest you can is utter nonsense. This decision is not only terrible for Lennox but for all responsible owners of bull terrier types, who may solely on their appearance be removed from their families and destroyed.
 
Sorry but some of the behaviour of some of the so-called supporters is very undignified, boycotting Ireland and Belfast (hello, plenty of people supporting him there..), threatening the judge, the dog warden and whichever vet administers the injection? Spamming BCC's website and FB pages? None of this will bring Lennox back or help the Barnes family.
 
A protest has been organised at Belfast City Hall this evening. For the sake of the dog, I hope this doesn't go on much longer whichever way it ends. I wouldn't be surprised if he's been pts already though.
 
It is just a horrible situation. I keep thinking that there must be more to it than what has been said. why would the dog warden take such a dislike to Lennox, why have the assessors not fought his corner etc Maybe they are making an example of him.
Going back to the banned breed thing. If legislation had been adhered to when the ban was implemented, all the pit bulls would have been neutered and by now obviously all that type would be no longer in this country. Then all those poor dogs that have been put in bad positions with bad owners (don't mean lennox here) and ended up biting or having dodgy temperaments due to terrible breeding, would not have been here then therefore not have suffered. Also the likes of lennox with good owners but have the misfortune to be tarred with the same brush as the ones with the idiot owners. The ones who have suffered here are the dogs and all for the egos of those who took the banned breeds underground and just bred from anything with a pulse for profit and to be bertie big bollox! just my opinion.
 
chestnuttymare said:
Going back to the banned breed thing. If legislation had been adhered to when the ban was implemented, all the pit bulls would have been neutered and by now obviously all that type would be no longer in this country.
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Ah, but a dog doesn't need any pitbull in their genetics to be classed as a pitbull type - some staffy x labs occasionally look like that type as well as several other crosses
 
All dog wardens hate pits,even my friend who works Newham;we have to agree to disagree on this..or I`d thump her.:D
The Assessment rules are just so ridiculous,so much so that a pit can be classed as non-pit on one or two minor measurements. A law created by idiots for idiots.Sometimes of course that works well for the dog!
 
EAST KENT said:
All dog wardens hate pits,even my friend who works Newham;we have to agree to disagree on this..or I`d thump her.:D
The Assessment rules are just so ridiculous,so much so that a pit can be classed as non-pit on one or two minor measurements. A law created by idiots for idiots.Sometimes of course that works well for the dog!
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I'm not an admirer of the dog wardens I've encountered so far, except one. I captured a loose staffy, big boy, but sweet as pie and luckily the dog warden I contacted owned Staffies and was very knowledgeble regarding bull types. So sad that a dog that had sensible, responsible owners is made an example of. A dog warden who discriminates and fears particular breeds shouldn't have the job. Bloody disgraceful!
 
Cedars said:
What did the bloke say?
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"Lord Justice Girvan, sitting with Lord Chief Justice Sir Declan Morgan and Lord Justice Higgins, set out how dog wardens who tried to examine and measure Lennox in May 2010 were told by a man it would "rip their head off"."

Spoke to someone who went to the protest, it was not well-attended by all accounts.
 
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