Bischon Friese (sp!) - urgently needs a new home!

MrsMozart if your sister was up for it i would be more than willing to take him on and see if i could get him under control. i have a small one to test him on who seems to be very good at putting nippy little puppies in their place. (not that id let him near him unmuzzled until i was sure he wouldnt take a chunk from my son, he is far too gorgeous to be mauled)

But if she doesnt think she could continue on the training then it would be pointless and i have no more room for a permanent resident at the moment.

i just didnt understand the way it was coming across to me, i read it like she hadnt been willing to try from the way you had written it. its very sad to be unable to help a dog and i hope you do find a home which can help with it. its happened to me before and the dog in question ended up being PTS as he was a danger to anyone and everyone.

I just know this happens quite alot and with different dogs comes different learning curves and sometimes even with a PHD in whatever, you need to be willing to do all you can rather than just pass the dog along.
 
Crikey, if I ever need help I sure as hell won't come on here. There are a couple of people I would pm privately but its very unfair to jump down MMs throat if you haven't actually read all the threads through first!

So.. How else would you play this? sister has had this breed, sister has been successful on 2 previous occasions.. with this breed, sister had specifically checked how the dog was around children...end of the day, she has tried, she is putting her hands up and says she can't manage him and is trying to find an alternative. AND she is putting her child first. What is wrong with that?! Hope you manage to sort out this dog and all goes well.
 
Luci07 said:
Crikey, if I ever need help I sure as hell won't come on here. There are a couple of people I would pm privately but its very unfair to jump down MMs throat if you haven't actually read all the threads through first!

So.. How else would you play this? sister has had this breed, sister has been successful on 2 previous occasions.. with this breed, sister had specifically checked how the dog was around children...end of the day, she has tried, she is putting her hands up and says she can't manage him and is trying to find an alternative. AND she is putting her child first. What is wrong with that?! Hope you manage to sort out this dog and all goes well.
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I dont think anyone has jumped down MMs throat.

Alot of the members on here are involved with dogs with 'issues' who have been passed along instead of being properly addressed.

Personally i dont think what MM says is trying hard enough, but im not attacking her sister in the slightest, that is my opinion.

ive always found that someone who is prepared to be straight down the line and brave enough to expose the underlying issues, often has the best advice to give. We could all be fluffy bunnys on here but at the end of the day its another dog who is being passed from pillar to post and no doubt its issues will just get worse like so many dogs in this world, until one day the damage is irreversable and it ends up the wrong end of a 12 bore!!!!

sorry but some people feel strongly about this.
 
Luci07 said:
Crikey, if I ever need help I sure as hell won't come on here. There are a couple of people I would pm privately but its very unfair to jump down MMs throat if you haven't actually read all the threads through first!

So.. How else would you play this? sister has had this breed, sister has been successful on 2 previous occasions.. with this breed, sister had specifically checked how the dog was around children...end of the day, she has tried, she is putting her hands up and says she can't manage him and is trying to find an alternative. AND she is putting her child first. What is wrong with that?! Hope you manage to sort out this dog and all goes well.
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Okay, without actually seeing the dog i can only guess at how i would play this. but it would involve muzzling the dog to prevent any further injuries and watching its behaviour with her child and also the childs behaviour around him. my bombproof terrier has been known to ''go'' for my son (not with an open mouth, just a curled lip and a quick feck off motion) when he has gotten hold of her leg very sneakily, i dont blame her, its my own fault for letting the kid do it, hes a sneaky little beggar when he wants to be)

I would also see what the dog reacts to, if its genuinely aggressive then it will have other things that set it off.

To me, without knowing the dog, it sounds like it was roughhoused with and wound up as a young puppy, possibly by small children (plenty of people do it and think its hilarious to see a puppy going spazzy over you poking it, without realising what sort of behaviour you are promoting) and this is its reaction. it sounds like a puppy who hasnt been taught manners and needs to be handled firmly, the same way a child is taught not to bite.

and it is only a puppy still. it hasnt as far as the OP says drawn blood and is only really mouthing, well that is very common in badly brought up puppies, but isnt all that hard to deal with. you just need to be consistent and persistant. there are far worse traits that can be dealt with. she has only had him from what i can gather 2-3 months, thats not really trying in my eyes. and if she was really concerned about her child then muzzle the dog or keep it separate from the kid, IMO they shouldnt be left together anyway, for the dogs sake, kids dont understand puppys can get broken.

Its difficult to give advice when one moment the OP tells you its agressive and the next its just full of itself.
 
PP I crave your abject apologies. My sister and I are obviously unworthy of your perfect approach to the world and its difficulties. Obviously, if this ever so unfortunate situation should occur again, I should write things out in words of one syllable so as everyone can read it and understand. I should know exactly what it is I need to tell people and exactly how to word it. I should not allow for the fact that the dog may be mouthing some people, but biting others. I should not come on here and ask for help without being a all-knowing expert and trying for what, six months? seven months? Seven years? I should indeed wait until we have a problem of great magnitude, then people can tell me I/ my sister should have done something else sooner.

Fluffy bunnies?! Did I come on here asking for fluffy bunnies?! No. I came on here asking if someone knew of a more suitable home for a dog.
 
I'm really sorry if I upset you MrsM - that wasn't my intention at all. You did make it sound as if the dog just hadn't been trained to inhibit it's biting and chewing at all. Whilst not all puppies bite and chew, it is very common behaviour and anyone taking on a pup should be aware of that and have read up on some of the strategies for dealing with such behaviour. Our pup was very nippy at one stage but I followed standard bite inhibition techniques, such as that detailed here:

http://www.canineconcepts.co.uk/ccp51/cc/dog-training/bit-inhibition.shtml

and now she would not dream of nipping and biting anyone.

Have just read the other thread and delighted to read that the pup has now found what should hopefully be a 'forever home'. It is sad that he has passed through so many homes already at such a young age.

If any good has come out of this thread, I just hope that perhaps just one person who is thinking of getting a puppy will take some of these points on board. I think it is particularly important that potential owners who are likely to have young children in the house on a regular basis give a lot of thought to the matter. They need to bear in mind that a lot of puppies will go through a nipping/biting phase and they need to work out how they will keep the little one safe at such a time - whether that is through using crates, puppy pens, baby gates etc.
 
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Ta TGM :). It's not like you and I to cross swords.

She has had pups before and expected to be doing some work with him, though maybe not quite so mucgh as one would be doing with a three month old pup say.

She's tried various techniques, but for some reason they just don't work for her; whereas I've spent a couple of hours with him and he's doing my bidding (to a reasonable extent). I guess it's just not a good fit between him and her as I've watched her try and can't see where she is going wrong with the basics.

He has a new home now and hopefully he will be settled and happy.
 
Luci07 said:
Crikey, if I ever need help I sure as hell won't come on here. There are a couple of people I would pm privately but its very unfair to jump down MMs throat if you haven't actually read all the threads through first!

So.. How else would you play this? sister has had this breed, sister has been successful on 2 previous occasions.. with this breed, sister had specifically checked how the dog was around children...end of the day, she has tried, she is putting her hands up and says she can't manage him and is trying to find an alternative. AND she is putting her child first. What is wrong with that?! Hope you manage to sort out this dog and all goes well.
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Ta hun :):)
 
This doesn't sound like an aggressive dog, to repeat others...sometimes we don't gel with certain dogs...B's sister is not 'my type' of dog, even without kids in the mix, she will not end her days here but she will stay here until I find a super home for her, even if that takes years.
It would have been easier to bump this dog to rescue and let somebody else pick up the pieces but now it has been rehomed, home-to-home, happy days.
 
Glad for a succesful outcome..and actually I do feel very strongly about dogs being passed on. As a staffie owner with 2 lovely rescues I see a lot of things that happen to these dogs that are just mind boggling.

My boy was passed on for creating mess in the house and being over enthusiastic with greeting previous owners friends, plus.... new baby coming along. For me, hes perfect (and brilliant with small children too!)
 
With you on that one. Our four rescue dogs lived in a conservatory, no furniture, no interaction, no walks. When the lad first went out he was overwhelmed by the world :( One of the girls is still scared of traffic :(. It's been a long time, but now they're happy, healthy, sociable dogs :)
 
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