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lovecharles

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17year old 16.2hh IDxTB needs some brakes! When his old owners came to see him the other day, they went pale when i told them I ride him in a snaffle. I alwasy thought he was a bit strng :p
anyway, they said to get him in a Kimblewick with chain and a market harborough.
i have never ridden in anything other than snaffle and cavesson or falsh noseband. Any information on either pieces of tack and how to use them will be much appriciated!
 

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A Kimblewick might be an option, but certainly not with a market harborough which is a training aid!

What exactly does he do? Does him put his head down or throw it up in the air etc.?
 

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ditto, above, who needs the brakes them or you? i once sold a horse i rode in a snaffle when i went to see it year later it was ridden in dutch gag at bottom! same thing they had no brakes! do you use a jointed or straight bar? maybe using a straight bar might help but sounds like you dont need anything
 

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I didn't think a Market Harborough was strictly a training aid?

Isn't it legal in BSJA? I agree I wouldn't want to use it with anything other than a snaffle though.
 

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Please don't use a kimblewick with a market harborough......as you will always be riding on the curb. Try and borrow a bit from some friends or a bit bank to see if you have better brakes.
 

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Can you have lessons to teach him to work in an outline? I don't think wanting an outline is a reason to use a Market Harborough tbh.

In what way is he strong? Does he take hold or ignore?
 

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There's no use putting a training aid on a horse to make him work in an outline.

Sure, he'll put his head in the right position, but he won't be working through from behind.

Personally I'd experiment with a few bits and find one he's happy in, then get some basic schooling going before resorting to strapping his head down where you want it.

How about a hanging cheek snaffle? Gave my boy just the extra bit of brakes I needed.
 

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i have already tried. my instructor couldn't do it and his old owners couldn't either. it's to bring his head down as he holds it up so high.

he takes hold.
 

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Maybe you could give a loose ring waterford snaffle and possibly a running martingale a try in safe circumstances?

If neccessary you could add in the market harborough, but I bet he doesn't really need it.

Out of interest what was he in when you tried him?

Have you ridden him in a Kimblewick? It does have a head lowering effect. Maybe you are a more secure rider than they were and that will be enough.

I assume his teeth and back are up to date?
 

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He was always ridden in a kimblewick with his old owners (of 8 years and 3 years)
i tried him in a snaffle but he was a bit of a rescue so wasn't very lively as he is now (and how i like - so no 'change his feed etc' please)

i have never tried him or any other horse in anything else than a snaffle.

he has a very long neck and the running martingales never seem to give him enough room.

and yep, up to date.

i will try a kimblewick on its own.
 

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hard work and hard work

my mare came to me and was ridden in a cheltenham gag
i now ride her in a snaffle at all times
yes shes strong, and i probs will change to a different snaffle for xc

but she works in an outline now, and prefers to work that way

lots of lessons, a consistent contact and lots of pushing forwards, getting him to flex both ways will lighten him in both hands and should help with the control

i can now canter her out on a hack in a french link full cheek snaffle with keepers and no martingale
 

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Generally kimblewicks are used with a curb.

Without one I guess the action is similar to a hanging cheek snaffle.

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Sorry bit (haha) of a hijack.

I am always confused by the hanging cheek. I was of the opinion that they give no poll pressure. Am I right? I know it comes up often and I thought it was a bit of a fallacy. Surely if it gave poll pressure you couldn't use it under BD rules?

Agree with the Kimblewick without a chain statement. I would think it would be best to go for a Uttexeter (or whatever it is!) to give the variation of curb pressure.
 

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[ QUOTE ]


I am always confused by the hanging cheek. I was of the opinion that they give no poll pressure. Am I right? I know it comes up often and I thought it was a bit of a fallacy. Surely if it gave poll pressure you couldn't use it under BD rules?


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The hanging cheek does give poll pressure. It is normally used by horses that are that bit strong for a snaffle but do no need a bit that is too strong. It is BD legal and I have seen many people riding in them (myself included)
 

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oh... i stand corrected


however in personal experience it gives me that happy medium between a standard snaffle and a dutch gag , hence why i thought it had that bit of poll pressure
 

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I use a KK tranz angled doodah on my mare. I have three bits with exactly the same mouthpiece but different cheeks.

She wears a full cheek for flatwork and SJ because it gives me good turns, a hanging cheek for lunging because it doesn't matter and a universal for XC because I need brakes more than steering.

I personally have never noticed any difference in flexion between the full cheek and the hanging cheek. The full cheek just gives me more accurate turns.
 

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it's funny you say you havent noticed a different in flexion becuase i didnt notice any on one of my boys so stuck to full cheek for steering but then on my mare there was a huge difference. I think i depends on the horse however my mare is a funny one for bitting she has a hanging cheek for flatwork/hacking, dutch gag on the 1st of the small holes for SJ and then onto the bottom hole for XC/hunting, she is the only horse I have ridden needing something other than a snaffle
 

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How odd lol!

My mare is very soft and happy to flex so you would think I would see a difference!

Perhaps we should start a new post and leave poor Lovecharles in peace lol! It would be interesting to see other opinions.
 
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