Bitting and Other Advice Please!

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Ok, I need some opinions! Please bear in mind that Frank isn't mine :)

Frank is a 13yo ex-racer who came out of racing at 9yo, I believe. He had a wind op (hence the coughing and occasional whistling) and became a dressage pony for an older lady. Eighteen months ago he couldn't canter - he either did a fast, unbalanced trot or launched into gallop and couldn't balance. He's got a lot stronger since I've been riding him and his owner can even manage to canter him now :) During our last dressage outing, only Prelim, I got a lot of "mouth open" comments. I am aware that I cause some of these problems myself as I try too hard to be soft in the contact and go too far the other way and become inconsistent. However, I have been wondering whether a change of bit might be a good idea. This short video shows a close-up of his mouth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rui6Vag5Jc

As we go past C you can see how "mouthy" he gets. He does, however, mostly have his mouth closed but his lips open. In transitions he opens his mouth (and hollows, which I know is mostly my fault). I wonder, however, if he could be encouraged to help me in my learning to make a consistent contact, by finding him a different and more comfortable bit? He is currently in a loose ring with a lozenge, nothing fancy just a plain one.

He had sinusitis last year and is missing a few molars on the left side of his top jaw, which could be causing him an issue in the contact (but nothing a vet is concerned about as he has had regular check-ups since to ensure he isn't getting food compacted and more infection in there, etc). I obviously don't want to potentially cause any more of an issue with this and so it will need to be considered when thinking about bits.

Here is a longer video so you can see generally how we work together:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J54r2tmxHM0

I am well aware that my left hand needs chopping off :rolleyes: If anyone has any constructive comments about the general work, too, then feel free to comment! I asked my husband to take this video as I had an awful time at the dressage last week and I wanted to see if the comments (about his mouth, the "lack of forwardness" and his long outline) were fair as it felt a lot better than my mark. Turns out I think I could do with shortening my reins (carrying my hands myself would be a good start rather than relying on my left thigh to hold my left hand up!) and the transitions also need to be a lot sharper... I still ride him thinking he's a battleship but he left that phase about six months ago and I think I need to be more demanding of him, now. He used to get very wound up (and I'm cautious about jazzing him up as his owner can't cope with it) so I try to ride him quietly and "nicey-nicey" which just doesn't work in a test! I also need to tie my knees to some hefty weights to stop me gripping up (I think I'm gripping with my knees rather than my heels, which makes me heels come up).

Anyway, if anyone has any thoughts about the bit or about our work in general then I'd be grateful to hear them! :)
 
He's not happy in the contact, but I think if you lifted your hands and shortened the reins as to give him ore of a consistent contact and to hold the bit still in his mouth that would help considerably. It's a really hard habit to break, carrying your hands low, but when you do the change is huge.

In terms of the teeth baring, it can be many things. It is mostly seen as a sign of tension if the horse doesn't look happy/ relaxed overall. Reg is a teeth-barer too...

http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/484681_10201235460155659_1315403986_n.jpg

But I think it doesn't get commented on simply because overall the picture presented is quite harmonious, and he looks happy and relaxed through his back. We think it might be habit? He's an ex-racer too...

He does it when he's wondering about the field, or just standing and watching stuff- he scrunches his lips up and shows his teeth... Odd horse. No dental issues, and he's in really good nick atm according to the vet/ physio/ EDT.
 
I agree with lolo, I think hands up and forward with a consistent feel and you'll get better acceptance of the contact. I also think he's not truly going forward which won't help the contact issues. There are a few moments immediately after you come back from canter where the trot looks more forward, then the handbrake comes on a bit.

He looks willing (and cute!) :)
On phone so a little hard to see the vid clearly but he doesn't look like he's gnashing away with his mouth, nor yawing on the bit, is that right? in which case my feeling is that he'll improve quite quickly if ridden into a steady contact :)
Think you'd also be less inclined to get grippy-leg syndrome if he was really taking you freely forward too... I know I end up in odd positions if my mare goes behind the leg :)
 
Good advice re lifting your hands up and riding him up into the contact a little more - the other thing that really struck me is that your hands move up and down with your body in rising trot, which is probably creating quite a lot of movement in his mouth. If you wanted to try another bit all I would recommend trying is a slightly thicker or happy mouth snaffle. Good luck, he looks lovely :D
 
From looking at that I would try a narrower bit, that looks as if it moves a little too much and the lozenge could well be on the bars or edge of his tongue at times, either try more narrow or a simple straight bar, if you have one, ideally a Nathe and see if he is happier, not that he actually looks unhappy it just seems to be how he has adapted his way of going.
Something with fixed cheeks may help reduce movement but again make sure it is not too wide so every time you move it slides through his mouth.
 
Yes, I was having thoughts about a nathe too as I've used them on several horses and found them readily accepted. Also the mouthpiece isn't too thick :)
 
Thanks for all the comments so far, guys! :D

What with me schooling him, and not being the best rider in the world by about a million miles, I know that most of his bad habits are going to be my bad habits. I do ride with the handbrake on as I feel more in control that way (I'm not a confident rider!) and as I said, I don't want to jazz him up in case his owner can't cope. However, I do think I need to be braver! Next time I sit on him I'll keep all the comments in mind and will try to ride more positively forwards into a more consistent contact (and keep those darned hands up :p )!

be positive -funny you should say about the width of the bit, I have thought a couple of times before that it's a bit wide (no pun intended :rolleyes: ) I think I may have a narrower Neue Schule tranz-angled one at home so I might take that with me and see if it'll fit. That could be why I find keeping a contact in the end so difficult - as soon as I apply pressure on one side, I imagine the bit slides across his mouth.

Food for thought :)
 
He can be properly forward but still obedient and on your aids. I think you will end up with better control and more harmony if you both feel able to let the handbrake off ;)
 
I hope so milliepops, however I don't think I've ever ridden with the handbrake properly off in my life! It'll be an experiment! :D
 
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