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This will be a long story so i apologise. The YO had apparently bought 8 fields from a neighbouring farmer, he built his house on one of the fields and also the stables etc. Now apparently the farmer had told the YO that as he had already sold a few things that year (was march) would he mind holding off until the new financial year to give him his money (this was several years ago).

Well from the story i was told from a man that works for the YO, he never paid the farmer, that legal proceedings have been in action for a while and that the YO doesnt even have the deeds for the land.

TBH i took it with a pinch of salt as he wasnt always a reliable source, and i thought this was another tale.

On saturday i was helping out my friend with her livery yard and she has a man that helps her. We got talking and he asked about my horses and where they were stabled, when i told him he repeated the same story, said he knew the farmer and that legally the farmer could come onto the premises and lift anything to pay for the years of interest etc. Now neither boys know each other.

Of course i got worried, but there was more to come. Apparently the farmer had placed a notice that anyone found trespassing on his property would be dealt with (was in local paper) and that he had plans to spray the fields and he would not be held responsible for any harm to any animals that may be in his fields.

Now the address was the farmers own address, but the man at my friends yard said that hes very good mates with the farmer and he told him that to get this man out he is putting weedkiller on the fields whether there is horses out or not. Now thats worrying for me as all mine are out.

I have talked to the YO who is denying all this, he said he legally owns the property, but the thing is. His best friend has removed horses from the yard, also hes brought his own 2 horses in, so only mine are out.

My friend has offered me that if i want to bring my lot over to hers that im welcome, but i love the yard im in and hers doesnt have the things that the current yard has.

Ive tried contacting the farmer but i never get an answer, or when i call up he is never about.

Ive hardly slept a wink since hearing this on saturday, if its true then im so mad that the YO would put my horses at risk like this, as hes telling me to leave them out!

What would yous do?
 
Thanks furryears, i know i just need a kick up the backside.

YO has never let me down, i know i will feel bad moving them as he has done so much for me and ive made some good friends up there.

Friends yard is full of young kids and i was lucky where im at, as he doesnt have any children up there. Youngest one is 17
 
i dont see how they can do that! (they obviously can but like seems so su-real (SP)) seems totally slack to go to those extremes!! i personally think its not your fault you trusted someone!! i would move your horses to your kind friend until there is an outcome! you will be able to sleep and now your horsess arent in danger! when the outcome is there i would either stay at the yard your at now, as long as all is okay, or stay with your mate, or find somewhere with all the facilities you want!! good luck x pm if you want a chat!!
 
Take up your friends offer until this is all sorted out.

The facilities won't seem so great when your horses are ill!!
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Mind you, I really wouldn't believe that a "good" farmer would ever put any livestock at risk and it is probably just scare tactics.

Even so, I wouldn't want to be caught up in this.
 
I would go to the farmers house (if you know where it is) and knock on the door until I got an answer.

Until you do can you not keep your horses in? I would make sure that the YO realised I was very worried and that I was seriously considering leaving if I didn't get proof that my horses were safe.
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Other than that then it looks like you have no choice but to move if you are to get any peice of mind
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Thanks everyone, i love my horses dearly and i do not want them to be at risk.

If its all untrue then i know that i will feel really bad about it all.

Worst thing is the deadline is tonight at midnight. My friend is at a show all day and she has offered to come help me round up my horses, and said she will bring her lorry over.

I feel so upset that this man could be risking my horses, apparently he received a letter months ago that the fields would be sprayed with weedkiller, when i got at him yesterday, he said that he himself is doing the fields with fertiliser.

If it is true, then im so angry that i have been paying livery to keep my horses where i thought was safe, when the whole time they were at risk!
 
I just want to cry lol, my horses do come first, and i will be ringing my friend later and asking her to come pick the horses up.

I will be calling up at the farmers today, and seeing if we are trespassing on his property.
 
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I just want to cry lol, my horses do come first, and i will be ringing my friend later and asking her to come pick the horses up.

I will be calling up at the farmers today, and seeing if we are trespassing on his property.

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you go girl!!!
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just think if its all a lye, it has to have cmoe from a shallow person!! move them and youll be safe!
 
Sounds like someone is playing games TBH. None of it adds up. You say that the YO got this land several years ago and has built a house. To build a house, and indeed a yard he would need planning permission, now you can apply for planning permission on land you do not own, but I find it very hard to believe that the farmer would have left it several years before deciding to do anything about.
 
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Sounds like someone is playing games TBH. None of it adds up. You say that the YO got this land several years ago and has built a house. To build a house, and indeed a yard he would need planning permission, now you can apply for planning permission on land you do not own, but I find it very hard to believe that the farmer would have left it several years before deciding to do anything about.

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oh gosh yeah! never thought of that!! x
 
It all sounds a bit odd to me and a little bit 'he said she said'...

Also, why would the farmer want to spray grazing with weedkiller? Surely (assuming he IS reclaiming the land and therefore wants to use it) if he was wanting to continue to use it for grazing then he wouldn't want to be spraying it with weedkiller, and if he wanted to use it as arable land he would plough it rather than spray weedkiller over grass?
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I'm not a farmer though so no idea how it works, I could be WAY off track...!

Either way, if you have a good relationship with your YO etc I'm not sure I would be so quick to whip your horses off.
 
Why dont you contact the Land Registry and find out who owns the land. I think you have to pay but its not much and at least you will know the facts. In fact just checked and you can buy online for £20.
 
Don't just go to the farmer's house and go away if you can't get an answer; take a letter from you to him, enclose an sae and ask if there is any truth in this rumour, you don't want to delve into the personal aspect, you just need to know if your horses will be safe; stress they are yours, not the YOs so no part of the arguement; he would be hurting you not the YO.
I must admit, I am like Jacqs though about the house. Unless this farmer is the only one living in cloud cuckoo land, there is no way he would have left it this long to claim his money, farmers are as tight as lycra when it comes to being owed money!
On the other hand, if this is true, then it has been known in the past for farmers to weedkill fields to get unwanted lodgers off; they'd rather lose the use of the field for a while than let someone get away without paying what is rightfully due to the farmer - and they are quite within their right to do so if the other party has been informed in writing that this will happen!
 
Keep knocking at the farmers door until you get an answer. At least then you will hear from him if he is intending on spraying the land with anything. Thats the problem with Chinese Whispers, have you seen the newspaper article?
 
I would do a becki2003 - tent in the field! Then, if he comes a-spraying, you'll know about it and your horses will be safe. I know of one or two yards where rumours of land-selling and ownership changes come and go and nobody has ever been out on their ear, yet. I am a bit shocked about the weedkiller threat as the farmer will surely realise that third parties may well be involved and he would be hitting the wrong target so to speak. Also, farmers are canny devils and I doubt 'several years' would have passed and a house built on such a shakey agreement. Things are not stacking up. How many others are on the yard, besides you? If you are on good terms with the YO why would they put your horses at risk - apart from taking your money?

I'd be keeping a close eye on my horses' field and having a word with the farmer.

To muddy the waters even further, I did know of a farmer who went quietly nuts, but he was harmless and it was very sad. This chappie could be equally 'unwell' and it's all rubbish he is talking.

I wish you the very best with this one, do let us know.
 
Okay, now I cannot see how this adds up. it sounds like a lot of yard gossip.
A farmer is hardly going to say to someone "oh pay me later" for some land, then let them build a house and yard on it...BEFORE it's been paid for.
Poisoning horses is just going to get him prosecuted isnt it? why would a farmer do that? alot of farmers don't like horses because they ruin good grass, so as someone else said, if he wanted to have the land back for the grazing why would he spray it with weedkiller? (also alot of weedkillers used by farmers won't actually hurt horses), He'd just fertilize it and leave it to rest. To change it to arable after horses have grazed it for so long would be a long term project, and he'd just plough it...... If he wanted YO off he'd just get it done legally.
Going and knocking on his door is going to make you look silly, sorry, but that's how it will seem. I'm sure this farmer has better things to do than listen to tittle tattle. Sounds to me like someone's had a row with your YO or has a long term grudge and wants to spread gossip. Just ignore it.
 
If other horses have been moved and brought in, I think you should bring yours in too. You can not be on guard 24/7 until this is sorted out.

You could always go and see the land owner yourself and explain your position, find out the truth and see if you could help liaise and calm down the situation.

If your YO has'nt got the funds to buy the land, could you all club together and have a joint ownership. Or could you not offer to club together and pay the land owner rent for using his fields.
 
Apparently he was selling the land to build houses, so i dont think he would care if the land was ruined that way. He has a lane that leads down the lane that we walk down to the horse, its already been sprayed with weedkiller.

With all yous have said, thats why i was sitting on fence. I like the YO but my horses come over him.
 
Well if it IS his land and he is selling it to a company to build houses then it won't be his land anymore anyway, and until it gets sold I don't see how it would matter whether your horses are in the field or not?

It is not cheap to spray a whole field with weedkiller, I just don't understand why he would bother?

I don't think anyone is suggesting you choose yout YO owner over your horses, what I was trying to say was that good YO's at a yard you are happy at aren't always easy to find, as much of this seems to be hearsay I wouldn't risk losing stables at a great yard until I was more sure.

I liked MFH's suggestion of a letter to the farmer.
 
Oh IZT i didnt think that anyone suggested i put the YO over my horses, it was just me saying that my horses come before him.

The notice in the paper claims the fields are being done tomorrow, so thats why i was trying to get things sorted today.

The guy at my friends yard is drinking buddies with the farmer, the farmer apparently told him that he sent the YO a letter to warn him that the fields will be sprayed, well was via a solictor.

Mine are coming in today, its a huge shame when they enjoy being out and one is due to foal shortly
 
So did you see the notice in the paper? Or was that rumour? All very peculiar, what a shame you have had to end up mixed up in it all
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Well, one day in won't do them any harm and at least if the fields do get sprayed tomorrow you'll know exactly where you stand.
 
I think Id move, this sounds like a right old mess which you dont need to be caught up with. I think farmers can only sell so much land before they become liable for capital gains tax so this may be where the rumours have come from. Was in a similar situation a few years back when i was on a lovely yard but the owners got divorced and i got caught in the crossfire, you dont need it
 
If you know the YOs name etc, you will be able to put the name into google and the name of the house and you may well be able to see planning permission etc in his name. In any case, google the name of the property, the farmer's name and the YO's name and see what comes up.
 
Yes ive seen the notice, it warns that hes spraying and that hes not liable for any livestock trespassing on his land.Now it gives the farmers address, but the debate is that he owns the fields that the YO claims is his.

Not a very well girl today, but went and brought all my horses in. YO was up and didnt even question me which i thought was strange.

See i heard a few things about the YO and thought it was hearsay, but went on to find out that it was true! And it was his wife that told me, however they have since split up, otherwise i know she would have told me.

Apparently there was planning permission granted on the land before he "purchased" it
 
First of all I would move my horses straight away and secondly I would infact question why you have been paying livery money to the YO who doesnt actually own the land!
 
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