Boggle- USA bound!

Hey all! Atlas went into the vets today. He is as I suspected still a bit lame right fore. Only really responsive to hoof testers across his frogs. The vet reckons a bruise (given he's improving and quickly having been really very lame less than a week ago) or indeed that wound was an abscess that just find of oozed out rather than popped).

I did radiographs anyway and YIKES. He has HUGE sidebones. Not high enough into the "danger area" or the biggest he's seen living a totally normal life but jeez. And worse on one side, which makes sense given I note he lands unevenly which I hadn't noticed until I took some decent slow mo videos, to my naked eye he looked level. The issue is his foot balance actually looks really good. He was, in his younger years, part of a "neglect case" with a whole herd of morgans. I'm not sure how bad this was, but I suspect he didn't receive proper care when he was younger. He does toe in a bit, and my vet says he feels the landing is really conformational and you can't really force it at this point (with Boggle, we used to trim him slightly unlevel when shod to have him land level. When barefoot which he was for good chunks of the year, he did his own thing with his wear). So it's a little tricky as my vet feels given the confo the landing is inevitable. Kinda wish this conformation had been mentioned at the vetting but oh well!

Anyway, the vet was pretty unfussed about the sidebone itself and even thought it was maybe an incidental finding because he wasn't testing sore where you'd expect with a horse with sidebone that was bothering him.

So it's a little rubbish, to have something like that in a 4 year old. But ultimately I'm not looking to compete at a high level or even event, life just isn't like that anymore and the eventing on this side of the USA is so limited unless you trek across the country every other weekend. So maybe not such a big deal and hopefully he will stay sound enough for what I want to do.

It does bother me to just "allow" him to land unlevel though. I'm sure there will be lots of opinions on that! So my plan so far is he will still go to california (vet said he's totally fine to travel), and I'll have him looked at again by a vet there maybe in 6 weeks or so. For now he can just chill.

I'm not going to go down the route of MRI or anything of that nature, I'm hopefully I'll have a totally sound pony in the near future :). In happier news, he is fully neurologically normal.
My little mare also has prominent side bone at only 6 years old. She lands lateral to medial, with her forelimbs drawn slightly to the midline. I do think there is a little bit I can do about it, in terms of building her thoracic sling up so that it counters the over activity of her pecs which are pulling the limbs medially as she moves. So I think that will result in a more even loading. But the damage is done to her bones already.

I give her constant access to softer ground like a sandpit and rubber mats whilst the ground is so hard, and have rubber mats at some of my hay stations. I also put boots and pads on her for periods like now when the ground is rock hard to help with the concussion (but have to be a bit careful given access to the sandpit increases chance of sand in them and rubbing, especially when hot and sweaty.

I’ve sort of accepted that she will probably only be a 10km sort of a horse rather than a distance horse, and that I’ll always have to be mindful of the ground and her soundness.
 
I did some research about it earlier this year, when I was looking at buying a medically (very) problematic highland pony. The sidebone was the least of my worries, but I had a look anyway, and apparently something like 80% of horses have it to some extent. Even competition horses have it and can successfully event. So, I think it’s really on a horse-by-horse basis. It’s just something to be aware of, to avoid aggravating it, really.
 
Thanks all. I suppose the things that cause the side bone may be what ends up causing the issue. If he’s going to land unlevel his whole life won’t that eventually screw up his hoof ligaments etc?

That said I watch the badminton trot up and the number of horses landing horrendously.. so maybe he will be fine.

He’s such a dear little chap, hopefully we have a nice future together when he’s already overcome so much.
 
Thanks all. I suppose the things that cause the side bone may be what ends up causing the issue. If he’s going to land unlevel his whole life won’t that eventually screw up his hoof ligaments etc?

That said I watch the badminton trot up and the number of horses landing horrendously.. so maybe he will be fine.

He’s such a dear little chap, hopefully we have a nice future together when he’s already overcome so much.
I have a 22 yo who lands slightly uneven on his rf. It’s never given him any issues. Now is he a touch more accident prone on that leg? Yes. But more in the sense he’s been kicked on it twice then got it stuck in mud. Not it’s broken down on him due to work load though and the amount of trail miles I’ve put on that horse. Show miles are light just cause I couldn’t afford it a lot of the times but he’s stayed in competition level amounts of training also. Hell last year I had been conditioning him for dressage pony cup and to take hunting before he got kicked in the leg and had a very tiny hole in his suspensory. And after this last injury he’s still cleared for all the things albeit not jumping outside of an occasional small log on the trails. It’s good to be aware of but important to also remember that a lot of stuff is accidental finds that isn’t affecting them. Gah don’t ever X-ray my body I would be deemed not even pasture sound lol
 
Remember, qLexi had navicular changes. They never got worse and never caused any major issues. I didn’t think she’d be one to work well into her 20s but I’ll never know.

I think it’s good to be aware but very few horses will have perfect x-rays/scans etc.
 
Some people think sidebones help stabilise a hoof 😳

Knowledge of issues can be a dangerous thing as it's so easy to focus on the 'issue' and not on the horse in front of you. Pocholo's navicular hoof (near-side fore) occasionally does very odd things...e.g. he's had a split / hole in the front of it for nearly three years now but we've found over the years that it's best to crack on. The more he does, the better he moves.

I wouldn't sweat it - do what you can on posture and hoof balance, be aware of any changes but overall enjoy him. Plenty of horses are out there with sidebone and many with far worse things on x-ray that are still doing their job!
 
I personally don't worry about sidebone too much if the overall picture is good. It can be very tempting to over fixate on one problem it really depends how he is overall.

On another note he really does have the most beautiful head!!!
 
That’s what Floofs looked like, once healed the scar grows out down towards the frog. He did react much to hoof testers either but they must be sore on them, hopefully Atlas’s is well on the way out now 🤞🏻
 
Thank you! I thought he looked lamer again yesterday too. He’s been trippy on the right fore and it’s not neuro (passed every test with flying colors) so vet suspects pain. Or he’s trippy and caught himself even worse but this is kinda oozy and gross.

I don’t think an overreach would also cause a warm hoof capsule?

Going to look on lunge shortly.

That’s what Floofs looked like, once healed the scar grows out down towards the frog. He did react much to hoof testers either but they must be sore on them, hopefully Atlas’s is well on the way out now 🤞🏻
 
I'd be clipping all the hair away
Giving the whole foot a good ten minutes soak in warm salt water.
Then leaving a poultice on it.
Then keep it as clean and open as possible for a few days to let it keep draining

Perhaps leave lunging etc for the moment some horses act like they have a broken leg with an abscess so they must cause a fair amount of pain.
 
I'd be clipping all the hair away
Giving the whole foot a good ten minutes soak in warm salt water.
Then leaving a poultice on it.
Then keep it as clean and open as possible for a few days to let it keep draining

Perhaps leave lunging etc for the moment some horses act like they have a broken leg with an abscess so they must cause a fair amount of pain.

I am doing the salt soaks and will clip later! Having a disaster of a weekend as had all my wisdom teeth out yesterday and now have to emergency move out of our house due to a huge water leak, so packing absolutely everything for a temp air b and b until we move to California. Gah!
 
I am doing the salt soaks and will clip later! Having a disaster of a weekend as had all my wisdom teeth out yesterday and now have to emergency move out of our house due to a huge water leak, so packing absolutely everything for a temp air b and b until we move to California. Gah!
That’s awful. Warm mashed potatoes was my go to comfort food for my wisdom teeth. The warmth helped the ache. My moms is Mac and cheese lol but also frozen yogurt
 
I am doing the salt soaks and will clip later! Having a disaster of a weekend as had all my wisdom teeth out yesterday and now have to emergency move out of our house due to a huge water leak, so packing absolutely everything for a temp air b and b until we move to California. Gah!
Blimey you never have it smooth do you.

Don't panic to much about atlas just keep it a bit wet for a few days so it can keep draining walking around is the best thing to push it out. Hence a poultice ..that's so dust/dirt doesn't get in.
Ones that come out in the coronet/heel are normally fairly deep so don't be surprised if it takes a while of sound/lame/sound.
Worst case an x-ray of the hoof may pick it up but not always.
 
Thanks for all the advice! Hoof is now cold, I had it poulticed up until last night. I never saw much in their but the area was kinda crusty and seemed "active" whereas now it's drying up. So I do think it must have been an abscess.

He was quite trippy on that foot before and now isn't so I feel like we are going in the right direction! The next few weeks are crazy and I'll be away from Sunday for 10 days, then flying back to pick him up and take him to CA. So he can just chill with no work for now and if I have any doubts once he's in CA, I'll get him seen by a vet there.

Relieved that he seems good to travel! I'm thinking of getting him some soft rides for the journey, apparently they can help with the bumps/concussion from endless hours on the road. It will be 3 days of 7 hours driving each day so it's a lot for him. I've just had a fan installed in the trailer.
 
Atlas is lame again. Sigh. I am so fed up and stressed/ There’s heat in that hoof again that appears more localized to around that wound.

Driving me nuts. I am soaking and poulticing again but I'm just not sure.

He's not lame in a straight line but obvious on a turn, I have two weeks to get him ready to trailer across the country dammit :( I don't know what to do.

Cute at least. IMG_4411.jpeg
 
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IME they take longer to resolve when they've burst out the top and not been drained from the bottom. Presumably since he's had xrays there's no foreign body in there. Is there anything coming out now? If it's not obvious it might be worth putting a dry dressing for a few hours to check. Also better to be out moving if possible.
 
IME they take longer to resolve when they've burst out the top and not been drained from the bottom. Presumably since he's had xrays there's no foreign body in there. Is there anything coming out now? If it's not obvious it might be worth putting a dry dressing for a few hours to check. Also better to be out moving if possible.
He's out! It's hard to tell if there's anything coming out as the whole area (if i soak it) is kinda crusty and gross. If I left it alone it would dry up nicely but I don't know if it should be kept wet so things can continue to drain if needed.

Nothing on x rays other than the sidebone, which could be the source of things but there was definite heat in the hoof around that area so I just don't know.
 
I've sent much lamer horses on multi day journeys to have surgery/ go to suitable rehab barns. Soft rides and perhaps some pain relief for the journey would be my plan (and a round of gastrogard on arrival!)

That makes me feel better!! Thank you. I’m picking up my friends soft rides today. Already got the Gastroguard and sucralfate on hand for a few days prior, during and after.
 
It’s very old fashioned but worked wonders on a horse I had which cut his heel bulb and then developed an abscess out the back of one - sugardine. Iodine and sugar in a paste on the wound and poulticed.

Keeps drawing out without weakening the skin with repeated water.
I love sugardine for anything gross and draining! Marvellous stuff 😂
 
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