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Breeders do you 1st vax/fully vax? beofre your pups go to new homes?
At what age do you let you pups go/minimum age? why?

Buyers when you bought a puppy was it vaxed at all when you purchased and how old?

sorry vague:)

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Ozzie was 7weeks and unvaccinated when I got him!:eek:

Didn't really want him that early, and breeder wouldn't normally let them go that early, but Ozzie's mum didn't want to know him at all (pretty much lost all interest and had to be locked in with pups or she would not have fed them at all after 5weeks!!). Also breeder knew I was taking 2 weeks off work, so Ozzie wasn't going to be left.

Bless my little reject!!:D

ETA His sister was kept and his brother stayed an extra week or two and was vaccinated prior to leaving I believe.
 
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Our lab was 7 weeks when we picked him up. His mum had to be persuaded to feed all six pups. and they were eating solid food at 6 weeks, (wetted slightly to soften it) He had his first injection at 6 weeks and he's now 13 weeks old.
 

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Wow never bought a pup under 8 weeks was always taught they need the extra week with their litter mates. Its nothing to do with the mother not wanting them around anymore.

Anyway I always get mine vaccinated myself.
 

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Jack and Quila were 12 weeks and were vaccinated when we got them home. Tia was 6 weeks (mum had lost interest and friend was struggling to feed 9 big puppies) and hadn't been.
 

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First vaccs and chip
edit, missed the other questions.....8 weeks, I see no benefit to the pups keeping them longer than this as they miss the crucial new learning time and whilst I try to ensure they get lots of love attention and new experiences and fun whilst here you cant give a litter of pups the same individual attention that they get with their new family on a one to one, to me earlier is too soon from a vaccination point of view I always get full first vaccs done and I dont want them done before the anniversary of their 8th week although its possible to do them earlier. This litter start leaving saturday coming, at 8 and a half weeks.
 
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Evies went a day or two before 8 weeks, as their owners were desperate to have them. I had told them quite early on that I was happy with this as long as the pups had been eating well for several weeks. Had they stayed with me beyouhnd 8 weeks they would ahve had their first vacc although different vets sometimes use different vaccines and a pup done with one at 8 weeks may be restarted by their new vet. They were chipped, tattooed and had been wormed at 2, 4, 6 and just before 8 weeks.
There was a time when breeders were advised to let pups go at 6 weeks as this was considered optimum time for socialising, GDBA used to always take their pups at this age.
Not getting at any of the posters on here, but breeders saying they are letting a pup go early because the bitch won't look after them are imo just being lazy. I always start pups on solid food between 2 and 3 weeks and would expect them to be eating 4 meals a day and be totally independent of mum by 6 weeks.

Ets. As to why do I let them go at that age, as Vizzy says really, with the best will in the world it is a real struggle to socialise more than one pup. I still have Freyas sister here as she has to be fully vaccinated before she goes to Spain. I have therefore had to rope in volunteers to help carry them round car boot sales, country fayres etc for socialisation. Alos individidual lead walking round the garden etc, and it is also far harder to do the little first training things like sitting for food with 2 of them competing for attention.
 
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Exactly MM, Flora hasnt shown much interest between weeks 4-5 onwards and once eating solids for a few days I dont expect bitches to, I have never had a bitch at 5-6-7 weeks still attentively watching every movement of the pups! Puppies are hard work from week 5 onwards as a breeder and I totally agree that laziness is kicking in with 'breeders' allowing puppies to go at 6 weeks!

Just to add to my previous post, cos I'm rather proud of the fact....this litter are also leaving me fully toilet trained!

Oh also to add, I think at 7 and a half weeks (my puppies age now) they really are more than ready to face the world in their new home. There is an issue with splitting vaccs into two parts by two different vets and having been caught out this way before (with pups I have got not ones I have bred) I was careful this time to specify early to the owners which vaccinations the pups are recieving at 8weeks and they have all checked with their vets, one vet is ordering in the compatible vaccine as they dont use it.
 
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Well done on the toilet training! Mine were all pretty good during the day but not overnight, however they all seem to have caught on in just a day or two in their new homes and are clean overnight.:D

I have to say Evie is still very attentive of the remaining 2 pups,to a point I could do without, I have told her she really doesn't still need to clean up after them.:eek:
 

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My first two came at 7 weeks, which I thought was a bit early, but they were not bitey pups so the bite inhibition thing was never an issue.

They weren't vaccinated or anything and were hopping with fleas :mad:. I think some people prefer to start vacs themselves in case their own vet uses a different brand.

We chipped them ourselves: I'm a bit surprised the breeder didn't do this as they were KC reg, massive long working lines, no endorsements or anything. :confused:

The second two came at 9 weeks because the breeder had been 'too busy' to sell them :eek: They looked massive compared to the first two and are much bigger dogs. Again, there were no bite inhibition problems although they were much keener on chewing furniture! Not chipped or vaccinated.
 

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Well done on the toilet training! Mine were all pretty good during the day but not overnight, however they all seem to have caught on in just a day or two in their new homes and are clean overnight.:D

I have to say Evie is still very attentive of the remaining 2 pups,to a point I could do without, I have told her she really doesn't still need to clean up after them.:eek:

Eeek!! Flora doesnt clean up after them thankfully, she obviously likes to give them a good washing and check over and shes still giving them a quick comfort feed before bed (which I limit to about a minute only!) On the whole though shes had enough of the precocious little darlings! She wont socialise much with them as a whole litter now, they make her growl and run off when they descend with flailing claws and teeth in the garden! I let her have one on one time with each as much as possible and she enjoys pottering round the garden showing them things or playing with them and teaching them boundries. I think she wll miss them as much as me when they are gone.
 

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Stan was 11/12 weeks, and had had 1st and 2nd vaccs, and had been flead and wormed - but we then had a 3rd vac done as they did an extra one where we lived at the time.

He had spent the few weeks before we got him as part of his breeder's 'pack' - so with 25 other dogs, plus her cats, kids, horses, cows...etc! It seemed to give him a great start and he was house trained in days (I think this was because he was a little older and therefore had more bladder control). Generally his breeder doesn't let them go before 10 weeks.

ETS: He has had a very impressive inhibited bite from the day we got him and I'm convinced that he learnt this in the weeks before we got him.
 
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Although Dylan was a unexpected litter etc he came to us @8weeks, voucher for p@h puppy pack thing ( chip, vacs, wormer) he was wormed before we got him. We went home with a bag of bakers puppy food.....and were asked to ring in a few days to let old owners know pup was ok. I think their hearts were in the right place.
 

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I got Jazz (black lab I had a few years ago that went with my ex when we split) at 8 weeks old with no vaccs, she was 95% house trained at that point and had no interest in biting. She was a breeze of a pup :D
Storm I got at 7 weeks, the lass who bred her did try her best but she was an oops litter and born in a 1 bedroom flat with no garden so had never been outside :eek: She wasn't vaccinated and took quite a while to house train. She was also quite a biter but learned quickly that wasn't acceptable from us and our old dog Tess. The lass wasn't coping with 8 pups in a small flat so she let a few go early. I agreed to have Storm early as I felt Storm would do better here than in the flat :)
 

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When I bred a litter of pups I did not let them go until they were 10 weeks old. People came to see them from 7 weeks. I felt it was important they should be bold and confident before going to a new home. I only had one vaccinated because that couple were going on holiday and did not take the pup until she was 14 weeks old.

I have never bought a puppy that was vaccinated. I never collect a puppy until it is 10-12 weeks old. I always pay for the breeder to keep them. I always offer to pay for the first vaccination if they want to get it done.
 

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The pups I bred had their 1st vacc at 7 weeks old and went to there new homes at 8 weeks old.

None of the pups I've bought have had their 1st vacc (they couldn't have them until 9 weeks old then), Bertie 10 weeks old, Teagan & Skye 7 weeks old.
 

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I wouldn't class myself as a breeder. i have breed one litter but won't be having any more.

Mine went between 8weeks and 8 1/2 weeks, all had first jabs, wormed and frontlined.

I got my weim girl at 7 weeks old and had real issues with her bitting hence not allowing my pups to go any earlier....although i let one go 1 day early as she had a day off and came from quite far away.

Although at about 6/7 weeks i did consider calling all the buyers and offering them to pick them up early lol :eek::D
 

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I never collect a puppy until it is 10-12 weeks old. I always pay for the breeder to keep them. I always offer to pay for the first vaccination if they want to get it done.

What benefit is this to you or the pup though? If you pay for yours to be kept and all the others go at 8 weeks...what if the breeder isnt socialising them properly for you during this time? I dont mind keeping pups longer (and certainly wouldnt charge extra! :eek:) but this is usually because of a pre arranged holiday or other commitment of the buyer. The other pups go and the remaining becomes part of my household with my adult dogs. I once kept a pup til 14 weeks through choice, refusing the owners having it any earlier....she was a very difficult pup and them first time dog owners, I wanted one on one time with her to get her under wraps at the most impressionable period before allowing her to go out to a new home, but that was a very unusual circumstance. It worked though!
 

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Jake was 7 1/2 weeks old when I got him and hadn't had his jabs.
Izzy was 12 weeks and had had her 1st jab when we got her. I can't remember if she'd had her 2nd jab before we got her or not :eek:
 

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All puppies from me are wormed fortnightly from 2 weeks,are tattooed ,reg,insured ,and have at least their first vax and the vital vet check.They do not leave before nine weeks,their mother will have taught them respect and nice play,I will have them established onto our raw food with no tummy upsets.A few days of frozen raw food goes off with each puppy and a diet /training sheet as well.
It is my job as their breeder to find them excellent permanent homes and also ensure the new owner has a blipless first weeks with their new family member. We ALWAYS take back any misfits..so I try and make sure that does`nt occur.
Fleas?? :eek: NO none live here thankyou.
 

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What benefit is this to you or the pup though? !

We found loads of benefits to getting a pup at 11/12 weeks - he had had excellent socialisation and being on a busy family farm had seen all sorts of things going on (the week after we got him we had the farrier out for my pony - he sat on the floor next to the farrier working and went to sleep - turned out he'd seen that all before!).

He never, ever mouthed us - not even once - despite being a 'chewy' pup. He would stop himself (he still does), it was clearly something he'd been taught, probably by the older dogs. He was great with dogs (isn't anymore - thanks to being attacked at 6 months ;( ), good, with our cats and fab with kids.

He was also really quick to housetrain - it took a few days. He was also fully vaccinated and clear to go our for walkies on the day we brought him home - none of this carrying him round stuff, which was good IMO

He goes back to his breeder for holidays and fits straight back in with the pack.

If I ever got another pup, I would want it to be a similar age - but I also wouldn't get a pup from anyone other than Stan's breeder because his early weeks before we got him were clearly very well spent :)
 

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Picked up H at 8 weeks

All the other pups in his litter had their 1st vacc but I asked they they DIDN'T do Harley. I had spoken to my vet who told me that not all vaccination courses are compatitable and if they gave him one that wasn't the same as what he would give them for the 2nd jab, we would have to start all over again anyway. So he went with all his brothers and sisters for his vet check, then I took him to my vet for his jab and another vet check.

I think breeders keeping pups on may well be to do with the size of the dogs! There is no way a breeder of a large breed pups could socialise several pups as well as someone could on a 1 to 1 basis.... Breeders of smaller pups possibly could be able to.
 

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Another thing to bear in mind is that with the relaxation of the Pet Passport rules, anyone buying a puppy from the continent will not be getting it til slightly older too so it will be interesting to see how that pans out in terms of how socialised they will be.

Personally speaking I think nine weeks is the best age to let them go but I appreciate that is a bit of an old-fashioned view, most of the people I know are getting them at seven and even six weeks now.
 

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Well of course ..the earlier the better..then with any luck the bitch will feed them until they go..lots more lubbly jubbly.So so wrong.
 

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CC I know what you are saying the modern take now is getting pups home earlier so they socialise more especially in the guarding breeds.

In the US they were having lots of trouble with unsocialised Rotties and they pin pointed it to breeders telling owners after the first jab not to take them out until 10days after their 2nd jab. This was found to be a critical time in their socialisation and missing out was causing all sorts of aggression problems.
 

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Another thing to bear in mind is that with the relaxation of the Pet Passport rules, anyone buying a puppy from the continent will not be getting it til slightly older too so it will be interesting to see how that pans out in terms of how socialised they will be.

Personally speaking I think nine weeks is the best age to let them go but I appreciate that is a bit of an old-fashioned view, most of the people I know are getting them at seven and even six weeks now.

I have the reverse of the pet passport thing, that is why Paris is still here with us. As already said I have tried my best to do as much socialisation as possible, lead and car training etc, but it hasn't done my back any good.:p
galaxy makes a good point about the size of pups, tucking a couple of little pups under your arm to carry round town would be a darn sight easier.
I can see the advantage of having a pup when its fully vaccinated and ready to go in some ways, but I personally love the very early days of training and socialisation, and the early the better for that in my view.
The downside of keeping a pup until 12 weeks is that I am really going to miss her when she goes, it was bad enough when the others went at 8 weeks, but all the extra time spent on Paris has meant she has become part of the family.:(
 

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Millie was 7 (and a bit) weeks old when i took her home - her mum hated the little blighters and spent as little time with them as possible. Vaccs wise, my friend (on the yard where Millie came from) did her 1st vaccs for me the day i brought her home (for free!!) she had been wormed by the YO/Breeder too...
 

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i got mine at 5 weeks and 5 days :eek:

i know....very young

but her mum was battering her (another reject)!

so she got fed puppy milk and slept on my bed from day 1.... shes like my shadow now! :)


so no - i did all her vaccs at 7/8 weeks and then she went out not long after

i did her chip too :)
 
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