Breeding One of My Bitches

[Tia]

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i think you said you would in your first post ????????????

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Quote from my first post......."if I were going to breed any of my dogs, not that I will because that is not what I do. Reading the whole post often helps.

 

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Indescriminate human breeding.....if only so much care were taken in this eh?

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Amen to that.

 

[CAYLA]

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The dumped Greyhound/Lurcher issue is entirely due to travellers who get the dogs to course, those that are not fast enough of are being worked when the police turn up are just dumped.

This issue would not be solved by any rules or regs as these people are known for not obeying rules.

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Not entirley due to travellers.......I think the fall out in greyhound racing has to take a large portion of the blame over here.
There are regulations in place by the NGR....national greyhound racing......this makes not a blind bit of notice to the fate of the greyhounds either

 

[prose]

I think people ought to think more (an obvious point, I know) about where they get their dogs from. Can you believe that plenty of NY'ers think that buying a dog online/at the pet shop is a good idea? Honestly, I despair sometimes.

KC/AKC registered by itself is not a golden statuette. Being accredited with the national breed club (and therefore competing in performance/conformation events) means a damn sight more, and I'm not sure everyone realises this.

And to Tia, you were the one to indicate an intention to breed your mix, whether glibly or not. Nowhere in your original post did you say you were only for the breeding of purebreeds. In fact, you made it clear that not everyone wants one, leaving us to assume you held that view as well.

 

[Oneofthepack]

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i think you said you would in your first post ????????????

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Quote from my first post......."if I were going to breed any of my dogs, not that I will because that is not what I do. Reading the whole post often helps.

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Yes, but you also said this

I am thinking about breeding my Springer X Collie bitch and am not sure which sire to choose; what do you all think?

Which bit did you want comments on? Sorry but I must be missing the whole point of this post. Was it meant as a joke? Is it a follow on from another thread that hasn't appeared on my screen?

CALA....... love you to bits, in a doggy matey way, but you can't really think that drowning is better than ending up in rescue! That beautiful greyhound may have had a rotten time but she's safe now and will undoubtedly end up in a very good home. The thought of tiny pups struggling for breath under water makes me feel ill and I can't believe that you really think any dog is better off like that. People who buy/acquire dogs and abuse them will always do so and drowning surplus pups will not prevent this.

 

[Tia]

Ah well, as you may not know me very well, I can understand why you may have thought that.

My point is though, just because I wouldn't, or you wouldn't, or even if most on here wouldn't.....it doesn't mean that others have to abide by our opinions. Responsible people are just that, and this responsibility is generally part of their character so covers all aspects of their lives.

I have no qualms about anyone breeding a purebred or a crossbred dog providing they are prepared to be responsible.

 

[Tia]

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Sorry but I must be missing the whole point of this post.

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Yes I think you are....

 

[Oneofthepack]

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Sorry but I must be missing the whole point of this post.

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Yes I think you are....

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So, as Tia obviously doesn't want to explain the point of this post can someone else who gets it let me know.

 

[Tia]

PMSL!! I have

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Interesting that no-one was particularly bothered that my dog could be eaten by the wolf though

. Doesn't anyone like my little Lily?

 

[Tia]

Especially for you, oneofthepack:

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My point is though, just because I wouldn't, or you wouldn't, or even if most on here wouldn't.....it doesn't mean that others have to abide by our opinions. Responsible people are just that, and this responsibility is generally part of their character so covers all aspects of their lives.

I have no qualms about anyone breeding a purebred or a crossbred dog providing they are prepared to be responsible.

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Understand now?

 

[prose]

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Sorry but I must be missing the whole point of this post.

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Yes I think you are....

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So, as Tia obviously doesn't want to explain the point of this post can someone else who gets it let me know.

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To be frank, I think Tia is missing a line or two. There ought to have been an add-on to the thought, "If I were going to breed any of my dogs, not that I will because that is not what I do -- and especially not the mixes ..." that would have saved a lot of confusion about her stance on that matter.

You're the not the only one to be a little confused. It seems that having the freedom to breed dogs is a universal right, but it's fine to use the bucket method, should the theoretical "breeder" not have the wherewithal to find homes first. So, I took it as a "breeding is f-d up" sort of thingy. Sort of.

 

[CAYLA]

No I dont believe drowning is the best option or should even be an option

However we have to keep in mind...that not all dogs end up in a rescue....some suffer far worse fates.......The greyhound was meant to be PTS.....as a well known charity opted out of taking her......It just so happened one of the people involved knew my mam.......and there aint to many people out there like my mam unfortunatley

Not to mention her resulting medical bills.......I dont think many charity'S would/could have funded that

So my point would be she would have starved to death if left/PTS if not taken in by my mam....what kind of end would that have been

after all that suffering.
She should never have been brought into this world in the first place.......but there are no penalties fotr human ignorance.....so for this the animal suffers.

So dont worry OOTP I dont practice drowning of puppies

.....I do however have nothing against them being culled humainly if it means they dont have to. suffer these kinds of fates....be it before or immediatley after.

I have seen many cases where a bitch is brought in pregnant.....in a state abandoned and unwanted.....is it fair to then let her produce off spring when her own life hangs in the balance.
Then try to find good responsible homes.....when u already have over 25/hundreds more in some cases

or more adults to find homes for and care for.
Not to mention relying on people to bring those puppies back to be neutered in the hope they themselves are not bred from

Bit of a rant.....but rescue runs alot deeper than a few pictures

Like I say different opinions for different reasons/experiences

 

[CAYLA]

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PMSL!! I have

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Interesting that no-one was particularly bothered that my dog could be eaten by the wolf though

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.......new debate.....are u for real Tia.....your dog could be eaten by a wolf.....is that responsible

 

[Tia]

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"If I were going to breed any of my dogs, not that I will because that is not what I do -- and especially not the mixes

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Ooh no! That isn't what I believe at all. I most likely wouldn't breed any of my dogs, because I don't breed dogs, but I have no qualms about anyone breeding.....providing they are responsible.

Actually, my initial post left a number of questions hung......same as any other post on this forum. You can't give away all your personal thoughts otherwise where would be the fun in that?

 

[Tia]

LOL!! You're not trying to imply that I have a provocative side to me, are you? I honestly don't know what you mean!

Actually, I really do have to thank everyone for their input on this post; you have made me giggle a lot this morning.

I enjoy reading posts where some people clutch at certain irrelevant aspects of the post....but never seem to fathom the real point of it.

 

[Oneofthepack]

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Especially for you, oneofthepack:

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My point is though, just because I wouldn't, or you wouldn't, or even if most on here wouldn't.....it doesn't mean that others have to abide by our opinions. Responsible people are just that, and this responsibility is generally part of their character so covers all aspects of their lives.

I have no qualms about anyone breeding a purebred or a crossbred dog providing they are prepared to be responsible.

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Understand now?

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Sarky! Yes I understand the point you were trying to make, I think, just have no bleedin' idea why you tried to make it in this strange, obtuse, confusing and deliberately argumentative way or why you chose to make it in the first place. Was it a follow on from another thread about people breeding cross breeds?

 

[prose]

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Especially for you, oneofthepack:

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My point is though, just because I wouldn't, or you wouldn't, or even if most on here wouldn't.....it doesn't mean that others have to abide by our opinions. Responsible people are just that, and this responsibility is generally part of their character so covers all aspects of their lives.

I have no qualms about anyone breeding a purebred or a crossbred dog providing they are prepared to be responsible.

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Understand now?

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Sarky! Yes I understand the point you were trying to make, I think, just have no bleedin' idea why you tried to make it in this strange, obtuse, confusing and deliberately argumentative way or why you chose to make it in the first place. Was it a follow on from another thread about people breeding cross breeds?

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Probably the Lhasapoo thread, I would think.

Again, I think we all have our wits about us, but the original post was rather haphazard and all over the shop.

 

[TGM]

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just have no bleedin' idea why you tried to make it in this strange, obtuse, confusing and deliberately argumentative way or why you chose to make it in the first place.

[/ QUOTE ] You obviously haven't known Tia for very long then, LOL

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[Oneofthepack]

Sorry CALA, I do get what you meant and I do agree that rescue is not just about pictures of thin dogs. The whole dog breeding/owning issue is a sorry thing but at least in this country there are laws that criminalise the cruelty. In Spain they don't even recognise the problem. I've been looking at this site over the last few days (OK I spotted a gorgeous dog-see if you can find Niko..yummy!)

www.greyhoundsinneed.co.uk

and if we think it's bad here you should look at the way the Spanish greyhounds are treated.

With regards to the original post, I think we've all been the victims of the pixie Tia with nothing better to do this morning!

 

[CAYLA]

Phew

.....so u dont think Im a puppy drowner then

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Lovely dogs......sad there are so many

 

[Oneofthepack]

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just have no bleedin' idea why you tried to make it in this strange, obtuse, confusing and deliberately argumentative way or why you chose to make it in the first place.

[/ QUOTE ] You obviously haven't known Tia for very long then, LOL

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I'm just a beginner but I'm getting wise to the old gal now

 

[TGM]

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I think that the majority of people on here work in the same manner as me - I doubt they breed without taking due care and putting in a lot of thought.

[/ QUOTE ] Ah, but Tia you are superwoman, whilst the majority of the forum are mere mortals

. Seriously, though, whilst there are a lot of intelligent, responsible people on here, not everyone who comes on here is like that - just think of some of the stupid things people have posted about their horses!

I do think people have to make their own decisions, but by reading all the pros and cons on here, they have more information on which to base their final decision. I do understand why you posted though, as one or two posts on the subject have come across as rather dictatorial

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[Tia]

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I'm just a beginner but I'm getting wise to the old gal now

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LOL!! Sorry to confuse you oneofthepack.

The post was not designed to be argumentative or nasty in any shape or form - purely to suggest that not all people who breed dogs (whether purebreds or crossbreds) are foolish.

It's all down to responisibility - that was the main point. Glad we're all sorted out now though as I am having terrible trouble getting onto this forum and will have to pack it in now as it's becoming too tedious.

 

[Oneofthepack]

Were you kind of playing devils advocate, like saying all the worst things a dog owner could say on a forum for dog lovers to make the point that some people want to breed from their dogs and have maybe put more thought into it than we give them credit for?

 

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....or were you having a pop at me ? ( is my paranoia showing

) ...I do wish I could agree with you Tia that most people who breed are 'responsible' ...unfortunately Ann Jenns statistics prove otherwise !

 

[CAYLA]

I dont think this is the case MILOR after all a few people always add their bit to the breeding posts, myself included

Nothing has changed I still will......LOL

 

[Tia]

Yes oneofthepack, that's exactly what I was saying - not everyone is a fool regardless of what type of dog they wish to breed.

No Milor; absolutely not. I have the utmost respect for what you do; don't always agree with you, but I have no wish to sink to the level of having a pop at anyone who makes intelligent comments purely because we have differing opinions.

 

[Onyxia]

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I have no qualms about anyone breeding a purebred or a crossbred dog providing they are prepared to be responsible.

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Amen to that!!!
Now, how to stop the "never breed" lot jumping anyone who dares to think of doing so....."

ETS, I have no intrest in breeding dogs.My next will be off to vets for bits whiped out ASAP BUT if someone wants to breed, understands the pro's and con's and is happy to take back a pup should they need to its nothing to do with us if they go ahed or not!
All the assult people asking for breedign advice on here get is going to do is stop them asking for advice int he future.
Surely its better for everyone(the dogs most of all) that the owner can get good advice from lots of different people?

Oh, and I would go for the AHx Jack.

 

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Well said Anima.

I'm still

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a) Anyone thought Tia was serious
b) It took at least half a dozen post for those taking it seriously to show any concern about the 'puppy dunking'.
c) Nobody was concerned about the fact Lily could be eaten.
d) Nobody thought the breeding of the prospective stud dog strange if not impossible (Afghan hound X JRT or a Scottish Terrier X Wolfhound)

 

[CAYLA]

Agree to a certain extent......but its also good for the dogs(off spring in the long run) to give advice.....not to be dictative as TGM stated....but give good reasonable advice.....why there maybe a little more to think about in regard to breeding.
I think if people really knew all the facts/where responsible.....they would go ahead regardless.

To be fair there have been a few posts that have screamed...irrisponsible in regard to breeding......however this does not mean everyone should be shot down when mentioning breeding either........good advice would sufice...but I think people get into discussion with each other also not just the OP.....kinda draws the posts out......a bit like my late night rambling now