Breeding question!!

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pinktiger

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hi there

i have the most beautiful chiahauha(sp) that i would love to breed from, she has the most amazing temperment and would be a lovely lovely mum!! I only ever want one litter from her and i spoke to my vet about it,, he said as shes 3.5 now it would be good to do this year (Summer)

So my questions are,, where would i find a samll chiahauha stud dog( where on earth does anyone start)??

and i have insurance on all my dogs but the one i have currently on this dog doesnt include breeding can any one help with recommendations for good insurance to cover all eventuallitites

Many thanx

PT
 
I don't breed so am not much help!! I'm sure there will be someone along soon who will be able to help, just wanted to say well done for finding out about it first and doing your research, too many jump in and breed their dog without thinking of the consequences.
 
Can you message me with your Chihuahua's breeding & stud book number so I know where to steer you towards a suitable stud dog.

Is she smooth or LC?
 
It may have changed but insurance to cover breeding risks used to be very expensive. This would I imagine be particularly so with chihuahuas as they are known for having problems whelping.
The best person to contact for advice is the breeder of your bitch, she will be able to tell you what lines would suit her, and if she is suitable for breeding. A vet can tell you if she is in good health but is unlikely to have knowledge of the breed standard.
 
Ideally you need to have the relevant health tests done on her first, hipscoring etc, and preferably find a dog with them.

If you go on the Kennel Club website you should be able to find a breeders list for the breed. There's also Champdogs.

Well done for doing your research first. Perhaps the breeder you got her from can steer you in the right direction
 
As others have said research the stud dog and the line which you are breeding into compared to your line etc. The owner of the dog should want to see your girl before considering breeding from her with their dog. If not its a case of anything goes. Having been involved in pedigree breeding you can tell straightaway those out to make a quick buck and those looking to breed the best dogs. Much like horses to be honest.
 
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I have no papers for her as she isn't reg i know her parents, grandparents and greatgranparents personally!!! I fell in love with her when I saw her n couldnt give 2 stuffs what her paperwork says shes related to! I want a small stud dog as she's small nout to do with, showing,selling,further breeding! I don't want to cause offence to anyone tbh!! She has and is currently under going her health checks in great detail as my main and only concern is a healthy outcome for all concerned!!
I am currently in contact with the person who bred her as she is also my good friend,, and she is being very helpful, Like most on here!! Clearly a contentious topic as first reply was ' this should be good'. Why would it b a problem to just reply to a thread without people thinking they should b the only ones who breed!!! Wowzers!!! I have a list as long as my arm for her babies as she is much admired and they would only go to friends!! Thanks loads for all HELPFUL replies!!
 
No reputable breeder will allow you to use their stud dog and it is about time it became illegal here, as it is in some countries, to sell a dog with no papers as a breed.

You don't care about the papers but your insurance company won't pay out more than a nominal value whatever sum you have her for and it is because people will buy puppies without proper documentation that dog theft & puppy farms abound.

On every sensible puppy buyers list is - you wouldn't buy a car without documents so don't buy a puppy without.

No insurance company will cover a chi for whelping.
 
pinktiger said:
I want a small stud dog as she's small nout to do with, showing,selling,further breeding!
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That's not a problem, you don't have to show to make sure your dog is healthy :) Which you're doing. I don't normally recommend it as there's a lot of irresponsible breeders and puppy farmers on it, but if you're careful there's always Epupz, they have studs advertised. I found a lovely, health tested JRT on there that I've used twice

I'll probably get shouted at for that
 
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s4sugar said:
No reputable breeder will allow you to use their stud dog and it is about time it became illegal here, as it is in some countries, to sell a dog with no papers as a breed.

You don't care about the papers but your insurance company won't pay out more than a nominal value whatever sum you have her for and it is because people will buy puppies without proper documentation that dog theft & puppy farms abound.

On every sensible puppy buyers list is - you wouldn't buy a car without documents so don't buy a puppy without.

No insurance company will cover a chi for whelping.
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Firstly all my dogs have been non papered, (so heinz 57) apart from one!! Thats right,, from the day my family ever had a dog only one papered dog, my experience is this,,,, he was the most unhealthy dog we ever had,, the breeder was very reputable and we took him on from owners that were no longer able to cope with his needs,, he was soo ill from quite young and very sadly pts at the age of 7!!! What about all the working dogs, do they all have papers???? Inc bloodhounds, bassets,beagles, gun dogs,collies ahhh the list is endless!!!!!! Dont panic people i doubt papers will ever be compulsary in the uk!!!!!!

Cant wait for my beautiful chiahauha to have her babies and i will be making sure i have covered every eventuallity before i do!!!! Very excited!!!!!! As for the whelping ive just had a message from someone who can help in the insurance department so it would seem all knowing people acutally mayb arent. Take all advice with a pinch of salt, is the best bit of advice on here i was given, that and research research research!!!!!!! IM not interested in any money at all in breeding, all i want to cover is vets fees in the event that the worst could happen and she need emergency vet care obviously!!!
 
s4sugar said:
No reputable breeder will allow you to use their stud dog and it is about time it became illegal here, as it is in some countries, to sell a dog with no papers as a breed.

You don't care about the papers but your insurance company won't pay out more than a nominal value whatever sum you have her for and it is because people will buy puppies without proper documentation that dog theft & puppy farms abound.

On every sensible puppy buyers list is - you wouldn't buy a car without documents so don't buy a puppy without.

No insurance company will cover a chi for whelping.
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This x 1000. Unfortunately, while your friends may say they want a puppy now, what happens if she has all dogs and friends want bitches? Or she has an unusually large litter? What if people's circumstances change and they can't keep the puppy - can you take back one, if not more, of the litter?

As far as health testing go, I would want her checking for patella luxation (does she ever hop when running?), epilepsy, heart and eye disease by vet, and I would also want to know if any of her relatives have a history of heart disease, patella luxation, epilepsy or eye problems. If the answer to any of these is yes then I would consider breeding a no no. The same goes for the stud dog. Unfortunately, as S4S says, the majority of scrupulous stud dog owners (ie those who health test thoroughly and have the good of the breed in mind) will only use their dog on registered bitches, which means if you do decide to go ahead you are going to have to look long and hard for a suitable dog.
 
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No insurance company will pay vets fees for whelping a chihuahua in the UK. They may cover death from whelping but even low risk breeds like whippets can't be covered for this unless the breeder can show proof of experience (used to be three registered litters).

Insurance companies do require proof of paperwork before paying out on death or loss. It doesn't matter what breed, no papers - no more than a rescue dog amount.

Papers became compulsory in Poland on January 1st 2012. They have been in Canada for years.
"What about all the working dogs, do they all have papers???? Inc bloodhounds, bassets,beagles, gun dogs,collies ahhh the list is endless!!!!!!" And most of those do have papers, some don't but all packs have registries, gundogs are mainly KC but some use FCI. Collies have ISDS which has superb health requirements in place as well as the KC as an alternative.

The amount of dog theft and overbreeding is already bringing in legal changes eg. microchipping at place of birth is on the cards. Unfortunately there will always be some who don't care about the breeds or the dogs that they are responsible for.
My last Chihuahua got 2 reserve CCs so she was a pretty good example of the breed and she lived to 17 without needing any veterinary treatment other than routine. She was never bred from as at three and a half pounds it was considered too much of a risk.
 
Murphy88 said:
This x 1000. Unfortunately, while you're friends may say they want a puppy now, what happens if she has all dogs and friends want bitches? Or she has an unusually large litter? What if people's circumstances change and they can't keep the puppy - can you take back one, if not more, of the litter?

As far as health testing go, I would want her checking for patella luxation (does she ever hop when running?), epilepsy, heart and eye disease by vet, and I would also want to know if any of her relatives have a history of heart disease, patella luxation, epilepsy or eye problems. If the answer to any of these is yes then I would consider breeding a no no. The same goes for the stud dog. Unfortunately, as S4S says, the majority of scrupulous stud dog owners (ie those who health test thoroughly and have the good of the breed in mind) will only use their dog on registered bitches, which means if you do decide to go ahead you are going to have to look long and hard for a suitable dog.
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NO offence but i will be going by exactly what my vet advises on the health etc and not what i hear on a forum! You are unable to answer my question about the stud dog clearly but do you have any information (as asked in the op) on insurance or experience of this?
 
pinktiger said:
NO offence but i will be going by exactly what my vet advises on the health etc and not what i hear on a forum! You are unable to answer my question about the stud dog clearly but do you have any information (as asked in the op) on insurance or experience of this?
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Well I am a vet, and this is what I would advise. I could not recommend a stud dog without knowing the bitch's breeding, and in my opinion, it is irrelevant looking for a stud dog until relevant health tests have been completed.
 
Why be so defensive:confused:
I thought you got some very good advice here, inc from a vet on a forum:rolleyes:
Good luck with the insurance, someone I knew tried to insure their lab for breeding and could not get it and they are alot less risk then a chi, we had a chi in last week in whelp, sadly the bitch died and the bill was £1200, so def put that aside, thats my advice. Vet fees are the one thing you should have in place when contemplaiting breeding regardless of insurance!
 
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Please consider the dangers of breeding to your bitch long and hard before breeding from her. I looked into the possibility of eventually breeding from our Airedale Terrier bitch and what dissuaded me was that my bitch could end up getting hurt during the process - she is my number one concern, and the idea of her getting hurt was enough to put me off. Bitches can suffer badly through pregnancy and whelping, breeding certainly doesn't always go smoothly! Equally, the idea of her puppies ending up in shelters put me off. My bitch is a very well bred dog, from excellent breeding lines, and both of her parents have incredibly low hip scores and have been health tested in every possible way, so I could be pretty confident that her puppies would be healthy and also that I would be able to find good, permanent homes for them, but that one in a hundred chance that one of her puppies might end up in less than desirable circumstances made me feel sick! What if your bitch throws more puppies than expected, and you end up having to rehome them to people other than friends and family? And are you sure those you will be rehoming them to have the time and knowledge to raise a puppy, and also that they won't end up in a shelter? With hundreds and hundreds of dogs being put to sleep every day in the UK are you sure you want to be breeding?
Think long and hard about WHY you want to breed from your dog. Personally, I don't think that having a dog with a nice temperament and good looks, or people saying they would have one of your bitches puppies are good enough reasons to breed from it. If you want to breed for the purposes of adding to the breed itself then you really should be breeding from a registered bitch. If people you know what pet chihuahuas then there are plenty of people already breeding pure breds, and also breed rescues.
If you do decide to breed then best of luck to you, I hope it all goes well and that you find good homes for the puppies! Just bear in mind the risks to your bitch, and if you haven't got any dog breeding experience then try to enlist the help of someone who has - whelping isn't an easy job and you may have to deal with fading puppies etc and having someone with experience will help greatly.
I know this all sounds terribly negative, but there are lots of things to consider before breeding! If you've considered all of these things (dangers to your bitch, potential difficulties in finding good homes for the puppies, plenty of unregistered dogs put to sleep etc) and still want to breed, then make sure you are well prepared! Health testing is a MUST, breeding puppies from an unhealthy dog which could pass on any diseases or disorders to their offspring is just plain cruel and irresponsible. If her health tests come back clean, and you find a suitably healthy stud dog then you'll be fine!
Good luck whatever you decide to do!
 
Murphy88 said:
Well I am a vet, and this is what I would advise. I could not recommend a stud dog without knowing the bitch's breeding, and in my opinion, it is irrelevant looking for a stud dog until relevant health tests have been completed.
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Good for you, then you know my vet has advised me correctly, and i would be very wise to use him as the first port of call in all decisions made!!
 
bubbilygum said:
Please consider the dangers of breeding to your bitch long and hard before breeding from her.of dogs being put to sleep every day in the UK are you sure you want to be breeding?
plain cruel and irresponsible. If her health tests come back clean, and you find a suitably healthy stud dog then you'll be fine!
Good luck whatever you decide to do!
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i totally agree with this and this is why i have serious involvment with my vet( stated right at the begining of the op) and will be thoroughly provided with best situations for breeding successfully!! I Have to reiterate that i know 4 generations + of my bitches parentage personally and their health in reality nt just whats on a piece of paper that may have not been updated for months or years!! To me the proof of genetics is in whats acutally heatlhy and on the ground, not whats on paper!!!! My dog is my life and she will be a wonderful mother!!
 
Actually all you said was that your vet had advised you 3.5 was a good age not that he had discussed health tests needed and warned of the possible whelping problems. I actually thought a younger age was suggested as best for toy breeds but am not a vet, although my family has bred chihuahuas, only 2 litters one of which was a singleton and the other needed a c section, after that we decided it wasn't worth the risk.
I admire your confidence in your bitch, I have had wonderful bitches who have been crap mothers, but hopefully all will go well as you seem determined to go ahead. Just one point, and I admit to nit picking here, if you do end up with having to advertise any of your puppies please make sure you spell the breeds name right, it might put off future owners if you don't;).
 
pinktiger said:
i totally agree with this and this is why i have serious involvment with my vet( stated right at the begining of the op) and will be thoroughly provided with best situations for breeding successfully!! I Have to reiterate that i know 4 generations + of my bitches parentage personally and their health in reality nt just whats on a piece of paper that may have not been updated for months or years!! To me the proof of genetics is in whats acutally heatlhy and on the ground, not whats on paper!!!! My dog is my life and she will be a wonderful mother!!
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You seem to be approaching this in the right way, and you are right - a good pedigree and being well bred aren't the same thing! Good luck finding a stud dog, perhaps contact the breeder of your bitch to see if they can recommend someone? Unfortunately, as said in previous posts, those with registered stud dogs likely won't breed to your bitch, and those with unregistered stud dogs most probably won't have had any health tests done, and you can't trust the owners to be completely honest with you without seeing anything on paper. Might be tricky! Possibly try chihuahua forums..? Other than that I don't know. You could try contacting breeders via Kennel Club but don't get your hopes up... Pedigree breeders are, rightly, very protective if their breeding lines.
 
CAYLA said:
Why be so defensive:confused:
I thought you got some very good advice here, inc from a vet on a forum:rolleyes:
Good luck with the insurance, someone I knew tried to insure their lab for breeding and could not get it and they are alot less risk then a chi, we had a chi in last week in whelp, sadly the bitch died and the bill was £1200, so def put that aside, thats my advice. Vet fees are the one thing you should have in place when contemplaiting breeding regardless of insurance!
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sorry if you see it as being defensive! IT totally wasnt defensive.... just stating the obvious tbh!!! I have a brilliant person sorting my vets fees for me now, though, i would have funds in place anyway, whether they cover it or not, i wouldnt breed from her if i couldnt afford to help her if the unfortunate should happen!!! Also within breeding there is risks and complications, and sadly if you are a vet you see them in all shapes,breeds,papers and species(part of the job im sure)! Its is the downside to breeding whether the animal is papered, parents vetted, grandparents, ggrandparents, stud dog, his parents and their parents, checked and double checked you will see it!! But i dont need to tell you that as a vet or assistant you know that already!!
 
Petplan do one but you have to show history of previous breeding, KC also do one but doubt they would touch an un registered dog. If your dog has a C section you are looking at £1k plus, then because of C section you may have to hand rear, all in all very intensive hands on. I am not trying to frighten you just present you with the facts, we have looked into this with our Lancashire Heeler KC reg and a breed which is on the kennel clubs vunerable list. Our bitch is only 8months old so we are talking a long time in the future. In the meantime she will have to prove herself in the show ring and be a good healthy specimen of her breed, both her parents are health tested as was she.
If all goes to plan when she has puppies we will take back any puppy for the full asking price which is what all responsible breeders should do. But we are not talking silly money here as they dont sell for anything like Chis, we will be breeding to improve the breed and to try and get the numbers up not to be making money.
 
PT please just have a look at this link and scroll down to the bit about breeding. As someone who has bred many litters of a breed other than a chi I find it quite offputting. A breeder of chis is actually stating "this breed is one of the most difficult to breed". :(

http://tiffany-chihuahuas.com/usefulinfo.aspx

Bubbilygum makes a good suggestion re chihuahua forums, that would probably be the best place to get advice.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Petplan do one but you have to show history of previous breeding, KC also do one but doubt they would touch an un registered dog. If your dog has a C section you are looking at £1k plus, then because of C section you may have to hand rear, all in all very intensive hands on. I am not trying to frighten you just present you with the facts, we have looked into this with our Lancashire Heeler KC reg and a breed which is on the kennel clubs vunerable list. Our bitch is only 8months old so we are talking a long time in the future. In the meantime she will have to prove herself in the show ring and be a good healthy specimen of her breed, both her parents are health tested as was she.
If all goes to plan when she has puppies we will take back any puppy for the full asking price which is what all responsible breeders should do. But we are not talking silly money here as they dont sell for anything like Chis, we will be breeding to improve the breed and to try and get the numbers up not to be making money.
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i m not interested in making any money or showing or getting money back or whatever!!!although i did watch a programme on the showing dog world recently and how they breed etc WOW that was an eyeopener!!!! All i want is to be able to find the right dog and cover my vets fees,, if thats possible to cover, if not then i will have funds in place!!
 
MurphysMinder said:
I admire your confidence in your bitch, I have had wonderful bitches who have been crap mothers, but hopefully all will go well as you seem determined to go ahead. Just one point, and I admit to nit picking here, if you do end up with having to advertise any of your puppies please make sure you spell the breeds name right, it might put off future owners if you don't;).
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thank you for you advice, but its not needed for selling!!!! Your obviously experienced in selling puppies and correct spelling bringing in buyers etc.. But i wont need to advertise these puppies, as they wont be for sale in the public domain!
 
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