Breeding what would you cross with an ID mare?

[snowcat79]

It would appear that due to injury my ID mare is likely to be retired, we have one or two options left to try, but it now seems unlikely we will even get a light hacking horse, so I'm considering breeding a foal from her for myself, I would be hoping for a low level allrounder, with a focus on dressage and hacking, but still wanting to pop some smaller jumps, so not looking for a record breaker. My girl has upright hinds, so I'd look for a stallion to help improve this, but I would like something safe and sane at the end but with some good dressage potential. What would you all recommend breeding her with? I've thought about another ID, a TB, warmblood, PRE or maybe a Welsh D? I would ideally want something between around 15hh to 16.2hh no bigger. I'm sure there are other good ideas to. What would you pick and why?

 

[millitiger]

TB, Trakehner or similar lighter framed warmblood.

My 3yro is out of a full ID mare and by Timolin who is a warmblood and the result is a really lovely mix.

 

[Abacus]

Assuming she is comfortable carrying a foal. If I were selling on or keeping myself I would probably say TB as a traditional ID/TB mix is still popular (think they are now calling it a TIH) and they are often lovely versatile horses with traits of both. That might not add dressage potential but would probably give you a finer horse. Whereas the Welsh D or ID would be heavier, that's a matter of preference. A full ID is probably also very saleable if it turns out to be unsuitable for you.

 

[Trouper]

You don't say what her injuries are so please forgive me if my first comment seems insulting but are you sure she will be fit enough to carry a foal to term? It does place a significant strain on the body both before and after birth.

That said, for me it would be a good, not over large TB, to lighten the ID bone and muscle structure to give more flexibility and suppleness for dressage. Also, the TB intelligence is always a bonus for me!!

 

[ihatework]

Injury and breeding aside, on a pure ID I’d really stick to RID or TB, and personally for an allrounder you can’t go too far wrong with ID x TB

 

[rextherobber]

ID x TB's are fantastic, intelligent, athletic and beautiful

 

[Slightlyconfused]

Injury and breeding aside, on a pure ID I’d really stick to RID or TB, and personally for an allrounder you can’t go too far wrong with ID x TB

This.

 

[ihatework]

And I’d stick my neck out and say have a look at a stallion that I have never met and know no progeny however he is on my theoretical list to use for allrounder breeding.

Done a lot under saddle himself so must be pretty sound, throwing sufficient offspring for the show ring so must be reasonably correct.

AND unlike much of the over-marketed, under delivering shite stallions in this country the stud seems to pitch him for what he is.

Wessex Starring Role, would potentially be one to research further

 

[Jenko109]

Some of the most versatile, athletic and level headed horses I have ever been blessed to ride have been TB x ID.

 

[Xmasha]

as others have said, as long as the lameness is something thats not hereditary / likely to be passed on/ put mare in pain when carrying foal then you have a few options.

1st being , the ultimate (IMO) allrounder is a pure bred ID. They jump, hack and do dressage. Even numpty ole me did BD on my mare and we did very well indeed. Other shave also done very well, going up the levels with ease.
If you could post a link to her breeding i could suggest a few stallions. Without that, and from what youve said id go Steeped in luck. Ive 2 by him now, out of a Class 1 mare. (Whos main fault was a slightly straighter hock), he really has improved the hind limbs. Both have the same fabulous temperament and move superb ( as youd expect from SIL) Another stallion is Classic Scott, renowned for adding rideability. Had one by him and she was super, hes also lighter/sportier too, so may refine your mare a little.
Plus if you go pure bred and you dont like the foal, he/she should sell easily.

2. Connie stallion, but look for sportier types as you can just end up with a cobby type when crossing these. But they do make fab all rounders.

3. TB , the go to for the original sport horse. But choose your TB wisely. Im yet to find a TB stallion id use on my mares.

4. WB, done this mix a couple of times now with different stallions. Both have been gorgeous, kind temperament ( mum did too). Both had more jump than i needed. One schooled/competed newcomers and above, the other evented and did BS. My one regret ws not using a pure ID on the mare instead off the WB

So it really comes down to your definition of amateur. If you mean RC, then stay native. If you mean newcomers and above go WB

 

[Bobthecob15]

ID x TB, they are fab horses. Or a Trakehner, if you pick the right sire they are fabulous horses and very versatile. I am biased though! The numbers in the UK are sadly dwindling compared to 20yrs ago so I'd definitely recommend one!! Cant go wrong with Contis...or if you fancy an eventer Grafenstolz...father of Lordship's Gruffalo who is Ros Canter's amazing Trakehner x

 

[ihatework]

Honestly Graf is no where near an amateur allrounder stallion choice. IHW faints.

He’s proving a good sport/eventing stallion but his babies need to be in the right hands.

 

[Bobthecob15]

Honestly Graf is no where near an amateur allrounder stallion choice. IHW faints.

He’s proving a good sport/eventing stallion but his babies need to be in the right hands.

Oh is he? Haha! Good to know, he is stunning though! Have a look at the Holme Park stallions, Kobalt is lovely (I had his sister many years ago) and Legend x

 

[teddy_]

The Trakehner stallion Kaiserdom would be a good option - get fresh whilst you can! I believe he throws (competent) amateur friendly stock, whilst still adding quality.

My friend has used him several times over the past few years on Trakehner mares. The offspring have sweet temperaments, as well as being correct.

ETA: your vet is the best person to ask whether your mare is a suitable candidate to be bred from; as they will fully understand the nature of her injuries.

 

[Lucky Snowball]

I’d definitely go for a small TB.

 

[Lauraback]

The best horse I ever owned was a ID xTB - homebred ID mare crossed with a TB stallion. That would be my first choice in your shoes

 

[Bobthecob15]

actually I know an ID mare in foal to this lovely boy, he's by Chilli Morning https://www.westkingtonstud.co.uk/product/just-chillin/ he's not too big x

 

[Kirstd33]

I've been riding a friends ID x TB gelding for a couple of months and aside from the fact that he's a little large for me at 16.1/16.2 he's a gentle giant and a fabulous boy. Seems like a good mix of strength, atheletisicm with a super temperament.

 

[AShetlandBitMeOnce]

I would go for an ID but one that is doing a similar job to what you want, likely to maximise the value if you don't get along but also athletic enough to have a shot at doing the job you want.

I like Carrigfada Diamond: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1694650140639813&type=3&_rdr

 

[spacefaer]

If yourecthinking of smaller ID, I'd look at Rebel Mountain. He consistently throws well put together youngsters and I don't think I've ever seen anything by him much over 16hh - they're usually around 15.2/3hh

 

[Cortez]

Whilst the traditional TB X ID is often a fine animal they do tend to be quite variable in type. I used to breed Trakehners and had an ID mare who I used my Trk stallion on multiple times; only one was really nice. The absolutely best cross I've ever seen is Arab X ID. Nice to look at, usefully medium sized, cheerful temperament, and easy in every way.

 

[#jackofallmasterofnone]

+1 for a full draught and +1 for rebel mountain - anything I have met / ridden by him has had an amazing temperament.

 

[Irish-Only]

And I’d stick my neck out and say have a look at a stallion that I have never met and know no progeny however he is on my theoretical list to use for allrounder breeding.

Done a lot under saddle himself so must be pretty sound, throwing sufficient offspring for the show ring so must be reasonably correct.

AND unlike much of the over-marketed, under delivering shite stallions in this country the stud seems to pitch him for what he is.

Wessex Starring Role, would potentially be one to research further

I've met him and he is lovely. Beautifully put together and a really nice person too. Definitely worth considering, but there are some very nice ID stallions available and a pure bred would be worth more if you need to sell. Hillview Farm Trevelyan is very nice and only 15.2hh One thing to consider if you go down the ID route though, has your mare been inspected/graded?

 

[rextherobber]

+1 for a full draught and +1 for rebel mountain - anything I have met / ridden by him has had an amazing temperament.

Agree, they always seem to have a lovely nature and attitude to life

 

[Red-1]

I have had ID X TB and they have been lovely, but I am also very taken with my current horse, who is defo ID but believed to be out of a Connie mare. He is sporty enough, very sweet, adaptable. He moves beautifully and has a great jump. He'd not be fast XC for eventing but he is huge fun.

Just on 16hh on tip toes, but up to weight.

 

[Celtic Fringe]

Whilst the traditional TB X ID is often a fine animal they do tend to be quite variable in type. I used to breed Trakehners and had an ID mare who I used my Trk stallion on multiple times; only one was really nice. The absolutely best cross I've ever seen is Arab X ID. Nice to look at, usefully medium sized, cheerful temperament, and easy in every way.

I agree about an Arab cross My son's horse is an Anglo-arab cross and absolutely the best all round horse I've ever met. He is quite short coupled, beautiful to look at, excellent feet and quite a good doer. He lives out all year. He has done a bit of everything and is always cheerful and willing. He was an excellent eventer and could have gone a lot further in pure dressage - he was winning at BD Elementary but my son was happy to hack and the occasional hunter trial once the horse reached his late teens.

 

[rara007]

I’d stick with RID.

 

[LEC]

I am killing myself laughing with suggestions of Trakehner. You all need to delve into your history books as they have a very certain mentality and it’s explained in the book written about their journey during WW2. Essentially as a closed stud book it was nearly wiped out and the survivors are TOUGH and the genes left have many of those traits.

It depends what you want to do. A lot of ID have a lousy canter until they are 7/8 years old. So worth considering how much work you will need to put in on a pure. Personally I would lighten the mare with blood but depends what you want. Cos me is Black is producing very sensible types. He is 50/50 ID/TB so would give you 3/4!ID. Or you go pure blood to give you half. A lot of friends have nice Connie x ID.

Basically loads of possibilities

 

[tristars]

Everything depends on the two horses mated as individuals, I would go for Anglo Arab and inject quality and expect to get a lot from that mating even if on paper it seems a risk or unusual and may Come out more of a ladies horse

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

I echo, another ID. Dunno if this boy is still being used, he’s 23 now but there was a cracking foal from him at my yard a few years ago and I know a member on here had one of his offspring. https://sporthorse-data.com/pedigree/avanti-amorous-archie