Breeding what would you cross with an ID mare?

[LadyGascoyne]

It would appear that due to injury my ID mare is likely to be retired, we have one or two options left to try, but it now seems unlikely we will even get a light hacking horse, so I'm considering breeding a foal from her for myself, I would be hoping for a low level allrounder, with a focus on dressage and hacking, but still wanting to pop some smaller jumps, so not looking for a record breaking. My girl has upright hinds, so I'd look for a stallion to help improve this, but I would like something safe and sane at the end but with some good dressage potential. What would you all recommend breeding her with? I've thought about another ID, a TB, warmblood, PRE or maybe a Welsh D? I would ideally want something between around 15hh to 16.2hh no bigger. I'm sure there are other good ideas to. What would you pick and why?

What about Fame’s Dakota? He’s a partbred Arab, he’s quite sporty and he has a fantastic temperament.

 

[Asha]

I echo, another ID. Dunno if this boy is still being used, he’s 23 now but there was a cracking foal from him at my yard a few years ago and I know a member on here had one of his offspring. https://sporthorse-data.com/pedigree/avanti-amorous-archie

He’s retired now. Fabulous stallion who really stamps his stock. I’m lucky to have 3 by him plus 2 grandkids

 

[SantaVera]

Anglo Arab

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

He’s retired now. Fabulous stallion who really stamps his stock. I’m lucky to have 3 by him plus 2 grandkids

Bless him, he’s been prolific! I’m very jealous that you have 3 of his progeny. The ones I’ve seen have been fabulous. I’m just starting to think about getting back on board, but don’t think I want another, but if I did, I’d want a big bay ID!

 

[teddy_]

I am killing myself laughing with suggestions of Trakehner. You all need to delve into your history books as they have a very certain mentality and it’s explained in the book written about their journey during WW2. Essentially as a closed stud book it was nearly wiped out and the survivors are TOUGH and the genes left have many of those traits.

It depends what you want to do. A lot of ID have a lousy canter until they are 7/8 years old. So worth considering how much work you will need to put in on a pure. Personally I would lighten the mare with blood but depends what you want. Cos me is Black is producing very sensible types. He is 50/50 ID/TB so would give you 3/4!ID. Or you go pure blood to give you half. A lot of friends have nice Connie x ID.

Basically loads of possibilities

Why are you killing yourself laughing ?

I have had three Trakehners, all of whom have been lovely horses with exceptional rideability for my amateur self.

Whilst I understand the heritage / lineage of the Trakehner is distinctly different to other modern warmblood horses - I don’t understand why some people make out they are more difficult than say other continental sports horses.

Family friends of mine have bred Trakehners on a commercial and private scale, and a good majority were suitable for competent, educated amateurs with adequate training and production. Mostly from elite and premium stock, but all stallions and broodmares from Germany - so no watering down was done with lesser proven second generation UK stock.

My current horse, who was bred in Holland is no less ‘sharp’ (if anything, more so!) than any of the Trakehners I have handled and ridden - yet some might joke she is a Dutch donkey .

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but I actually think the breed needs promoting as IME, they are wonderful, intelligent and knowing horses. I did caveat my suggestion of Kaiserdom being a potential stallion for the competent person, not just anyone looking to breed a pretty horse.

 

[Bobthecob15]

Why are you killing yourself laughing ?

I have had three Trakehners, all of whom have been lovely horses with exceptional rideability for my amateur self.

Whilst I understand the heritage / lineage of the Trakehner is distinctly different to other modern warmblood horses - I don’t understand why some people make out they are more difficult than say other continental sports horses.

Family friends of mine have bred Trakehners on a commercial and private scale, and a good majority were suitable for competent, educated amateurs with adequate training and production. Mostly from elite and premium stock, but all stallions and broodmares from Germany - so no watering down was done with lesser proven second generation UK stock.

My current horse, who was bred in Holland is no less ‘sharp’ (if anything, more so!) than any of the Trakehners I have handled and ridden - yet some might joke she is a Dutch donkey .

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but I actually think the breed needs promoting as IME, they are wonderful, intelligent and knowing horses. I did caveat my suggestion of Kaiserdom being a potential stallion for the competent person, not just anyone looking to breed a pretty horse.

Well said!! have the same experience as you. Fabulous horses x

 

[Cortez]

Why are you killing yourself laughing ?

I have had three Trakehners, all of whom have been lovely horses with exceptional rideability for my amateur self.

Whilst I understand the heritage / lineage of the Trakehner is distinctly different to other modern warmblood horses - I don’t understand why some people make out they are more difficult than say other continental sports horses.

Family friends of mine have bred Trakehners on a commercial and private scale, and a good majority were suitable for competent, educated amateurs with adequate training and production. Mostly from elite and premium stock, but all stallions and broodmares from Germany - so no watering down was done with lesser proven second generation UK stock.

My current horse, who was bred in Holland is no less ‘sharp’ (if anything, more so!) than any of the Trakehners I have handled and ridden - yet some might joke she is a Dutch donkey .

I’m not trying to be argumentative, but I actually think the breed needs promoting as IME, they are wonderful, intelligent and knowing horses. I did caveat my suggestion of Kaiserdom being a potential stallion for the competent person, not just anyone looking to breed a pretty horse.

I agree with you. I had a largish Trakehner stud in the States and other than one stallion (who I didn’t use again) none of them could remotely be described as difficult temperament-wise. The “Trakehners are hot” thing comes from Germany where a lot of TB blood was introduced after WWII as half the original stock was left in Poland and they were considered “foreign”.

 

[photo_jo]

I would go ID or TB. I would also say as you are breeding for yourself choose a stallion who is actually producing what you want - ie offspring out there actively out doing the same job you want. Don't use an unproven sire, you don't know what you might get.

 

[LEC]

It’s just not my experience of Trakes. Take Abdullah. One of the best trakes ever. Bloody awful to deal with and has passed that onto his lines. Abdullah was so spooky they had to start with a pole on the floor. You see it in the Chillout progeny as well.
I have watched the Goddingtons over the years eventing…. And you either love the Oppositions or not. Tbf to the Oppositions they are nice horses but they have strong opinions. The Grafenstoltz on the ground are either untalented and fairly ok or talented and a pain in the bum and there are a lot of them about. Even Ros says Walter is Walter and has very strong opinions about some things. Windfall progeny seem to be fine, but probably don’t have the jump required for modern day sport though Tsesterleg proves they are hardy.

I just think they show up their heritage in being tough minded. Sure I have tarnished them with a big wide brush but I don’t ever recommend them and maybe the British have the Sporthorse ones who are trickier as talented.

 

[Annagain]

A friend has a Trakhener - when he's not injuring himself, he's injuring her. She's an ALN teacher and always says of him "if he was in my class, he'd have his own support worker". He is the worst combination of extremely sharp, not very bright and very demanding. His half sister (same sire but their dams are full sisters) is a delight!

As Asha said, Archie is retired now but has so many progeny. My friend's boy Oscar is by him and he has the loveliest temperament, kind and calm but naturally inquisitive. His old owner kept him entire until 4.5 and bred three foals by him before gelding him and selling him on. There will be lots of stallions by AAA out there - many ISHs which would probably suit your mare well. I'd do a bit of research on what is out there with him in their pedigree. His stock do tend to be a decent size though so a smaller one would be your best bet.

 

[hellybelly6]

It would appear that due to injury my ID mare is likely to be retired, we have one or two options left to try, but it now seems unlikely we will even get a light hacking horse, so I'm considering breeding a foal from her for myself, I would be hoping for a low level allrounder, with a focus on dressage and hacking, but still wanting to pop some smaller jumps, so not looking for a record breaker. My girl has upright hinds, so I'd look for a stallion to help improve this, but I would like something safe and sane at the end but with some good dressage potential. What would you all recommend breeding her with? I've thought about another ID, a TB, warmblood, PRE or maybe a Welsh D? I would ideally want something between around 15hh to 16.2hh no bigger. I'm sure there are other good ideas to. What would you pick and why?

TB!! I have a ID X TB and he’s the best. Amazing personality, good looks, strength whilst still being refined and athletic. Choose a stallion with the qualities you want and the conformation to complement your mare