Broken Horse, Sore Back? Something Else? Opinions Please

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My boy had been going well but started to do something strange with his back near hind. Almost like shiver but without the pulling/shiver part, only in his stable and didn't occur when ridden or during rein back. He wasn't lame and was still working well (we only school once a week in a lesson for 45 min) 20 min schooling a week on my own and the rest is hacking out, this all keeps him mentally in tune :D

Around June time I was running late and a friend of mine tacked up my horse. A few seconds after she had put his saddle on he went mad, bronking etc. She calmed him, started again and he was fine. The lesson was good etc and he showed no more signs of this until recently, which also coincided with the strange leg thing.
I decided to get him checked at the vet when one day I went to put the saddle on and he froze, and then trotted around me grunting when I put on his saddle.
I explained to the vet's what had happened so they kept him in overnight. After lunging him work up etc it was decided he was sound in front, but bilaterally lame, although try as I might I could not see this. There interpretation of his hind leg lameness was that on the lunge he was lazy behind?
Anyway, long story short :D They nerve blocked etc and found slight degeneration in his meniscus in his stifles. He was treated and came out the other side a new larger striding horse :) I was allowed to start back riding and work on muscle on his core to improve him etc.
I rode for 15 min in walk last Thursday and he was a good calm boy and all seemed well, however there was the niggle in my mind because when I'd tacked him up he grunted and definitely felt something when I put his saddle on?
Friday came and I decided to tack up outside the stable, all went well, no obvious discomfort when saddle was put on. I mounted did up my girth again and walked approx 4 steps when all hell let loose!!!! :EEK: :EEK:
He bronked and I went flying head first into concrete :( One broken hat and a trip to A& E later I rang the vets to tell them and he's now in again and having x-rays today

I just wondered this: I had his saddle four years ago, a year later it was rechecked and flocked. Then re flocked and checked this year by a different saddler. Although the vet has said his saddle looks ok (he bronked on the lunge for her yesterday when saddled) it could be pinching? My question is this, would a saddle that has been ok for the past four years, checked regularly by ''master saddlers'' have this much of an effect on a horse?
I do know horses change shape etc according to work load and that's why he's always had his saddle checked. I'm now doubting the last saddle fitters flocking/fitting?
Just thought there might be someone else out there with similar story?
 
Ooo ouch, poor you :( Hope you're OK

You would expect a pinching saddle to impead their gate, but not cause that reaction. Do you take the precautions that he could be cold-backed and therefore needs to be saddled in a much more precautouse and strategic way - walked around with a loose girth before tightening and always before getting on? Does he put his back up?

All his recations seem a bit extreme for either a pinching saddle/cold back, but then every horse is different. My plan of action would be to get his back checked asap!!
 
I think it is probably his back AND the saddle. Some horses will tell you they have a saddle fitting problem quite quietly - laying their ears back or pretending to have a wee. Sounds like he couldn't find a clearer way to tell you.

A horse changes shape continuously, which is part of the problem with saddles in general and treed saddles in particular. He may have been uncomfortable with it for months but it is jonly ust now that it is really causing him a problem.
 
Sometimes when a horse is carrying a problem, in his case the stifles, this causes a tightness in other parts, possibly also saddle related, once the main issue is resolved the secondary discomfort becomes the main issue and the reaction is total intolerance.Most horses are fairly stoic and often put up with several minor issues more easily than a single one.
I would get a physio or chiro to him and also get the saddle checked again.
 
Thanks for replies. vet has phoned to say she can't see anything on the x-rays as in Kissing spine. She has said I can do one of two things:
Can either send him to Liverpool to newmarket for further x-rays and bone scan which would use up the rest of my insurance, this way I will know 100%
Or:
get physio ('qualified' back person :D) and saddle checked (already booked in for 1st Nov) and see if this makes a difference.

Vet is obviously not going to commit to which option she would choose or say what I 'should' do but has suggested that he could have been having back pain due to his stifle problem, then this has been fixed and now his back is worse due to new movement from behind with aggrivated problem from muscle and or rider and saddle etc?
 
i know of a horse that had ulcers and would grunt and bronc when being tacked up ,personally i think youve got two issues going on- the cold back/ grunting / broncing -maybe could be a different issue to the stifle /lameness issue? could it be the stress of pain thats caused ulcers which is adding the new symptoms/ sorry just thinking out loud !:D
 
A pinching saddle can cause all sorts of reactions. It caused R to not track up and to spook, spin violently round and take off. I would ask the vet to take a really good look at his back.
 
A pinching saddle can cause all sorts of reactions. It caused R to not track up and to spook, spin violently round and take off. I would ask the vet to take a really good look at his back.

Now this is certainly an issue we've had. Terrible spooking since Feb then it settled then got worse again. He's always been a bit of a git to ride on certain days but it definitely got to a really bad point in feb this year. You could be right.

I've thought hard and think I will take him to Newmarket anyway, jsu to make sure. I can then work on getting a physio for him and saddle checked/new one if the vets find nothing.

Lets spend all theinsurance!! :eek: its roughtly £500 for the xrays and £1500 for the bone scan!!
 
Now this is certainly an issue we've had. Terrible spooking since Feb then it settled then got worse again. He's always been a bit of a git to ride on certain days but it definitely got to a really bad point in feb this year. You could be right.

I've thought hard and think I will take him to Newmarket anyway, jsu to make sure. I can then work on getting a physio for him and saddle checked/new one if the vets find nothing.

Lets spend all theinsurance!! :eek: its roughtly £500 for the xrays and £1500 for the bone scan!!

R's scintigraphy was clear but it did help as it eliminated other causes. In the end we got to the bottom of it by having the saddler out for two 3 hour sessions, trying every saddle under the world. It turned out that it was the middle of the gullet that was pinching a part of his spine that was a bit wider. This was better and worse with different saddles and you could see a change in his stride from the first couple of steps and then an immediate deterioration with another saddle. He liked a treeless saddle the best and has been ridden in it for the last four years with no problems.

It's good your insurance is covering all this, hope you get to the bottom of it all!
 
Thanks for replies. vet has phoned to say she can't see anything on the x-rays as in Kissing spine. She has said I can do one of two things:
Can either send him to Liverpool to newmarket for further x-rays and bone scan which would use up the rest of my insurance, this way I will know 100%
Or:
get physio ('qualified' back person :D) and saddle checked (already booked in for 1st Nov) and see if this makes a difference.

Vet is obviously not going to commit to which option she would choose or say what I 'should' do but has suggested that he could have been having back pain due to his stifle problem, then this has been fixed and now his back is worse due to new movement from behind with aggrivated problem from muscle and or rider and saddle etc?

I'd personally send him to Liverpool. Sometimes the xrays the vets take aren't always accurate.
 
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