BSJA final statement re doping (this is ridiculous!)

[Santa_Claus]

Ok BSJA have made statement to say there is also nothing in the BSJA rules that this woman can be disciplined for either!!!!

The statement is that the owners are responsible for all things fed for to their animals therefore if the blood tests come back positive the only people they can discipline are the owners.

This is absolutly crazy now, apparently there is more than enough proof but she can't be disciplined/charged for anything so gets off scott free and with an extra few ££ in her pocket after selling her story to the mail.

So yes people you can go feed dope to who evers horse you fancy (other than your own) with no comeback unless a human suffers injury!

Anyone else as horrified as I am about this?!

Katie

 

[Rambo]

This is outrageous quite frankly, and makes a mockery of our sport. God help us if THIS story makes the national press

 

[Santa_Claus]

the problem is it will, I got word of the statement from my mum after it was released directly to the press at about 2:30pm today!! I just can't believe though that this is the final outcome.

 

[lillie07]

WHAT A PI** TAKE!!

 

[eohippus]

Disgusted, totally. What a mockery of the whole competition system. The BSJA should really change their policies, I wonder if they get enough complaints and petitions that they will have to change their regulations or go along the same steps as the jockey club. Has she even been suspended from membership? does anyone know.
Glad I am not a member of the BSJA or I would seriously consider withdrawing as I would not like to participate in anything that condones such blatant cheating.
regards
Dawn

 

[airedale]

There may be a criminal act under criminal law - but I'm no lawyer. Certainly in horse racing someone feeding something to a racehorse can be criminally prosecuted.

I would imagine that there are grounds for Civil action along the lines of "recklass endangerment of a child's life"

I know if it was my kid and my horse I'd go after the woman for a criminal case first and then if hte Police won't do anything (as usual) I'd go for a civil action.

 

[Santa_Claus]

one thing that must be remembered is that this is Jersey law not English so there may be some slight differences there. Almost all English law is immediately copied to Jersey law but not all, so an offence under UK law may not be present under Jersey law but I don't know if that is the case in these circumstances.

Either way the outcome is the BSJA are claiming they can take no action and therefore she will not be suspended and is free to continue as a member!

 

[airedale]

I think the statement "avoid like the plague" will be applied to this woman when next she dares to appear at a show. She'll be ostracised by the horsey set and word will get round.

Must admit if I lived in Jersey I'd be guarding my horse the whole time it was at a show from now on

d**n ridiculous situation. If they hadn't realised that the horse had been doped it could have collapsed over a jump in the ring and the rider seriously injured. Sorry - but I'd take a civil action out against the woman if it was my horse.

 

[Santa_Claus]

I'm going to be interested to see if she turns up at the rerun of the show which is going to be next weekend. I'm in England but my mum will be up there no doubt as will most horsey people on the Island.

There is going to be a lot of bad feeling for a while without question as everyone knows everyone else horsey wise. Will be interesting to see what happens in England as they make several trips over each year.

 

[Rizz1a]

I haven't seen a statement saying there's nothing the BSJA can do. Where was it. The last statement I heard was that the BSJA were continuing to investigate.

 

[Santa_Claus]

the statement was released to the press by BSJA HQ at 2:30pm this afternoon. My mum works for the local paper who originally ran the story and rang me immediately afterwards hence why I know!

 

[Weezy]

STUNNED of Oxon

 

[PapaFrita]

Just a minute... have I got this right... If my horse accidentally gets a bit of bute from another horse´s bucket then I could get into serious trouble, but if some insane rosetty-hunting woman deliberately drugs my horse, she gets off scott free????
Helloooooo?? WTF is that all about???

 

[Santa_Claus]

exactly and so to clairfy she has not accepted payment for the story she has sold to the papers not that makes it in any way 'better' but least not making money from wrong doing although she is still protesting her innocence.

 

[SpruceRI]

What a load of tosh! Can't give your horse this substance or that because it's prohibited, but if some numpty drugs it and that action is witnessed, the owner gets the kybosh and the numpty gets off scot free? Join the BSJA? No thanks.

 

[Lord_Horatio_Nelson]

How ridiculous that she can't get away with it. When I first read the story, kind of reminded me of that French tennis father who doped his kids opponents in tennis tournaments. Tragically, one drove home after and was killed in an accident. He was prosecuted and jailed (i think). Granted no injury occurred here but it just could have!

 

[Tilly06]

Pathetic. I wonder, now this has been in the press and people are aware of it, how many horses and ponies will be looking a little "lethargic" before big competitions?? If one of the ponies say collapsed and hurts its owner or even worse killed them in some way, would she walk for that??? I hope she is segregated by the whole jumping community, she deserves it, nasty women....

 

[ihatework]

Absolutely bloody disgusting.
I have emailed BSJA and asked them to comment, be interesting if they do !
Certainly makes me glad that I'm not currently a BSJA member and I would think long and hard about joining an organisation who is, to all intents and purposes, condoning this sort of behaviour.

 

[Lobelia_Overhill]

AFAIK it's the FEI who have the "zero tolerance" ruling on drugs in horses and punish the rider not the person responsible for the horse being "doped"

David Broome was banned, fined and disqualified from a competition many many years ago when his horse failed a drugs test. Turned out at the factory where the feed was bagged up someone had spilt something on the feed, and David was the unlucky bugg*r who ended up with the contaminated feed in his yard, which ended up being fed to one of his international horses...

I'm strongly opposed to the idea of punishing the rider when someone else is responsible for a prohibited substance/performance enhancer ending up in a horse's system

 

[Puppy]

*speechless*

(for once

)

 

[Lord_Horatio_Nelson]

Happens in horse racing as well. The trainer, owner end up carrying the can despite it not being their fault.

 

[Lobelia_Overhill]

Yeah, I remember an incident where a girl groom gave the winner of a race a bite of a mars bar en route to the stables, where the horse had to provide a "sample" - it failed the dope test because there's something in mars bars that's a prohibited substance, fines, disqualifications etc ... completely mental

 

[Lord_Horatio_Nelson]

We had one where another horse in the yard was having treatment and some eejit gave the feed to the wrong horse. It was quickly noticed but not quick enough...

 

[the watcher]

[ QUOTE ]
There may be a criminal act under criminal law - but I'm no lawyer. Certainly in horse racing someone feeding something to a racehorse can be criminally prosecuted.

I would imagine that there are grounds for Civil action along the lines of "recklass endangerment of a child's life"

I know if it was my kid and my horse I'd go after the woman for a criminal case first and then if hte Police won't do anything (as usual) I'd go for a civil action.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would be considering something under the Criminal Damage Act, or whatever the jersey equivalent of that is..surprised they couldn't find anything to prosecute for

 

[Lobelia_Overhill]

I think (ie not a legal opinion) in Cian O'Connor's case the vet could have been charged with something as he'd used a drug that's illegal [law of the land] to use on animals. AFAIK nothing was done to anyone except Cian...

 

[Daffers]

Equestrian..... one of the few sports left that actually had a good reputation but no thanks to some big wigged male and females the sport has been dragged down to a low level like football athletics, etc. Makes you wonder what next they be saying bout it!

 

[MagicMelon]

What a joke. So people can get fined and displined for stealing something like a bridle from a BSJA event yet they are free to dope others horses?????

BSJA - get your act together!

 

[SJFAN]

I don't often defend the BSJA, but I believe the problem is that BSJA Jersey is autonomous and Jersey does not have the same law of the land as the UK.

 

[Santa_Claus]

true but still there is nothing in the BSJA England rules to say this is wrong (yet!) and they are associated strongly to BSJA Jersey even if seperate committees. Not sure what rule from the BSJA rules they are going to use though as on everything bar a few prize money and class heights etc as they are identical rule books but hopefully they will find something!

 

[Sal_E]

I would guess that the only 'proof' the BSJA can rely on is if the police prosecute - they can't really take the law into their own hands, can they? If they did, where do you draw the line? I would imagine that, if the police prosecute, they could then ban her.