Burghley 2022 Showjumping Thread

honetpot said:
They have ground jury vets, which include an FEI vet,I may be wrong but I think A Bathe was in the box on Wednesday, and there is a vet for treatment to event cover.
They had a lot of gaps to cover, the dressage looked sparse, so perhaps they were more lenient, who knows, but it's not a good look.
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Could you explain your last sentence please?

With respect to 'a vet for treatment to event cover' - do you mean vets to treat actual injuries, as opposed to FEI regulatory vets? The veterinary provisions for this at Burghley are an awful lot more than 'a vet'. There is a massive team working there, with top vets from all over the country. They are spread around the course (which is split into sectors) to provide wrap-around cover - for any incident a vet should be at the scene if not instantly then within a minute or two at most. There is also a 'hospital' team working at the veterinary centre at the stables. This, whilst obviously a temporary 'pop up' clinic for the event, is fully equipped with diagnostic equipment (radiography, ultrasound, scopes, blood testing facilities etc.), and has boxes for hospitalisation/fluids etc. Anything serious will be then transported from there by ambulance to hospital.

FEI Vets are either Official Veterinarians (regulatory - cover the trot-up, amongst other things), or Treating Veterinarians (cover injuries at the event, as detailed above).
 
The existing system of pre event and post XC trot ups on a hard surface under the eagle eye of the ground jury (highly experienced dressage judges) and a top vet, plus another highly experienced vet in the holding area, ought to work.

Why in 2022 a clearly lame horse was cleared to be able to SJ is a mystery. It is not at all surprising that he show jumped poorly. His round was most unpleasant to watch.

As has been said before, some leniency can be expected at the final trot up to allow for horses being tired, but they should not be lame.
 
Gamebird said:
Could you explain your last sentence please?

With respect to 'a vet for treatment to event cover' - do you mean vets to treat actual injuries, as opposed to FEI regulatory vets? The veterinary provisions for this at Burghley are an awful lot more than 'a vet'. There is a massive team working there, with top vets from all over the country. They are spread around the course (which is split into sectors) to provide wrap-around cover - for any incident a vet should be at the scene if not instantly then within a minute or two at most. There is also a 'hospital' team working at the veterinary centre at the stables. This, whilst obviously a temporary 'pop up' clinic for the event, is fully equipped with diagnostic equipment (radiography, ultrasound, scopes, blood testing facilities etc.), and has boxes for hospitalisation/fluids etc. Anything serious will be then transported from there by ambulance to hospital.

FEI Vets are either Official Veterinarians (regulatory - cover the trot-up, amongst other things), or Treating Veterinarians (cover injuries at the event, as detailed above).
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In the schedule it is explained what official cover is provided, but obviously that is the allocation of responsibility for the event. Someone commented about the competitors own vets being involved.
I am involved in human 'pop up' medicine, so I am well aware that there is a whole support system in the management and treatment of illness and injury, from supplies, appropriately trained staff, to risk management and risk assessments, of what if's of any event. Most of which the customer thankfully, neither knows or sees.
I was just surprised the about the cursory trot up, and it would be useful to know the criteria for soundness, and the criteria for testing it. The ones I saw that went into the box on Wednesday just had the limbs checked, which is perhaps OK because the first phrase is the dressage, and anything that is uneven is going to be penalised in the test marks. I think that anything that looks as if it could be nodding, or stiff behind, after the XC on presentation ought to be taken away and looked at properly, out of the pressure of the audience, and the decision being made in under ten minutes.
 
honetpot said:
In the schedule it is explained what official cover is provided, but obviously that is the allocation of responsibility for the event. Someone commented about the competitors own vets being involved.
I am involved in human 'pop up' medicine, so I am well aware that there is a whole support system in the management and treatment of illness and injury, from supplies, appropriately trained staff, to risk management and risk assessments, of what if's of any event. Most of which the customer thankfully, neither knows or sees.
I was just surprised the about the cursory trot up, and it would be useful to know the criteria for soundness, and the criteria for testing it. The ones I saw that went into the box on Wednesday just had the limbs checked, which is perhaps OK because the first phrase is the dressage, and anything that is uneven is going to be penalised in the test marks. I think that anything that looks as if it could be nodding, or stiff behind, after the XC on presentation ought to be taken away and looked at properly, out of the pressure of the audience, and the decision being made in under ten minutes.
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What are you expecting though, a full 5* work up?! It is a fitness to compete check, not a full lameness work up.

As for the holding box vet potentially being a competitor’s vet - given 5*s use the best vets around, it wouldn’t surprise me if competitors found their vet on site in an official capacity.

That said, fitness to compete may need looking at given the pressures on the sport… but I don’t think the 10 min box is an issue.
 
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I was with a 3 day event competitor once. Her horse gave one of the last fences on the cross country a whack and she had a big leg. The vet came to look at it and said there would be no long term harm to the horse to do the show jumping and complete the 3 days, as it was a bruise not a strain and would get better and wouldn't be made worse by a show jumping round.

So, the first hurdle was to get past the trot-up, which with advice from the vet we suceeded. Basically he said keep the horse moving, don't let it stand still and get stiff.

So it was sore, but it managed to go in and show jump, the rider got their completition and the horse recovered after a few days in the field and a bit of cold hosing.

This wasn't at a televised event, and things are perhaps tougher now, but the horse wouldn't have passed a vetting for instance.
 
Orangehorse said:
I was with a 3 day event competitor once. Her horse gave one of the last fences on the cross country a whack and she had a big leg. The vet came to look at it and said there would be no long term harm to the horse to do the show jumping and complete the 3 days, as it was a bruise not a strain and would get better and wouldn't be made worse by a show jumping round.

So, the first hurdle was to get past the trot-up, which with advice from the vet we suceeded. Basically he said keep the horse moving, don't let it stand still and get stiff.

So it was sore, but it managed to go in and show jump, the rider got their completition and the horse recovered after a few days in the field and a bit of cold hosing.

This wasn't at a televised event, and things are perhaps tougher now, but the horse wouldn't have passed a vetting for instance.
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Lots of horses are only just sound thanks to quite a bit of intervention (and sometimes equal discomfort on a pair/ all 4 legs) but when a horse trots up nodding lame and is allowed to continue, it makes you wonder if there's even a point to having the assessment.
 
Orangehorse said:
I was with a 3 day event competitor once. Her horse gave one of the last fences on the cross country a whack and she had a big leg. The vet came to look at it and said there would be no long term harm to the horse to do the show jumping and complete the 3 days, as it was a bruise not a strain and would get better and wouldn't be made worse by a show jumping round.

So, the first hurdle was to get past the trot-up, which with advice from the vet we suceeded. Basically he said keep the horse moving, don't let it stand still and get stiff.

So it was sore, but it managed to go in and show jump, the rider got their completition and the horse recovered after a few days in the field and a bit of cold hosing.

This wasn't at a televised event, and things are perhaps tougher now, but the horse wouldn't have passed a vetting for instance.
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I don't know how long ago this was but these days I hope the vet would know enough to say that although the bruise itself wouldn't last or cause any difficulties, that compensation for the bruise, especially if it got clunked on a fence, might well cause a secondary, and possibly serious, issue elsewhere.

I have heard before of horses at elite level iced and walked all night through in order to pass the trot up the next day.
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Gamebird said:
That can't happen any more. The event stables are closed overnight eg. 11pm-6am with no rider/groom access, to ensure the horses can rest. This has been in place for many years.
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Oh, that's good to hear. I hadn't realised that the practice was no longer permitted. The horses need to rest.

The continuous walking and icing through the night to get a horse to trot up sound post XC was mentioned in various eventing autographies.
 
I wonder how the horse presented in the show jumping warm up? Presumably there are stewards who would be looking out for unlevel horses?
 
I'm now distinctly peeved at finding on FB that one of those posh clothing companies for people with more money than sense is running a Best Dressed at the Burghley trot up competition for their sponsored riders.

Punters are supposed to vote for the pic of their fave best dressed combination. The winner (rider) gets £500.

One of the 9 entries is none other than the rider with the lame horse, albeit at the first trot up. Blearghh.

Even more reason to walk right on by their stall at events.
 
ycbm said:
I don't know how long ago this was but these days I hope the vet would know enough to say that although the bruise itself wouldn't last or cause any difficulties, that compensation for the bruise, especially if it got clunked on a fence, might well cause a secondary, and possibly serious, issue elsewhere.

I have heard before of horses at elite level iced and walked all night through in order to pass the trot up the next day.
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It was over 40 years ago at Bramham.

Yes, I've heard of horses being "worked on" for hours for them to pass the vetting. Glad to hear that this is not possible now.

I must say that our horse was NOT lame at the trot up, she was completely OK. She had had kaolin poultice on overnight and then it was hosed off in the morning, and then she was walked, so it wasn't drastic.
No ice boots in those days and I think that kaolin probably isn't used now.

She was Intermediate but unfortunately developed a problem in her foot the next season which couldn't be resolved.
 
Tiddlypom said:
I'm now distinctly peeved at finding on FB that one of those posh clothing companies for people with more money than sense is running a Best Dressed at the Burghley trot up competition for their sponsored riders.

Punters are supposed to vote for the pic of their fave best dressed combination. The winner (rider) gets £500.

One of the 9 entries is none other than the rider with the lame horse, albeit at the first trot up. Blearghh.

Even more reason to walk right on by their stall at events.
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Not sure how they would have explained leaving her off though!
 
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