LEC
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And Cooley Rosalents full sibling was 8th in BYEH 5yo class
Burghley thread
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LEC
Opinions are like bum holes, everyone has one.
I thought the riding was exceptionally good. There were very few ugly pictures and the ground jury was incredibly proactive. Sure, it was top Of the ground which helps but riders had made every attempt to get their horses fit and I thought Derek had done a wonderful course which was testing and flowing. The other thing I think is really interesting and Sam Watson alluded to this, with the change in the sport of horses breeding their is actually a lot less hardware in their mouths because the warmblood is more one paced. Only one horse stood out as really strong and that was Gelmer. Even Icarus who is really strong looked more rideable for him this year.
Mfh999
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Apart from Walter, for me, Topspin was the star. Haven't seen any eventing anywhere except Badminton on TV this year and they looked class; he just lobbed along like it was a PC event. He was the one I'd take home
RachelFerd
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Also interested to read that Sam Watson's stirrups outside broke. Looking at pics I think he was riding in the flex-on safety stirrups. I had the same thing happen to me with them riding around an intermediate track. It was horrible - have resigned them to my dressage saddle and will always tell people not to buy them as I don't think they're safe...
RachelFerd
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I watched a fascinating yard tour with Alice on piggy TV a few years ago. At one point he was so ditchy they dug big ditches in the entranceway to his field etc. so he had to deal with ditches every single day. Doesn't look ditchy now
SEL
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I saw one go in a unaffiliated dressage warm up arena - pony did a nasty spook which the kid did a grand job of sitting, only to sort herself out and realise the stirrup mechanism had triggered. I have a non safety flex-on and had thought about the safety version until I saw that happen.
Mfh999
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I have to be honest, had never heard of her or the horse but I loved their partnership and top marks to them for dealing with the ditch dragons; no stone unturned and all that.I watched a fascinating yard tour with Alice on piggy TV a few years ago. At one point he was so ditchy they dug big ditches in the entranceway to his field etc. so he had to deal with ditches every single day. Doesn't look ditchy now
teapot
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Topsin's a home bred, was bred by Alice's mum and has been pretty consistent at 4 and 5* level https://www.britisheventing.com/about/people-and-horses/horse-profiles/TOPSPIN-77713
Mfh999
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Even better; both horse and jockey home produced!
Cloball
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I think Alice has mentioned in more than. 1 interview that topspin is the favourite child 
Eventinggeek
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And he still lives in the stable he was born in! He's always a real joy to watch.
rhino
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Six Recorded Warnings Handed Down at Defender Burghley - Eventing Nation - Three-Day Eventing News, Results, Videos, and Commentary
Updates to the list of FEI Warning Cards for Eventing were made following the conclusion of Defender Burghley CCI5* this past weekend. To that end, six Recorded Warnings have been handed down from the Ground
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6 warnings given. I do like how proactive Eventing is, sometimes the numbers on the sanctions list look scary but I’m not sure you can really compare between disciplines.
teapot
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Six Recorded Warnings Handed Down at Defender Burghley - Eventing Nation - Three-Day Eventing News, Results, Videos, and Commentary
Updates to the list of FEI Warning Cards for Eventing were made following the conclusion of Defender Burghley CCI5* this past weekend. To that end, six Recorded Warnings have been handed down from the Groundeventingnation.com
6 warnings given. I do like how proactive Eventing is, sometimes the numbers on the sanctions list look scary but I’m not sure you can really compare between disciplines.
Jack Mantel also got a warning at Scone two weeks ago, abuse of horse for that one.
iknowmyvalue
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Emma Thomas’ must have been for jumping up the step from a standstill as didn’t have issues anywhere else I don’t think? I didn’t even know that wasn’t allowed, but I can see how for a big solid fence that could be an issueSix Recorded Warnings Handed Down at Defender Burghley - Eventing Nation - Three-Day Eventing News, Results, Videos, and Commentary
Updates to the list of FEI Warning Cards for Eventing were made following the conclusion of Defender Burghley CCI5* this past weekend. To that end, six Recorded Warnings have been handed down from the Groundeventingnation.com
6 warnings given. I do like how proactive Eventing is, sometimes the numbers on the sanctions list look scary but I’m not sure you can really compare between disciplines.
rhino
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Increases the likelihood of rotational falls, the lack of forward momentum means the rider is unlikely to be thrown clear of the horse.
Interestingly enough, steps out of water were one of the highlighted ‘risk’ fences in a study by BE a few years ago.
DressageCob
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I liked elements of the cross country and there were elements I didn't like. I am purely a spectator; my evening limit is 90cm so I don't profess to have the balls or the skill to do Burghley myself.
I felt like some of the questions were unduly hard. There was far less scope to gallop and pop like you used to see in the parkland events. There were so many technical jumps. I find that less enjoyable to watch.
I did not like the riding of a couple of the riders. Gaspard was terrifying to watch, although he seemed secure. It just seemed to be a on wing and a prayer. Bird seemed unable to stay out of the saddle in between the fences and sat really heavy, and used the reins for balance several times on both horses. It wasn't nice to watch.
Elspeth was horrible to watch. She couldn't keep her balance and was running that horse so flat it was so nerve wracking to watch. She was terrifying in the Maltings. I couldn't believe she kept going after her poor horse crashed through the back rail of the oxer. Tordoff's horse from fence 21 onwards looked exhausted and every jump looked difficult for them. I was surprised they weren't pulled up until number 30.
I thought Topspin was an absolute star. there were a few points where he was left to sort things out and he gamely did every time. He's worth his weight in gold.
Ros was wonderful to watch. Harry Meade was pretty classy too. I enjoyed the show jumping as well. I missed the dressage this year, although I may catch up on Burghley TV eventually.
I felt like some of the questions were unduly hard. There was far less scope to gallop and pop like you used to see in the parkland events. There were so many technical jumps. I find that less enjoyable to watch.
I did not like the riding of a couple of the riders. Gaspard was terrifying to watch, although he seemed secure. It just seemed to be a on wing and a prayer. Bird seemed unable to stay out of the saddle in between the fences and sat really heavy, and used the reins for balance several times on both horses. It wasn't nice to watch.
Elspeth was horrible to watch. She couldn't keep her balance and was running that horse so flat it was so nerve wracking to watch. She was terrifying in the Maltings. I couldn't believe she kept going after her poor horse crashed through the back rail of the oxer. Tordoff's horse from fence 21 onwards looked exhausted and every jump looked difficult for them. I was surprised they weren't pulled up until number 30.
I thought Topspin was an absolute star. there were a few points where he was left to sort things out and he gamely did every time. He's worth his weight in gold.
Ros was wonderful to watch. Harry Meade was pretty classy too. I enjoyed the show jumping as well. I missed the dressage this year, although I may catch up on Burghley TV eventually.
St Nicnaclaus
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Great to see FEI are taking horse welfare seriously but that list is quite eye opening.
Some reasons such as Pippa seem quite innocuous but anything that could endanger horse, rider or public needs to be sanctioned.
Some reasons such as Pippa seem quite innocuous but anything that could endanger horse, rider or public needs to be sanctioned.
Tiddlypom
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It’s in the BE rules somewhere, although appreciate that Burghley is under FEI rules.
I went to a BE FJ training day in which this came up, and the TD explained that there a very low height limit (maybe 15cm ish?) in which a rider is permitted to get the horse to jump from a standstill without penalty. So pretty much just a plain ditch or one with a small log in front, such as you might see at grassroots level. Otherwise jumping from a standstill is penalised. Forgotten if it’s something to be radioed in if noted or not.
That was a big question for Icarus to be asked to jump from a standstill, he was confused, so in retrospect glad she got a warning.
ETA It is good that those combinations were stopped on course, but agree that that some got nearly to the end of the course before being flagged down and they IMHO should have been stopped earlier. Still, it is progress and shows that the GJ are keeping a watch.
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Marshpiper
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I fence judge most weekends during the season…The “trying to jump” from a standstill is one of the scariest things…
I always shout really loudly if I can see that is what they are going to do after coming to a stop, as in loud shout of “first refusal” followed by “do NOT jump from standstill” if I can see that is on their mind….
I was backed up by a steward at the weekend who also felt it is definitely a complete No No…
It’s simple if you are at an upright jump…
Eventinggeek
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Honestly not surprised to see Emma Hyslop-Webb on the list....Her XC rounds never look comfortable.
Northern Hare
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Thanks for the link! I watched on the livestream and was impressed at how proactively the GJ implemented the red flag pulling up of apparently tired/struggling horses.Six Recorded Warnings Handed Down at Defender Burghley - Eventing Nation - Three-Day Eventing News, Results, Videos, and Commentary
Updates to the list of FEI Warning Cards for Eventing were made following the conclusion of Defender Burghley CCI5* this past weekend. To that end, six Recorded Warnings have been handed down from the Groundeventingnation.com
6 warnings given. I do like how proactive Eventing is, sometimes the numbers on the sanctions list look scary but I’m not sure you can really compare between disciplines.
It wasn't many years ago that there were some very nasty and preventable horse falls at the end of some 5* XC's when the horse was too tired - but hopefully that will now be a thing of the past.
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myheartinahoofbeat
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Last time she did a 5* with him she went on social media to explain why it looked so bad, something to do with him being new to the level and her keeping the handbrake on. Obviously people had made comments however, she looked just as bad at Burghley.
ETA I could probably not even ride one side of him
nikkimariet
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Interesting but not unexpected update to the recorded FEI warnings list post Burghley…
Orangehorse
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There have been really bad accidents when horses were asked to jump from a standstill.
iknowmyvalue
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Yes, I can see why it’s very sensible to have it as a rule, and totally agree with it. just simply didn’t know it was one!