Can anyone help RSPCA identify those in this video?

It says on the comments that the horse is a 3yo.

I dont agree with this method at all. As stated in the other thread regarding this video, surely if the girl was standing at the horses side and not right in front of it she may be more successful? I've seen plenty of bad loaders in my time and feel that there are better ways of dealing with this then electrocuting them!
 
darkhorse123 said:
really? good - who would do it on their horses????
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I cant comprehend someone who thinks 'my horse wont load- wheres the cattle prod' :confused: The thought wouldnt even enter my head!! There are some crazy uneducated people out there, thats for sure. Another example of horsemanship gone AWOL
 
And again you stupid lot CATTLE PRODS ARE ILLEGAL. Anyone caught using them is a criminal offfence. You cann't not use them on cattle or anything else have been illegal for several years in this country.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
This place is bizarre at times.

Some people need to get out of the Shires and see some proper cruelty to get their knickers in a twist.

Sad really, what goes on and people pass by yet this video has us on a manhunt.
 
I have no idea whether it is legal or not? But I think the only possible justification for using one on a horse (not a cow - thay ARE totally different) is to get a horse out of a situation more distressing/dangerous than using the prod. If that makes sense. It is totally inappropriate in that video, the horse wasn't being an arse prior to being shocked, granted the handler had a hat on and had some nifty footwork but she was blocking the horse from loading to start with. The one doing the shocking was laughing. It is bullying, dominating and the ultimate quick fix. If you read the comment from the maker of the video they say the horse had only recently started playing up.

I don't care a jot who gets involved with identifying these people they either need some serious education or some kind of repurcussion to stop them doing this. It's obviously not the first time they did it and they looked to be enjoying it.

This is not the way to treat horses :(
 
I've seen worse TBH.

So I suppose it would have been acceptable if the animal was walloped with a carrot stick or had a parelli rope slapped around it's head??

The way it was loaded was not ideal, but the horse was loaded fairly quickly in the end, but then again I personally despise those flimsy little vehicles for travelling horses in - but that's a whole new can of worms isn't it??
 
Echo Bravo said:
And as Baked bean and several others know Cattle prods are ILLEGAL, so anyone caught using them are on a criminal charge.
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Where did you get that information from? I have just done a quick search of online UK shops, including ebay, who sell cattle prods in the UK. If they were illegal ebay would definately not be selling them, and I doubt the other online shops would be too.
 
amandap said:
Oh well, I'll leave the electric prods for you to play with and point at the RSPCA.
I can guess what many on this thread will be wanting in their Xmas stockings. :rolleyes: Wish I hadn't bothered posting it, I'm thoroughly depressed at the thought that this will have given some peeps 'ideas.' :(

H&H big lesson learned by me here.
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Don't be down, i'd like to think people wouldn't even consider getting one! I didn't think it was seriously cruel. but still is cruel in the sense that they are not bothering to take time to help the horse past it problems, there is no compassion. Just a quick jolt of pain.

Difficult loaders can be helped without the use of shocks.

:)
 
Stupid idiots! That girl didn't lead the horse to the box properly to start with, just turned and looked ai it. No wonder it didn't load. The cattle prod was totally un necessary .
 
Oh I find Hooligan popping up with a rabid comment quite funny! Anyway..after all that I got to watch the vid!! I think the mare was just trying it on,and quite quickly thought it was a far better idea to load as she had always done before.
I have seen "loadings" many times worse than this,and prolonged into as much as an hour as well,in fact one was a mare I was returning (it spun and bolted as a habit)Watching the dealer loading her almost had me in tears,and it was then I realised why she was so terrifyed by any whip around her.SO..this mare..what I would really like to know is..does she now load easily as before??
No, I have no desire to use a prod on anything,just interested.
 
I've googled and found the statement "cattle prods are illegal for people who are not dealing with livestock", so you can't use them on the annoying yobs in your street, but fine on cattle.

Ets. I remember watching a parelli type attempt at loading a horse into a trailer, now that was painful to watch, went on for ages and the poor horse had no idea what was wanted of it. Oh and dobiegirl, thanks for the tip for hosing before letting horse to electrice fence, it might just keep Murph off our hay field, I currently have double electric fence, 4' high and 4' wide, and the swine still keeps appearing the wrong side of it.
 
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Well the Trading standards person that came to check over my books, several years ago asked if I had a cattle prod I said no good he said cause they'd been banned and I could have a hefty fine if caught using one,seeing I had only 3 cows who never went anywhere and my pigs I trained to go into trailer 3 weeks before they went for slaughter. My next door neighbour had 3 bullocks that had to go for slaughter and incineration at the BSE crisis, the haulier used one on them to get into lorry, said not to say anything as they had been banned and he could get into serious trouble and no he didn't use them on their balls.
 
I personally would not resort to a cattle prod, but then I do understand some of the comments saying it is no worse than a shock from an electric fence. My main observation is that the horse never seems to be putting up much resistance, and hence the response is way too harsh for the action. It also made me think about my mare who now loads like a peach, but she was the most resistant cow.

Prior to this I sent her away, she was great to lunge but whilst away at a professional trainers yard had an accident and came back petrified of the lunge line and would bolt if lunged when she saw the line catch in the wind. We never touched her, or hurt her, to train her to load we made a 3 gate coral with the trailer at the other end and walked her in with a line behind her, after that we used to park by a hedge at shows and if she tried to query going in, out came the lunge on the other side of the trailer, she would only have to see the lunge and she would walk in.

I then asked myself, with the relatively little pain that the horse would receive from a prod, it is more psychological pain from that that upsets me... was I any better?? :(
 
Honestly it wasn't nice to watch and unnecessary but a lot worse things are going on. (That doesn't make this okay though.) The RSPCA could probably spend their time better on something else but of course that wouldn't give them enough public attention to actually do something useful.
 
bakedbean said:
no they are not...it is frowned upon if used on genitalia..but not illegal
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luckily I dont own one, but now youve planted the thought,. oh how id of prodded ones x jsut for amusement..


talking of bad loaders ive got a chap that could do with the treatment!

to everyone else. TBH id rather see this method then egits pulling, poking and hitting 3 low voltage shocks or a hiding and beng jabbed about... umm
 
GeeGeeboy said:
Stupid idiots! That girl didn't lead the horse to the box properly to start with, just turned and looked ai it. No wonder it didn't load. The cattle prod was totally un necessary .
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thats the bit i found uncomfortable but then i don't know the horses history but it seemed to me to only start 'jumping on their heads' after it got shocked. Also the attitude of the 2 girls who IMHO could't wait to get the cattle prod out without even trying to get the horse to load and then being incredibly proud of themselves and posting it on youtube in order to get some sort of applause?! they seemed rather to pleased at inflicting pain on a young horse
 
Didn't look that bad to me, and it worked, as others say, next time it will only have to see the stick to load, she didn't overuse it, only critisism is she should have had a hat on.
 
There's only half as many batteries in a cattle prod as your smallest electric fence generator... as an FYI!

I've used one, on sheep, who are stupid creatures at best. Didn't really achieve much it has to be said.

I don't understand how it's okay to plug your fence into the mains and shock your horse but hideously cruel to jab it with two 6v batteries..

I mean, dude, is this a textbook case of detatchment from the causality of the pain and suffering electric fences cause or what!!!!
Turning it on means you ARE responsible for causing your horse pain!!!!
(And tbh, I'm happy to do so if it keeps everyone in the right fields!)
 
Serenity087 said:
There's only half as many batteries in a cattle prod as your smallest electric fence generator... as an FYI!

I've used one, on sheep, who are stupid creatures at best. Didn't really achieve much it has to be said.

I don't understand how it's okay to plug your fence into the mains and shock your horse but hideously cruel to jab it with two 6v batteries..

I mean, dude, is this a textbook case of detatchment from the causality of the pain and suffering electric fences cause or what!!!!
Turning it on means you ARE responsible for causing your horse pain!!!!
(And tbh, I'm happy to do so if it keeps everyone in the right fields!)
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Again, a horse can choose to stay away from a fence.
 
The difference with electric fence is the horse is inflicting the shock on themselves, they know if they touched it they get shocked, whereas with a cattle prod the pain is inflicted directly by the person whether it is the horses fault or not.
 
Serenity087 said:
There's only half as many batteries in a cattle prod as your smallest electric fence generator... as an FYI!

I've used one, on sheep, who are stupid creatures at best. Didn't really achieve much it has to be said.

I don't understand how it's okay to plug your fence into the mains and shock your horse but hideously cruel to jab it with two 6v batteries..

I mean, dude, is this a textbook case of detatchment from the causality of the pain and suffering electric fences cause or what!!!!
Turning it on means you ARE responsible for causing your horse pain!!!!
(And tbh, I'm happy to do so if it keeps everyone in the right fields!)
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and who on here with your background would take anything you had to say seriously ????
 
Pedantic said:
Didn't look that bad to me, and it worked, as others say, next time it will only have to see the stick to load, she didn't overuse it, only critisism is she should have had a hat on.
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If she was going to use the stick, she should not have used it when the horse was about to go in of its own accord, rather she should have used it when the horse had misbehaved.

All it achieved was the horse associated wanting to load with being zapped. Watch his ears they tell the story. She didn't over use it, but I don't think it was necessary in the first place when there are many other substitutes :/

But again, there are worse cases for the RSPCA to deal with.
 
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