Can we organise a boycott of the RSPCA?

To me, the breach of confidence, even though I said I was calling from the adjoining business where members of the public shopped so could have been anyone, I had asked to remain anonymous, is totally unacceptable. When you make a report, in a place in which you keep your animals, no matter how well intentioned (had been down the YO trying to get her to turn up etc, it never worked), that could have place me & my animals in serious jeapordy & risk of physical violence (YO was unstable, professional opion not mine). You try to help an animal, you expect the 'emergency service' to repect your request. I would never take the risk again, period.

I expected them to follow up, not the owner waiving pontificating that he was fine & they weren't coming agian (point YO also made, so said to both of them). Vet was an idiot. I do expect the officer to use some nouse & do follow up calls. I also expect them to check the rest of the stock to make sure not just a one off (never saw rest of liveries). Maybe even talk to us on the qt & ask what owner like. If officer not satisfied with vets decision to query it. This horse was so bad he was one week of dying, you don't need a vet certificate to tell you he isn't going to survive another winter out. It was just so farsical. I never want to be involved in a situation like it again.


Why the vitriol, because it was horrific finding him lying in the churned up filth he'd been in all night. I took the abuse from the owner for getting her to come down, calling a vet etc. I was the one who did the honest thing to try & help a suffering animal. I was let down, but most of all that poor soul was who had his last horrific night on earth.
 
pip6 said:
I had experience of them once, not a friend of a friend but me, personally.

I called anonomously regarding a skin/bone elderly horse at the livery yard whose owner didn't appear for weeks on end, only fed him when she could steal food from other people. Winter was coming on, he looked dreadful. They turned up, YO was furious (which is why I witheld my name & number despite them trying very hard to get it out of me promising it would be TOTALLY confidential - bo11ocks it was). Officer SHOWED him the contact details (were printed on the sheet he was carrying) - was listed as coming from a business next door - I lied.

Not sure about the RSPCA but can cofirm the SSPCA will never give complainers details. Did you actually see the sheet, id be surprised if it was actually printed on any sheet which was taken on the visit to the animal

Agreed pony poor, arranged another visit for owner to be there & vet. All turned up, vet pronounced pony (who only ever was given canvas rug to wear & lived out 24/7) fit to go through another winter, finished. Week later pony dead, owner hadn't been seen again, I rang her to tell her to get her butte over to the yard as I found him & he was dying. Said I'd also called vet to PTS (got abuse for that, what did I know). Poor mite was in the most awful way, in agony, had been struggling on the ground all night, tangled in rug. Owner breezes across field swinging headcollar 'he's just having a rest, he'll get up for me'. In the intervening time we'd got the rug off him & covered him in our warm, dry ones to make him a little more comfy, had no energy or will to struggle by this point. Vet arrived told her PTS now, no option. She should have been prosecuted.

Good on the inspector to get the vet out I bet he was hoping vet would agree pony was very poor. An inspector can not overule a vets decision, if vet says its fit to go through winter the inspector has to walk away. Its a very frustrating situation for complainer AND inspector

You report it, they give out confidential info, then dismiss it despite pony in very poor state (near to death in fact - only 1 week away) & believe the owner! As if she was ever going to tell them the truth! Wish I could have videoed what went on & sent it to them as an example of their incomeptance. Would never call them again.
Perhaps you should be putting your efforts into condemning the vet who labeled him fit to go through another winter

Also wont give to WWf as woman at our yard paid obscene amount by them to be a fundraiser & given company cars that very definately weren't green (first one huge bmw, second one top of the range engine bells & whistle vw golf!). Thought they were meant to spend the money given on projects to save wildlife.....
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pip6 I totally get why your upset by this case I would be too, however it seems that the vet was as much to blame as the RSPCA officer, serious mistakes were made that cost the ponies life, however one persons or two in this case with the vet should not damn the RSPCA for evermore.
 
I have had reason to call the RSPCA out on several occasions in the last few years. I walk my dogs off the beaten track and have seen cattle and sheep suffering in fields that would not normally be seen by the public. I have no idea who farms the animals so who else to contact?

They have, in my personal experience been fantastic in getting the animals treated/removed where possible and have given me updates in all cases.

Also if anyone remembers the Carrot and Spud case, thier hands were massively tied and they were also in that case overuled by the vet who declared them 'fit' and therefore were not able to be removed for some time.

I happily donate to them monthly and will continue to do so thanks :)
 
glitterbug said:
pip6 I totally get why your upset by this case I would be too, however it seems that the vet was as much to blame as the RSPCA officer, serious mistakes were made that cost the ponies life, however one persons or two in this case with the vet should not damn the RSPCA for evermore.
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As I said im my last reply if a vet deems the animal fit the SSPCA/RSPCA can do not a thing more, if the RSPCA/SSPCA persue checking on the animal they society can get into trouble for harrasment......isnt the law great!!!

Please dont put the blame on the societies its never black and white.

Recent human rights laws have made procecuting even harder, instead of the law making things better for animals in the Uk its making things worse. Giving the person who is neglecting/abusing the animal more ways to riggle out of what they have done.
 
I will never/have never donated to the rspca. I reported a neighbour to the rspca after a plea from a local paper, a dog had been found very near to my house and was so old/thin/poorly it had to be pts immediatley, i recognised the dog as my neighbours straight away, rang the rspca on the number given in the paper, they didnt have a clue what I was talking about, several other people that I knew of reported him, i gave them all his details but nothing ever came from it he should have been prosecuted but wasnt
 
sj_mad said:
I will never/have never donated to the rspca. I reported a neighbour to the rspca after a plea from a local paper, a dog had been found very near to my house and was so old/thin/poorly it had to be pts immediatley, i recognised the dog as my neighbours straight away, rang the rspca on the number given in the paper, they didnt have a clue what I was talking about, several other people that I knew of reported him, i gave them all his details but nothing ever came from it he should have been prosecuted but wasnt
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If a plea had been published in a local paper regarding who's dog it could have been it would have been inseted to the paper by the RSPCA in an attempt to find the owner to proscute.
 
I'm so pleased there is some support for the Inspectorate on here :)

It is an extremely stressful, red-tape-bound job, there are way too many animals to be as effective as you could be, the laws in this country are ridiculous, and idiots just continue to breed and bred. The burn-out rate in the job is quite high, sadly.

I encountered violence, got locked in a house, witnessed some things that haunt me in my dreams, and often felt a head/brick wall scenario. There are very few Inspectors in the country (400 atm ?), and trust me, one prosecution takes literally days of work just to sort out statements.

One example re animal laws not effective is hunting/enforcement/etc. Now that will set the cat among the proverbial ;) Sorry, but it's a fact.
 
friesian80 said:
May I ask where you get your info from because you are totally wrong. Apart from the police the RSPCA/SSPCA are the only organisations who can prosecute.
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Everyone in England and Wales has the right to bring a private prosecution against someone who they believe has committed an offence.

Section 6(1) of the Prosecution of Offences Act 1985.
 
friesian80 said:
May I ask where you get your info from because you are totally wrong. Apart from the police the RSPCA/SSPCA are the only organisations who can prosecute.
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Everyone in England and Wales has the right to bring a private prosecution against someone who they believe has committed an offence.

Section 6(1) of the Prosecution of Offences Act 1985.
 
friesian80 said:
Only the police, SSPCA,RSPCA can read someone their rights before charging them for an offence.
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Utter tosh! The RSPCA, along with any other animal welfare charity, bring private prosecutions in Magistrates court, the RSPCA cannot "read someone their rights", they are a charity, not a law enforcement agency. They have absolutely no "special powers", and no right of entry , unless they are accompanied by the police, and are only civilians in a "uniform".

Whilst they may try and gather evidence to support a case, they have no more power to read rights or demand information than you, cousin Fred, Auntie Daphne or the milkman have!
 
Maiko said:
Utter tosh! The RSPCA, along with any other animal welfare charity, bring private prosecutions in Magistrates court, the RSPCA cannot "read someone their rights", they are a charity, not a law enforcement agency. They have absolutely no "special powers", and no right of entry , unless they are accompanied by the police, and are only civilians in a "uniform".

Whilst they may try and gather evidence to support a case, they have no more power to read rights or demand information than you, cousin Fred, Auntie Daphne or the milkman have!
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Not entirely true. The Scottish SPCA have the same caution and charge procedures as the Police. The RSPCA is an English/Welsh animal charity, they do not have the powers to charge a person. They carry out private prosecutions.
 
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Maiko said:
Utter tosh! The RSPCA, along with any other animal welfare charity, bring private prosecutions in Magistrates court, the RSPCA cannot "read someone their rights", they are a charity, not a law enforcement agency. They have absolutely no "special powers", and no right of entry , unless they are accompanied by the police, and are only civilians in a "uniform".

Whilst they may try and gather evidence to support a case, they have no more power to read rights or demand information than you, cousin Fred, Auntie Daphne or the milkman have!
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Look into it before you type, ;)
 
Whilst I agree that some of their procedures need updating. I don't personally have a huge problem with them, in fact I know several animals that they have helped. I wonder what the ratio is when taking the number of cases they have helped, to those they haven't. (and of course it is an utter shame when animals are not helped)

But I don't agree with their lavish annual balls or dinners or whatever they have. That is money better spent elsewhere.
 
While there are many things about the RSPCA that I find frustrating and often incomprehensible I think that boycotting an organisation that tries to improve the welfare of animals is a bit perverse. They do do some very good work and many animals would be worse off without them. Just a shame the organisation seems to shoot itself in the foot all the time.
 
Maybe the Scottish SPCA is different but i got my horse from them and they took good care to make sure he went to the right home, without being unrealistic like TRC and WHW are, and have checked since (without being a nuisaunce) that he and i are both happy, i had a good experience and would re-home from them again
 
Sarah sum1 said:
Whilst I agree that some of their procedures need updating. I don't personally have a huge problem with them, in fact I know several animals that they have helped. I wonder what the ratio is when taking the number of cases they have helped, to those they haven't. (and of course it is an utter shame when animals are not helped)

But I don't agree with their lavish annual balls or dinners or whatever they have. That is money better spent elsewhere.
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SSPCA have scrapped all dinners and annual balls.
This is not down to the fact the society has fallen on hard times its just becausee the money can be used in other more productive areas ;)
 
friesian80 said:
SSPCA have scrapped all dinners and annual balls.
This is not down to the fact the society has fallen on hard times its just becausee the money can be used in other more productive areas ;)
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Like the decorating allowance for housing that they supply to some of their Inspectors and housing allowance for those who own/rent their own house ;)
Anyway, you always had to pay for the annual balls and dinner dances.
 
blackbess said:
Like the decorating allowance for housing that they supply to some of their Inspectors and housing allowance for those who own/rent their own house ;)
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Lol not in my area!
SSPCA used to supply their inspectors with a house (not rent free!) if they were sent a long distance to where they stayed (not sure of the rent/decor etc) but that has also all been scrapped ;)

Anyway was this thread not about an elephant??? :D
 
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friesian80 said:
Lol not in my area!
SSPCA ussed to supply their inspectors with a house (not rent free!) if they were sent a long distance to where they stayed (not sure of the rent/decor etc) but that has also all been scrapped ;)
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They still do for certain Inspectors and yes it is rent free. Oh and you don't have to pay council tax either. New Inspectors have to find their own accomodation though, they get housing allowance and their council tax paid too. The Islands are not exempt, the get single man/post allowances, just ask Ron ;)

All charities are the same, they squander loads of money.
 
blackbess said:
They still do for certain Inspectors and yes it is rent free. Oh and you don't have to pay council tax either. New Inspectors have to find their own accomodation though, they get housing allowance and their council tax paid too. The Islands are not exempt, the get single man/post allowances, just ask Ron ;)

All charities are the same, they squander loads of money.
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Its not rent free it gets deducted from the wage, just like a council worker who lives in a council house ;)

You interege me BB but Ill not speak of individuals on the open forum so will stop there, PM me if you want :)
 
friesian80 said:
You interege me BB :)
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I'm sure I do, lol. Thats the fun part of a forum, you never know who is on them or what they do for a living :)

The Scottish SPCA are great. They have very professional Inspectors, Its a shame about their crap upper managenent though. To many chiefs and not enough Indians as they say ;)
 
Jimbol said:
yeah stop funding to something good because you do not think it is doing enough good duh.... if you do not like how something operates get involved and make yourself heard, at the same time you will help some animals.
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Excellent point

I am reading some very naive opinions on this thread. I have worked with the RSPCA on an operational level with several cases and always found them to be excellent. The problem is most cases are not black and white. They do not have automatic power of entry to properties and every action has to be justified and acountable. They have to consider the legal and logistical implications of any seizure - I mean, its not easy to rehome an elephant. If they take an animal in or proceed with a court case they have to be certain they wont loose the case or have to return the animal. Money is scarce and has to be utilised for the greater good - that p****s some people off - thats life.
 
I have not read all this thread but thought I would post as one of my close friends is a rspca inspector. She works constantly and is inendated with calls and issues of injured animals and people being horrible to their own animals.

The job is bound by so much govermental red tape. That they hate as much as you and I. An animal has to be in a real ongoing mess before they can seize it. There are so many cases that they can barely keep up with them all. The cases just stack up and the old cases take months of work to prosocute. I believe they are doing the best they can. Up against total s***s that shouldnt be allowed anywhere near a animal.

Its also helping with wildlife. My friend was called out 4 times last night to deers that had been hit by cars and needed to be pts (well 3 of them) Should those animals just be left to die on the side of the road? Should other injured wildlife just be left. Is that what you would want for a animal of yours? Or would you want them to be fixed if they could be?

There will always be cases where they may of not been able to do anything, or possible mistakes made but what about all the cases they can do something. How many animals are in a better situation than they were?

I cant see how anyone on here could think they are not worth donating too.

Perfect, probably not, but in all fairness what in the world is? But the inspectors out on the ground are trying to do the best they can, in a world where they cant just seize animals and prosocute their ratbag owners just like that.

Tbh, I think this thread is quite a insult to what they are trying to do
 
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