Can you get a horse rebranded?

[cptrayes]

We had an oldenburg foal branded a few years ago and I have to say he reacted far more to the microchip than the brand. Even then I'd never consider getting a brand re-done on an adult horse and I don't think there's a need to brand foals any more.

Which was done first?

 

[Nightmare before Christmas]

I could say the same about you.
The majoirty of stud books require foals to be branded upon inspection.

Yes thats why I wanted it redone so he is correct to his description and number in his passport and with the oldenburg studbook

 

[Nightmare before Christmas]

NBC does his passport differe then? as i would say you have the wrong passport....

Its got the brand stamp and number and its signed. You can kinda see a mark in his fur and a small scar but nothing much. Its very very faint you have to look to see it but cant make out the full picture if that makes sense. I dont think wrong passport as all his marking, black dots on socks and whirls match up.

I am not that bothered I just wondered

He also has a bit scar on his back leg and flank that was treated in 2010 and he has tet which is also in there for 2010 so passport def matches horse!

 

[Buds_mum]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNG_9YNHelE

Look at that little foals face. Do you really think this is morally right?

Are you truly saying that is the same as hot shoeing and acceptable?

The exmoors are put through far too much in this instance but even once isn't right

 

[PapaFrita]

Have you had a burn that deep and felt what happens when the nerves regrow?

Why on earth would a horse feel it any differently from us? I suppose it helps justify burning horses if you can convince yourself that they don't feel it like we do

And you accuse ME of assumptions? Nerve damage is often permanent, therefore NO pain. Like I said, I just don't think branding is such a big deal. If the only objection you have is the pain it causes then we should reconsider microchips and vaccinations (for some horses), pulling manes and tails, treating nasty wounds.... and at least brands are very visible and don't require electronics.

 

[Nightmare before Christmas]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNG_9YNHelE

Look at that little foals face. Do you really think this is morally right?

Are you truly saying that is the same as hot shoeing and acceptable?

The exmoors are put through far too much in this instance but even once isn't right

I didnt say it was the same im not that daft, If you have been around horses that have been branded sometimes being hot shod upsets them. I am saying mine is hot shod and is fine so he isnt that traumatized!

I thought this was common knowledge

 

[Nightmare before Christmas]

Does every post have to turn unpleasant?

To be fair watching everyones opinion is quite interesting

 

[PapaFrita]

Does every post have to turn unpleasant?

I wish people would do a bit of research before wading in, but that's just HHO I guess...

 

[SusieT]

I assume he has a microchip to identify him also?
the idea that horses that don't react aren't feeling it is incorrect. It is actually that they are frozen with the situation. Often done as foals who as we all know will just drop tools and floor themselves etc. so rather than reacting will just freeze.
I certainly wouldn't want to be standing beside a 5yr old being branded as they can kick a lot harder and wouldn't want to deal with him afterwards as they are much more prone to remembering things when they aren't just babies.
Freeze brand him if you must- but I realise that wouldn't look as 'nice'.
Try not to break this one as well eh?

 

[ReadySaltedPeanuts]

Try not to break this one as well eh?

What a snide little comment to make.

 

[Spring Feather]

As the topic has slightly gone a bit awol I can give my experiences of hot branding, freeze branding and microchipping.

Hot branding. I don't know how many foals and mature horses I've seen branded at WB inspections, but it's been a lot over the years. I've never seen a foal react at all and I've never seen a mature horse react. The only horse I saw jump was a late yearling.

Freeze branding. I've only seen about 20 or 30 horses freeze branded. Approximately a third of those horses did react; one almost hit the roof!

Microchipping. Again I've seen a lot of horses/foals being microchipped. I'd say in my experience it has been a 75/25 split of those who reacted to those who stood there grinning and bearing it.

I know quite a few people who have very strong opinions on these 3 methods of identification, interestingly a lot of those people have never seen any of them done. That's okay, they are welcome to their opinions, as am I and I've seen them all done so I tend to go by my own experiences of things rather than rely on hearsay or my imagination.

 

[Rebels]

^^^ Nasty! Someone has a musing, asks a question, people don't agree, fine. I don't think NBC is going to be firing up the barbecue this second, it was only a question!

 

[Rebels]

On phone, meant for SusieT

 

[Zargon_91]

I assume he has a microchip to identify him also?
the idea that horses that don't react aren't feeling it is incorrect. It is actually that they are frozen with the situation. Often done as foals who as we all know will just drop tools and floor themselves etc. so rather than reacting will just freeze.
I certainly wouldn't want to be standing beside a 5yr old being branded as they can kick a lot harder and wouldn't want to deal with him afterwards as they are much more prone to remembering things when they aren't just babies.
Freeze brand him if you must- but I realise that wouldn't look as 'nice'.
Try not to break this one as well eh?

You absolute nasty piece of work. Go play in traffic.

 

[Cinnamontoast]

Try not to break this one as well eh?

Jesus, meow How bloody rude, no need.

 

[Nightmare before Christmas]

I assume he has a microchip to identify him also?
the idea that horses that don't react aren't feeling it is incorrect. It is actually that they are frozen with the situation. Often done as foals who as we all know will just drop tools and floor themselves etc. so rather than reacting will just freeze.
I certainly wouldn't want to be standing beside a 5yr old being branded as they can kick a lot harder and wouldn't want to deal with him afterwards as they are much more prone to remembering things when they aren't just babies.
Freeze brand him if you must- but I realise that wouldn't look as 'nice'.
Try not to break this one as well eh?

Would you like to talk to Sue Dyson about the abnormalities found in my horses fores? She can give you the full work up investigation details that in total cost over 6k! He had underlying issues that lead to his injury that would have been triggered in a field not only by jumping!

I did not break my horse I cared for him well and he meant a lot to me! I miss him everyday.

 

[ReadySaltedPeanuts]

Would you like to talk to Sue Dyson about the abnormalities found in my horses fores? She can give you the full work up investigation details that in total cost over 6k! He had underlying issues that lead to his injury that would have been triggered in a field not only by jumping!

I did not break my horse I cared for him well and he meant a lot to me! I miss him everyday.

Ignore her, Comments like that are not even worth reading, let alone replying too!!

Just seen the thread with the pictures of your new boy - He is beautiful!

 

[Nightmare before Christmas]

Ignore her, Comments like that are not even worth reading, let alone replying too!!

Just seen the thread with the pictures of your new boy - He is beautiful!

Thanks he is stunning, I am very very skint now though!

I know I hate people thinking bad of me though. I like to give the whole story and give people clear information

 

[Zargon_91]

I agree with RSP, but completely understand NBC will want to stand up for herself. Its a brave thing to do, let a horse go to sleep for his sake when you know full well its going to be controversial. Snide remarks are the last thing needed. PS, i LOVE your donkeys

 

[Nightmare before Christmas]

I agree with RSP, but completely understand NBC will want to stand up for herself. Its a brave thing to do, let a horse go to sleep for his sake when you know full well its going to be controversial. Snide remarks are the last thing needed. PS, i LOVE your donkeys

Anyone with a horse with his issues I am sure would have done the same thing. People dont keep horses lame and in pain with degenerative issues! Its a no brainer


I love the donkeys too!

 

[ReadySaltedPeanuts]

Thanks he is stunning, I am very very skint now though!

I know I hate people thinking bad of me though. I like to give the whole story and give people clear information

I bet!

Its not worth explaining to people who write things like that (Not that you need to justify your actions, you know what is best for the horse!), they will always try and find fault with everything and anything you do!

 

[ReadySaltedPeanuts]

Everybody loves donkeys!!

 

[Pearlsasinger]

I didnt say it was the same im not that daft, If you have been around horses that have been branded sometimes being hot shod upsets them. I am saying mine is hot shod and is fine so he isnt that traumatized!

I thought this was common knowledge

So why do you think that a 2nd branding wouldn't bother him? Just becasue you don't think the 1st one did?
My Westphalian's brand is very indistinct most of the time, in fact I'd had her for 6 months before I saw it. In her summer coat, if she is wet, it is visible and matches her passport. I often wonder how she can be so trusting of people when she was obviously burned 3 times as foal, I certainly wouldn't want to redo it and tbh, I would expect that it is almost impossible to get the irons in the right place, on top of the original mark.

 

[Nightmare before Christmas]

So why do you think that a 2nd branding wouldn't bother him? Just becasue you don't think the 1st one did?
My Westphalian's brand is very indistinct most of the time, in fact I'd had her for 6 months before I saw it. In her summer coat, if she is wet, it is visible and matches her passport. I often wonder how she can be so trusting of people when she was obviously burned 3 times as foal, I certainly wouldn't want to redo it and tbh, I would expect that it is almost impossible to get the irons in the right place, on top of the original mark.

I wouldnt be rushing into it, hes has a short fluffy coat, will see what hes like in summer and wet ect and see if I can see it better.

I was wondering more than anything its not a massive deal I just wanted to know

Being in pain for life and pain for a brand is very different though

 

[Cortez]

Just to throw in a little bit of experience to this rather OTT emotive mix. I am a registered brander for the American Trakehner Society, attended their training courses, and have branded over 100 foals (and assorted older horses from 1 year - 10 years old), and attended approvals and brandings for other societies. Very few horses or foals react at all, and those that do are often more scared of the smoke than the feel (this is also why many horses are scared of burning on the shoe during hot shoeing). I have seen proportionally more horses react to freeze branding and microchipping. I also have a friend who had himself hot branded (with a rather attractive design; he's a bit mad), and he said that whilst it did hurt, it wasn't THAT bad - and remember that humans have a far greater sensitivity to pain. I accept that branding is a human imposition, but then so are many things that we do to horses, such as gelding, mane pulling, shoeing, riding etc.

 

[Nightmare before Christmas]

Just to throw in a little bit of experience to this rather OTT emotive mix. I am a registered brander for the American Trakehner Society, attended their training courses, and have branded over 100 foals (and assorted older horses from 1 year - 10 years old), and attended approvals and brandings for other societies. Very few horses or foals react at all, and those that do are often more scared of the smoke than the feel (this is also why many horses are scared of burning on the shoe during hot shoeing). I have seen proportionally more horses react to freeze branding and microchipping. I also have a friend who had himself hot branded (with a rather attractive design; he's a bit mad), and he said that whilst it did hurt, it wasn't THAT bad - and remember that humans have a far greater sensitivity to pain. I accept that branding is a human imposition, but then so are many things that we do to horses, such as gelding, mane pulling, shoeing, riding etc.

Thanks could you please PM me what you know about branding older horses and the regs for that please. If I dont reply its because I am mobile for a while

 

[burge]

I work in the laundry of a care home once a week (what is the relevance in this I hear you all ask ;-) ) and use one of those rotary industrial irons for the copious amounts of washed bedding. One day when I was in a hurry and head was not quite there I fed a sheet into the iron but didn't get it quite straight. Put my hands in to straighten it out and pressed the foot pedal before removing my hands!!!! I heard the hiss and the slight sizzling of my skin and pulled them out to be greated by blisters on the back of a couple of fingers (that was quick!). I stood there looking at them for a few seconds and couldn't quite comprehend why the resulting pain was not happening? So I ran them under cold water, slapped on some Sudocrem and carried on. They were just mildly uncomfortable and never caused me any real grief and healed easily and quickly. Thought this was probably similar to being branded? I once had a verucca 'frozen' off my foot and that took a lot longer and after the lovely initial cold feeling it was actually very painful and judging by my mares reaction when she was freeze branded she agreed and I at least had the experience of the pain so could sympathise!

 

[lpeacock]

My Oldenburg is branded and that too is difficult to read in the winter. maybe hold off till full summer coat as much easier to see, however the number isn't that clear but the Oldenburg symbol is.

 

[Nightmare before Christmas]

With some water and some other eyes we can make out a 6 and a bit of the 0. All hope is not lost

 

[GermanyJo]

Just for info, branding is not banned in Germany, did not get through the last step of process, have never heard of or seen a horse rebranded though, will check out a few German sites for you. As mentioned, you will probably see the brand better in the summer or when he is clipped