Can't believe it...A warning to you all.

Because PF quite frankly there are some people on here who so full of pure indulgent self gratification it makes me want to reach for the sick bowl.
EVERYONE and I mean everyone is entitled to an opinion on here and should not be shot down for speaking their mind.
I can think of quite a few on here who have got away with talking to other users on here as though they were shite over the years.
I see nothing has changed then.
Gosh you people are so full of [****] with your incorrect assumptions of others and what they are trying to say. It makes me laugh it truly does.
If half the opinionated people on here were so great with horses and so 'in the know' don't you think they would be spending more time with their dear horses than frittering away their lives on a forum like this!
That's why I know plenty of 'true' horse people that don't go on forums (and even the internet) to gloat, shoot others down, bitch and otherwise try and force their opinions on others. No these people are out there in the real world, riding, exercising, grooming, feeding and bonding with their horses
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Hmmmm actually, I do not believe I have ever spoken to people as though they were a piece of proverbial.

Yes everyone is entitled to an opinion, BUT if their opinion is so completely and utterly wrong then others have the right to challenge them, this is called debate.

You on the otherhand became defensive and rude which actually compounded your ignorance in the eyes of your challengers, you did yourself no favours there.

Don't know about you, but having spent all day exercising my horses, I came on the forum tonight for some R&R, don't tend to spend too much time on my yard when it's the middle of the night tbh.

The bond between my horses and myself is just fine and dandy thank you.
 
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Because PF quite frankly there are some people on here who so full of pure indulgent self gratification it makes me want to reach for the sick bowl.
EVERYONE and I mean everyone is entitled to an opinion on here and should not be shot down for speaking their mind.

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And yet you won't allow Wysiwyg and Sirena THEIR opinion?

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I can think of quite a few on here who have got away with talking to other users on here as though they were shite over the years.
I see nothing has changed then.

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Well, I know you don't mean ME, because I don't talk shite, and I can't see what W and S have said that is so outrageous or even incorrect?

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Gosh you people are so full of [****] with your incorrect assumptions of others and what they are trying to say. It makes me laugh it truly does.

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OP has said her horse is hugely fat, what is the incorrect assumpion there?

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If half the opinionated people on here were so great with horses and so 'in the know' don't you think they would be spending more time with their dear horses than frittering away their lives on a forum like this!

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Well, I have time to offer advice to other people and, astonishingly, I do work FT with horses.

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That's why I know plenty of 'true' horse people that don't go on forums (and even the internet) to gloat, shoot others down, bitch and otherwise try and force their opinions on others. No these people are out there in the real world, riding, exercising, grooming, feeding and bonding with their horses
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So what are YOU doing if not ridiculing and generally pouring scorn on the opinions of others?
Plenty of 'true' horsepeople DO have time to come on the Internet. Looking after horses and coming on HHO are not mutually exclusive, you know. As for the gloating... who exactly? And on this thread? And forcing opinions?? Pot, kettle, black and all that.
 
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sadly PF and S..there seems to be people who are obviously ignorant to the welfare of obese equines...

as my dear departed great granny always said..you cant educate a slab of pork...

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It never ceases to surprise me that some people feel free to
1. express their own opinion but if it's someone else's opinion then they're 'full of pure indulgent self gratification'.
2. THEY can say people are full of 'full of [****] with your incorrect assumptions of others' and yet they can produce reams of 'correct' assumptionsbased on exactly the same information.
3. They are free to ridicule or mock, but if they receive any of the same, then it's 'bullying'
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AND I love the 'assumption' (hmmmmmm... back to point 2) that if you have are a 'true' horse person you don't have time to 'fritter' on forums because you would be grooming, feeding, exercising, or otherwise bonding with your horse...
Double standards drive me bonkers.
 
Couldn't agree more PF, the standard of horse care knowledge is about on a par with the standard of manners of fantasma watsit. I am very concerned about such awful misinformation pushed forward as real knowledge, even though the OP has stated at length what the vet has recomended
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Why do these people feel that they know so much more than a vet who has actually seen this obese horse?
 
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Couldn't agree more PF, the standard of horse care knowledge is about on a par with the standard of manners of fantasma watsit. I am very concerned about such awful misinformation pushed forward as real knowledge, even though the OP has stated at length what the vet has recomended
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Why do these people feel that they know so much more than a vet who has actually seen this obese horse?

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*sigh* Ah, well those would be all our 'incorrect assumptions'. I'm glad the OP seems to be taking matters seriously and that's all that concerns me. I'm not going to worry if Fangtasma thinks I'm full of 'pure self-indulgent gratification'. I AM a bit gratified when people resort to name-calling because people who actually know what they're talking about debate; they don't accuse or blame, insult or mock.
 
"because people who actually know what they're talking about ...... don't accuse or blame, insult or mock."
So the 'knowledgeable' people on here didn't do that in the first place then?
 
Yes, but I do worry about horses which are owned by people who clearly do not understand the dangers of obesity, but hey ho, I can only hope that experience teaches them the error of their thinking, without too much damage to the horses involved.
 
Well, I do agree with you that far too many people underestimate the risks of keeping a horse overweight (the 'fashion' of keeping a horse too 'well-covered' is starting to creep over here). However, it does seem that the OP is addressing the issue in a responsible manner.
 
I can't speak for others on this thread, or indeed forum. But I understand entirely! Is this another assumption may I ask based on a few posts again?
I have no errors to correct either as I have fine and healthy beasts, ask my vet
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The op does yes, but the posters saying he will be fine, he is fine etc. presumably keep their own horses over weight and feed innapropriately.
 
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The op does yes, but the posters saying he will be fine, he is fine etc. presumably keep their own horses over weight and feed innapropriately.

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Well, lets hope that this little debate will encourage them to do a bit of research themselves to the benefit of their horses!
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"However, it does seem that the OP is addressing the issue in a responsible manner."
Yes the OP is hence why she posted on here in the first place to try and warn of the dangers of horse's becoming overweight.
I agree there are dangers to a horse's health if severely overweight. Carrying a few and a mean a few pounds only, is negligible in my own opinion ( or am I not granted that ?) unless of course the horse has other health issues and has suffered with laminitis in the past or is a current sufferer from it.
 
Assumptions yet again and yet I was presumed guilty of this myself but if it is certain posters on the forum saying this, then that is deemed ok.
How wrong can people be of people they don't actually know?
 
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I can't speak for others on this thread, or indeed forum. But I understand entirely! Is this another assumption may I ask based on a few posts again?
I have no errors to correct either as I have fine and healthy beasts, ask my vet
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Clearly you are far superior to me, because even though my horses are also wonderfully healthy, I'm well aware that I can still make mistakes and still have things to learn.
 
A fit, active horse who has put on a few extra pounds over the holidays (like Antifaz) Pic below....

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...is in no grave danger. HOWEVER, the OP has said her horse is VERY fat indeed and MUCH fatter than in her sig photo. Therefore your advice that 'he will be fine' is misguided.
 
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Assumptions yet again and yet I was presumed guilty of this myself but if it is certain posters on the forum saying this, then that is deemed ok.
How wrong can people be of people they don't actually know?

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Because YOUR assumptions are going against the advice of the vet. This would be the vet that the OP had out to actually SEE her horse. We are assuming that a vet that has actually seen the horse is in a pretty good position to judge whether he is, or not, obese.
 
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I think it should be remembered that the VET has said that this horse is obese

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This is why I can't understand there even being a discussion between posters (not OP) and bickering going on about whether the horse is fat or not, whether he looks right in the pics... his vet has said he's obese so that should be all there is to it.
 
Lack of exercise is no excuse for a fat horse. It is possible to get weight of a horse even on box rest.
SOAKED hay only diet is the way to go. Use either a NON MOLLASSED mineral lick or a handful of something like Fast Fibre with a broad spectrum vit and mineral supplement.

Good Luck...your horse will thank you...laminitis is horrendous and not worth the risk
 
I have a cob that puts on weight really easily too.

It is hard to keep her weight down in summer so she goes in a sarvation paddock all summer on restricted grazing. As soon as the winter comes usually people up their food to account for the lack of grazing but I use the winter to help shed her extra pounds.

I giver her extra chaff as it is no calorific to keep her insides moving and resrict her hay intake subtactually...it works a treat now she is her perfect weight..


My vet told be that cobs survive on very little food...they can survive on whatever they eat in the first hour of grazing. hence why I restrict her hay to only half a haynet in the winter.

good luck
 
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Just be aware that there is new research from the Laminitis Consortium that shows that soaking hay may not be as effective at removing calories/sugar as first thought. Link to an article about the subject here:

http://www.equinesciencenews.com/news/080709.html

Basically the initial hay soaking research was done on chopped hay soaked in a large volume of water and this method was effective in removing sugars from the hay. However, most horseowners use long hay and don't use a lot of water in the soaking (ie the haynet stuffed in a dustbin scenario).

In the recent studies done on soaking long hay it was found that very few of the samples came in at under 10% sugar (regarded as the 'safe' threshold for laminitics) even after prolonged soaking.

If you do intend to soak then ensure you choose a low sugar hay to start with (preferably get it analysed - this doesn't have to be expensive) and ensure that it is soaked in a large volume of water.

As for the poster who said being a little overweight doesn't matter - all I can say is it bl**dy well does! Being a bit overweight long term is thought to contribute to Equine Metabolic Syndrome which makes horses more prone to laminitis, just as humans being a bit overweight can lead to diabetes. As a farrier's wife I often talk to people who horses and ponies have developed laminitis and who were shocked to find that having their animals looking a bit round and cuddly was the cause.
 
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Antifaz *dribble*

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I totally agree - I am constantly amazed at how truly fantastic PF's horses look - really incredible.

Haven't read the rest of the replies - but OP mixing hay and straw is an excellent way of reducing calories but still ensuring a nice flow of fibre through the system.

Good luck with the diet - I know how hard it can be. But this is a great time of year to be cracking on with it.
 
Not sure what the score is with Fantasma, wysiwyg and Sirena - poss history, I don't know, but can I point out that she was not the only one that said *feed carrots* yet the other poster (Henryhorn - sorry HH, I am not being horrid, just trying to point something out
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I hate carrots, full of sugar, empty calories that are akin to a likit, odd one here and there won't hurt but not a daily thing IMO.

To the OP, well done for recognising the probs, walker, ride, he will soon be fine x
 
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