Cant help him no more

broke_but_happy said:
Would you really do that?! At the last count this horse has put at least 5 people in hospital, it's only a matter of time before it kills someone.
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Thankyou I have read the thread. That is why I stated "one experienced in dealing with difficult horses" by this I mean "dangerous".

I posed this as a question as I don't know what these types of places could offer, or indeed if such places even exist that would be able to take the extreme safety precautions that this horse obviously requires.
 
My thoughts are with you Tracyann, and hope you are not suffering too much as a result of this. It must be such a difficult position to be in. Have the vets made any recommendations? I say this as we had a horse in for livery once, and it was unpredictable (I was young and stupid and didn't think it was that bad)


The vets came out for something quite minor, can't even remember what, just remember that horse EXTREME reaction to the vet. It happened two or three more times, and the vet said the horse should be pts before it injured someone. And honestly, this horse was NOT THAT BAD. So just wondered if the vets had given an opinion?

Whatever you decide, just remember that you have ot failed this horse, even if it is PTS in the end. He was failed well before you took him on.
 
Achinghips said:
Thankyou I have read the thread. That is why I stated "one experienced in dealing with difficult horses" by this I mean "dangerous".

I posed this as a question as I don't know what these types of places could offer, or indeed if such places even exist that would be able to take the extreme safety precautions that this horse obviously requires.
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I wasn't implying that you hadn't :) But personally, if it was my horse, I couldn't live with myself if anyone was killed by him.
 
Achinghips said:
Thankyou I have read the thread. That is why I stated "one experienced in dealing with difficult horses" by this I mean "dangerous".

I posed this as a question as I don't know what these types of places could offer, or indeed if such places even exist that would be able to take the extreme safety precautions that this horse obviously requires.
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The OP has already stated that the horse will die with her, be it soon or in years times, she will not pass him onto anyone else given his history. I can completely understand this sentiment and is probably what I would do in the same situation.

My thoughts are with you OP, not an easy decision to make, see what the vet says, and maybe explore the possibility of a second opinion.
I know from memory that Monty Roberts wouldn't actually give advice on this sort of aggression after giving advice that didn't end happily (not going into detail as the OP doesn't need to worry about what happened to someone else), I do wonder if Richard Maxwell would be similar from the same point of view that the OP will not pass him on, do you want it on your concience if something happens?
 
This will be my last post for a while iv needed you so you can be more open minded. My friends hate him and would shoot him themselves if i let them. Also my family have the same thoughts Vet has advised to pts hes not been the easy for the vet. He is nicer to me and calmer just not all the time. And they dont see that he put so much trust in me most of the time.
 
Naryafluffy said:
I know from memory that Monty Roberts wouldn't actually give advice on this sort of aggression after giving advice that didn't end happily (not going into detail as the OP doesn't need to worry about what happened to someone else),
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Which says it all really doesn't it. These horses do exist (for what ever reason), I've had one as have some others on this thread. TBH unless you have had one, I'm not sure you could really appreciate what its like or the level of behaviour which is so dangerous and so unlike anything you've ever seen in a horse which are usually fight or flight animals. Poor OP.
 
You have explored many avenues and horse not having a quality of life, we don't understand everything that happens to it so please pts before it does more injuries, could be tumour of brain or spine causing pain, don't feel guilty many people wouldn't of tried as long as you have.
 
traceyann said:
This will be my last post for a while iv needed you so you can be more open minded. My friends hate him and would shoot him themselves if i let them. Also my family have the same thoughts Vet has advised to pts hes not been the easy for the vet. He is nicer to me and calmer just not all the time. And they dont see that he put so much trust in me most of the time.
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Big Hugs to you TA. Thinking of you at this awful time. If I knew where you were, and it was feasible, I'd go and be with him for you, albeit at a distance, and then come and hold your hand afterwards.
 
traceyann said:
This will be my last post for a while iv needed you so you can be more open minded. My friends hate him and would shoot him themselves if i let them. Also my family have the same thoughts Vet has advised to pts hes not been the easy for the vet. He is nicer to me and calmer just not all the time. And they dont see that he put so much trust in me most of the time.
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I've followed this post but not commented because I feel it would be inappropriate to give advice when I am not the vet, nor do I know the horse or yourself.

But I just wanted to say I am so sorry you have found yourself backed into this corner. I hope you get all the help and support you need.

I'm sure whatever decision you make will be the right one.
 
Cortez said:
I very much do not direct this at you, OP, and I am deeply sorry for you and the horse, and apreciate that you have tried your best to help and right a wrong that is not of your doing at all, but this is just another in a long series of disasterous outcomes for Spanish horses in the wrong hands. People see PRE's in Spain and think "Beautiful, fairytale horses: stallions behaving perfectly, always obedient, quiet and at one with the rider. This is my dream horse! I, too can ride the wind", then get their dreamhorse home and discover they cannot handle it. Spanish horses dorequire experienced, often FIRM handling. They are not quiet cobs, they do not generally respond to "loving" handling, or the English "way". I have now rescued 8 Spanish horses from awful situations (won't bore you with the details), all started out with the best of intentions. PLEASE don't buy Spanish horses without thoroughly investigating the breed, it can end badly - usually for the horse, whose only crime was to be beautiful and desirable.
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^^^^^This EXACTLY, why why why buy (or rescue) a horse that has got serious issues, or a breed that is uber sensitive which you have no experience of, why do it to yourself? Horses are supposed to be an enjoyable, fulfilling addition to our lives, not something that scares the **** out of you. I have a family and I would never put myself in this situation. I have not read all the pages so I may have missed the outcome, but if not for god's sake put it to sleep, before you have someone else's injuries on your conscience.
 
Traceyann you have already said that this horse will die with you whether now or in the future. And I commend you for that. There will always be different opinions, that's the beauty of Forums, but none of us are in your shoes and having to deal with this situation on a day to day basis.

I'm not going to make any assumptions about whether this trainer or that trainer could help. I just wanted to wish you and your horse well whatever the ultimate outcome is. At least you know he will never be passed from pillar to post whether his time ends now or in the future. You are protecting him from an uncertain fate and I think that is a very responsible thing to do.
 
I hate the thought of any animal being PTS for any reason, but it's sometimes for the best.
We let horses get away with a lot more than dogs. Some dogs are PTS for just a little nip. Horses get away with kicking, biting and breaking bones.

I really feel for you :( I couldn't have made such a choice *hugs* I really really hope you're doing ok!
 
Achinghips said:
What about a sanctuary for him? One experienced in difficult horses?
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Oh lordy! Why would they want to risk the lives of their staff/volunteers when there are enough sound and sane animals in need of their help? Traceyann good luck with whatever you decide but please don’t vanish forever as I for one will be haunted thinking something has happened to you at the hands, well hooves, of your horse.
 
traceyann said:
This will be my last post for a while iv needed you so you can be more open minded. My friends hate him and would shoot him themselves if i let them. Also my family have the same thoughts Vet has advised to pts hes not been the easy for the vet. He is nicer to me and calmer just not all the time. And they dont see that he put so much trust in me most of the time.
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Thinking of you traceyann, sad as it is, I think you know already what your decision has to be

xx
 
my thoughts are with you traceyann, stay strong and please please keep yourself safe. The heartache will be far greater should something happen to you. Big hugs and I agree its a tough and brave decision to have to make. Make it on what you know not what a bunch of strangers thinks is right xx
 
And if you are reading this, do not think you actually have to be there at "the end" because if you are really really upset, you will pass that onto your horse. I have held friends horses when they were PTS and that was awful. My own boy I hugged and then my vet told me to go away while he was injected. My tears and upset were not helping my horse at that time and I was distressing him. I know it is upto the individual but in my case, I had completely under estimated the impact my own behaviour would have on my horse. I had also thought I could be strong for my horse but I couldn't. I had had him for over 20 years and I just fell apart when the moment came.
 
Iv given my little boy one last chance [ I think my family have disowned me or their going to have me sectioned ] Im going down the sugar free diet although i do not think this will help. I just couldnt bring myself to put a such a young horse down. Hes been a bit of a handfull after the vets so hopeing he gonna calm down soon. This is his very last chance my other horses have kicked him out of the herd at the moment in disgrace i think. And my cob watching like a hawk. just waiting for an excuse Im never going to handle this horse without my cob near in the field hopefully he will keep me safe. I want to thank everyone for their help and kindness and every one who pm me their support.
 
Good luck. I think you are very brave. I really hope changing his diet will help, it really did with mine (he is currently eating Equibites and grass with no rug, and he is still full of beans!) Please, please be really careful when handling him. And remember it is his last chance, if he tries to hurt you again you MUST have him pts.

Lots of hugs () () ()
 
traceyann said:
Im never going to handle this horse without my cob near in the field hopefully he will keep me safe.
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Please be careful. I know you feel your cob saved you last time, but if you get caught between two fighting horses either one of them could accidentally injure you. I don't think you should handle this horse without confident human help around. I'm not implying you're not very capable, I'm sure you are, but it's much safer with two.

I applaud your kindness in wanting to give the horse another chance, but please put your own safety first.
 
When we are young or not so young we think we indistructable, we are not. I am a nurse and have worked in ITU/ Neuro ITU. My biggest fear is being layed by anything as a even a resonabley small blow to the head can leave you, 'the lights are on but no ones home' Someone I know girl friend was killed by her horse in the field, unfortuately they had to go through seeing her in ITU and then finally seeing her slip away. Then the fallout for this goes on for months and years , what do they do with the horse and who looks after it?
Please think of your family. I have just have my horse PTS by injection and its not that bad. Over quick and then you and him are safe. No one will ever hurt him and you will know you have tried your best.
The worst outcome of this could be he injures you and you end up paralyised and then your family have to look after you and have the disposale of him.
 
I think if you are asking this question sounds like very risky horse. As long as all avenues have been explored etc and its not exactly like this has happened out of the blue..ie a one off.

Got to say be inclined to PTS. As previous poster says you dont want to end up seriously injured. I was always told to make life easy for myself around horses. Good luck not an easy decision but perhaps a realistic one.
 
My problem is im gutless i just couldnt do it. I do understand the risk so far iv had many with him but this really last chance saloon for him.
 
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