CC on this Oldenburg?

I like him. You're right -- not much "wow" in the trot, but the canter looks nice, true and well balanced. Carl Hester says you can develop the trot, but you should buy the canter. There were a few moments where you could see the potential for the trot to be more elastic. The thing I didn't like (for dressage) is that he looks a wee bit long. He may not be in person. As someone with a long horse, I can tell you that my next one won't be.

I really hope his name is not Noodle.
 
I do like him and the trot can be worked on. Actually, the trot can be improved just by correct work over time to build muscle and strength gently, regardless of any specific exercises to improve it.

Only thing I would be thinking is that he is a little long for me. The back length is normal at the this age, it will appear less long with more topline, but girth to flank he looks too long for me in work. I didn't notice it in the still, but it was where my eye was drawn as soon as the first video started. It made me look at his foreleg and think it was a tad too far forward in its setting. It's not necessarily that, but the picture, whilst nice, isn't nice enough for me to want to buy a plane ticket to see him and seriously consider him. I would rather look closer to home. He looks lovely, he really does but it would all depend on the price. I would only buy a plane ticket to see a horse that was worth a packet and If it was, I would want more for that money if that makes sense.
 
Not my type at all,

That aside would just re-iterate what others have said. Big & weak, needs time and will look very different in 18 months. Not a wow mover at all, canter is better than trot (right way round!).

Depends what you are looking for and how cheap he is, I personally wouldn't be travelling a distance to view
 
I agree with you jannyconnor he just doesnt have the wow factor for his breeding he is pretty ordinary in walk too which is the base from which you start. No elevation in the trot and is very on the forehand in canter which makes him look long. All of which can be taught but to be honest you will get much bigger moving youngsters that start with that advantage
 
_GG_ said:
I do like him and the trot can be worked on. Actually, the trot can be improved just by correct work over time to build muscle and strength gently, regardless of any specific exercises to improve it.

Only thing I would be thinking is that he is a little long for me. The back length is normal at the this age, it will appear less long with more topline, but girth to flank he looks too long for me in work. I didn't notice it in the still, but it was where my eye was drawn as soon as the first video started. It made me look at his foreleg and think it was a tad too far forward in its setting. It's not necessarily that, but the picture, whilst nice, isn't nice enough for me to want to buy a plane ticket to see him and seriously consider him. I would rather look closer to home. He looks lovely, he really does but it would all depend on the price. I would only buy a plane ticket to see a horse that was worth a packet and If it was, I would want more for that money if that makes sense.
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Totally agree! Like I said I am actually looking for a Hanoverian colt (found a very nice one Fustenball - Wolkentanz) I have a BWP at the moment, standing 17hh and only in 6'6'' rugs so he's very short through his back. I don't generally go for anything long and too leggy. I'll see what his loose schooling video is like/conformational pictures are like.
 
Nr fore caught my eye, not sure how straight the limb might be when viewed from the front. Very weak and does not float my boat conformation wise, but I am not a fan of warmbloods anyway.

A better picture is probably possible with a different rider, quiet she might be, but her hands are glued to her hips and the horse got a poke in the mouth frequently.

In today's market I think you could do better.
 
P.S: I don't yet know his price, but I definitely think he's too basic for what I'm looking for.

This is the colt I went to view in September:

[video=youtube;oipRqjhuH3Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oipRqjhuH3Q[/video]
 
AdorableAlice said:
Nr fore caught my eye, not sure how straight the limb might be when viewed from the front. Very weak and does not float my boat conformation wise, but I am not a fan of warmbloods anyway.

A better picture is probably possible with a different rider, quiet she might be, but her hands are glued to her hips and the horse got a poke in the mouth frequently.

In today's market I think you could do better.
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You've done well to pick up on that! I too seen it and queried with the owner; it turned out he cut his front right leg and went lame due to a minor infection, he was on box rest and damaged his left shoulder pawing at the door. She said he has had physio and is sound again...
 
Ditto the wanting to see him loose. He's big weak and gangly. The rider is nice and quiet but looks like she's trained him to be quiet and sensible, not express his paces, probably because when he does move well, she can't sit it.

The colt has beautiful paces but many horses will show that kind of lift and hock action when spooked.
 
Kallibear said:
Ditto the wanting to see him loose. He's big weak and gangly. The rider is nice and quiet but looks like she's trained him to be quiet and sensible, not express his paces, probably because when he does move well, she can't sit it.

The colt has beautiful paces but many horses will show that kind of lift and hock action when spooked.
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Yep, I don't want to pick apart the rider in the videos. She's not a bad rider at all, BUT...she was carrying her hands quite low and was stiff throughout her body which will thwart movement somewhat. The horse may not feel confident in the contact enough to get enough of his own balance to work "big" either as, in the trot where the movement is so lacking, the riders hands rise and fall with her seat...she is tense = he is tense, mainly through his trapezius.

Re the colt, I have always advised seeing them run with the Dam or out with other youngsters. Any horse, pony or foal can show super expressive paces when being chased with a plastic bag and a stick.
 
The horse is not quite straight in front to my eye ( you really need to see them in the flesh to work out what they are doing )
The trots very disappointing but he's being very poorly ridden but it's a naturally nice canter and that's important if I was looking I would want to be getting on and see what buttons I could find and try pressing them .
For me it would about how much money and how far away on the basis of the video I would drive a huge distance or spend a fortune .
 
Thanks for the replies :)

Re the colt: he was shown at the elite goal auctions in verden earlier this year [video=youtube_share;VTVRMJXZh7g]http://youtu.be/VTVRMJXZh7g[/video]

As you can see he has the same fantastic paces. I've also been to the stud in the UK where he is now; I seen him move like that with no chasing or encouragement :)
 
Can't comment on the colt, don't believe you really know what it's going to turn out like, I know someone who paid decent money for a filly and a colt , which her going to be amazing. Grew up to be nowt special at all.

As for the Oldenburg defo has no wow factor for me, just looks a average warmblood, I'd pay maybe £3000 for him tops, but nothing that substantial.
 
I like the colt. His dam looks like a State Premium mare so I would expect the combination to be rather nice a few years down the road. Have you been able to view any other offspring from the dam?
 
Daytona said:
Can't comment on the colt, don't believe you really know what it's going to turn out like, I know someone who paid decent money for a filly and a colt , which her going to be amazing. Grew up to be nowt special at all.
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What's decent money though? A lot depends on the breeding and whether the cross works or not. I think when you look at a lot of youngstock you can definitely see what it *should* turn out like. Not all of them do turn out how they should be obviously, or maybe it's more a case of, not all of them get the opportunity to show what they can do.
 
JennyConnor said:
Thanks for the replies :)

Re the colt: he was shown at the elite goal auctions in verden earlier this year [video=youtube_share;VTVRMJXZh7g]http://youtu.be/VTVRMJXZh7g[/video]

As you can see he has the same fantastic paces. I've also been to the stud in the UK where he is now; I seen him move like that with no chasing or encouragement :)
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I saw him go through the ring at Verden I think.
There were a few furstenballs that day , all of them nice.
I can dig out the catalogue if you like? We had an evaluator sat by us who had scored many of the entries and we jotted his scores down out of interest !
 
I think looking at the fencing that the aspect ratio may be wrong on the videos of the five year old. If it was shown in 4:3 instead of 16:9, I think he may look like quite a nice horse, with a shorter back and a lot more elevation.
 
ihatework said:
I saw him go through the ring at Verden I think.
There were a few furstenballs that day , all of them nice.
I can dig out the catalogue if you like? We had an evaluator sat by us who had scored many of the entries and we jotted his scores down out of interest !
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That would be brilliant thank you :)
 
Spring Feather said:
I like the colt. His dam looks like a State Premium mare so I would expect the combination to be rather nice a few years down the road. Have you been able to view any other offspring from the dam?
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Yes you're right; his dam is St. Pr. Wolkenstern (Wolkentanz) :)
 
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Spring Feather said:
What's decent money though? A lot depends on the breeding and whether the cross works or not. I think when you look at a lot of youngstock you can definitely see what it *should* turn out like. Not all of them do turn out how they should be obviously, or maybe it's more a case of, not all of them get the opportunity to show what they can do.
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£15000 a piece
 
JennyConnor said:
That would be brilliant thank you :)
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Argh, shame, he was towards the end of the catalogue. The evaluator had spent his £££ by then and gone.
The colt went through the ring at 4.5k, I didn't make any specific notes.

The furstenballs that weekend - the bulk were in the 4-5 region, but there were a couple that really stood out, top price on a FB was 18k
 
ihatework said:
Argh, shame, he was towards the end of the catalogue. The evaluator had spent his £££ by then and gone.
The colt went through the ring at 4.5k, I didn't make any specific notes.

The furstenballs that weekend - the bulk were in the 4-5 region, but there were a couple that really stood out, top price on a FB was 18k
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No problem :) Was he €4.5 or £4.5? I might make a trip next year if I don't get the colt... don't think I'll be spending 18k though!
 
Euro.
There was plenty of choice in that price bracket, but the general consensus of the locals was that there wasn't much money about that sale and that average prices were down.
 
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