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here is a video of my little pbw, shes rising 4 and has been at boot camp over the winter ;)

its me riding in all the clips and i'd like some CC please! she is just a baby so isn't 100% established and has only recently learn't to jump and im am learning to do flat work so my stirrups are probably too short for flatwork but were getting there!

im hoping to get her to a couple of BE 4yo classes an by the end of the year (not the BYEH classes)would like her to be jumping discovery indoors but i know how things change with youngsters!

CC and your comments please

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EeY6IFMAHA&context=C3dafd1cADOEgsToPDskLozEdjaxWQa8Qz6pGn68QY

and a couple of photies too :D

one of her finer moments although this was the only jump we got over!
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and one of her not so finer moments :S
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Is she's only 3 it looks like you are doing way too much and rushing her. Have you ever brought on a young horse before? Are you getting help from a professional?
 
yes im a working pupil for an event rider so shes ridden under instruction 4 times a week and they ride her too :S

no she is my first youngster and i've had her sine shes a yearling, i dont want to sound defensive because i asked for CC but she doesn't look atall unhappy in any of these so she obviously doesn't feel under pressure or rushed? what would you suggest is a suitable amount of schooling for an almost four year old im quite interested?

any more comments?
 
I don't do this much but here's my offer. She's a lovely horse - is she perhaps a little croup high, which shows in her canter a bit as it looks a little on the forehand? She looks nicely established into a contact although I'd probably want her to stretch her frame a little more. In terms of jumping - I think her canter needs to be a slightly better quality so she isn't yawing you into the fence, she looks a bold mare. Personally I don't like v poles on young ones as would want her to get her shape a bit more over a fence without them for now. In terms of exercises - I'd do more pole work, thinking about keeping the canter rhythmic and bouncy - that's hard on a wobbly youngster but 4 poles on a 20m circle is good discipline for her and you. Another good one is 2 very small fences (or even 4 if you are for a challenge!!!) on a 20m circle and making sure you hit the right stride to every fence ever time, leave her to work out her feet you concentrate on the rhythm!!

Sometimes on the flat you lose her outside shoulder a bit, try to work on making sure she is straight every single time you ride her - square circles are good.

A lovely little horse who looks like she will give you loads of fun in the future. Good luck!
 
Karsumatra said:
No CC from me but she is lovely and you ride her beautifully. How is she bred? :)
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thank you, she is a bit heinz 57 we know her grandfather on her mothers size is a full sec D, commonfields aces high who is by oben tom boy, but the rest is quite vague poss a bit of id and probably a lot of cob - but dont tell her ;)

thank you 1t34, i suppose she is a little croup high i hadn't really looked at her like that and she is quite on the for hand which is what we are working on at the moment and it has deffinatly improved since this video was taken in dec/january - she had not long been cantering and she is slightly more established now, but she does fall in/out she falls in on the left rein and out on the right rein but this again is something we hope has improved! as i said im quite new to actually schooling so i have to conciously remind my self to correct her and im not quite fast enough sometime - horses don't seem to fall in/out when hacking :rolleyes: thank you again - i will try the exercises you suggested
 
LeannePip said:
yes im a working pupil for an event rider so shes ridden under instruction 4 times a week and they ride her too :S

no she is my first youngster and i've had her sine shes a yearling, i dont want to sound defensive because i asked for CC but she doesn't look atall unhappy in any of these so she obviously doesn't feel under pressure or rushed? what would you suggest is a suitable amount of schooling for an almost four year old im quite interested?

any more comments?
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I'm with Smith I'm afraid! She looks very young to be being ridden under supervision (which I take it means lessons/schooling) times a week, plus whatever the yard do with her.

I wouldn't go on her expression/willingness to work as an indication of whether you're doing too much with her. Horses have been willingly going above and beyond since time immemorial.

I personally don't break horses in until they are 4 , but if I were sent a 3yr old, I would be lightly backing now, hacking around a bit, and then turning away for a few months, ready to come back in for a bit of fun in the summer. I certainly wouldn't have had her in full work for 6 months (this is a guess - judging by the dates on your videos, and her way of going) be nagging her around the school in spurs and cross country schooling/schooling over showjumps with v poles. I'd also suggest that , as you're a working pupil with access to instruction - see if you can get a bit of positional lunge work - you are rocking a bit of a chair seat at the moment, which is making it hard for you to rise and sit lightly in trot.

I'm sorry if this wasn't what you wanted to hear - but I'm giving you as measured a dose of CC as I can, bearing in mind that I strongly believe that this lovely little horse is being asked for far too much, far too soon
 
First off I was going to slate you for doing so much with your horse so young, and then I remembered the best horse I have ever owned was Digby bought as a just turned 4 WB x who was winning newcomers, he was unflappable, jumped like a stag and knew his job, he lived until he was 31 so it clearly did him no harm, so I'll shut up and remember that some are more up for it than others yours clearly is, and I am a firm believer that a varied education is the best for a horse, which you are clearly doing, a good mix between hacking, jumping and flatwork, not letting them go stale and enjoying eachother is working for you, good luck!
 
Lovely horse! Very promising and she seems very bold with her jumping.

I would agree with the others that you need to keep an eye on how much you are asking her to do at this age. Her walk is really nice, you can encourage her to stretch even more in her frame. The trot is tough to judge in slow motion, but it looks rushed. Try to work on the rhythm, get her more relaxed through her back and neck and don't worry about picking up a more competition frame for now. The one transition you show she hollows, so work on a lot of transitions, circles, leg yielding, etc. Her canter is very promising!!!

As for the rider, much to like! If you can try to look up and stick your chest out more and if it's safe do work without stirrups to help lengthen your legs.

Well done with her!
 
There is definately lots to like about her, I'd just like to see her ridden in more of a longer frame, really working over her back and maintaining a better rhythm :)
 
Too much too soon IMO. I would not be x-country schooling a rising 4 year old - what's the rush?

Looks a nice type and willing though. I'd be turning away for a few months and starting again with lungeing/long reining around July.

What are your long term plans for her?
 
Lovely horse and she's goes really nicely for you. I don't have any criticism of you, but I would be inclined to give her a break at some point so that she doesn't get stale. :)
 
Your trot is very rushed slow it down, work on getting a slower less rushed more rhythmical trot so that you can bring her round the corners nicely.

Also i noticed you are CONSTANTLY getting at your horse with your spurs, i hate spurs for this reason you don't need to get at her on every stride in trot. She doesn't look lazy i would take the spurs off, lengthen your stirrups, i agree that you look like your sitting in an armchair and get her working for you, this will probably help with the rushing.

Other than that leave her time to be young, out of interest how long are your schooling sessions and how many days a week?
 
You are working your horse too hard for her age.

Her epiphyseal plates (growth) are not completely fused yet.

You are heightening her chances of predisposition to premature degenerative boney changes, for example OCD, Navicular, Ringbone by increasing mechanical trauma to the joints that are not yet formed completely.

I strongly disagree with your use of spurs. Why are you using them?
They are jabbing her even in walk, then again in trot and in canter. Your leg does not look secure enough to use them properly. Also , she is three years old, I do not think using spurs at that age is beneficial to her schooling. Why is she not learning to go off your leg effectively? You are going to make her less responsive to the leg by teaching her with spurs on, especially when used incorrectly.
 
mollichop said:
Any chance you could come back and answer some of our questions op? Cc has been given, i'm interested to know what you think?
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sorry - i live away from home so dont have internet when im at work, thank you some for the nie comments and the cc and i have taken the tips on board but i would also like to add a few things too

Auslander said:
She looks very young to be being ridden under supervision (which I take it means lessons/schooling) times a week, plus whatever the yard do with her.

I certainly wouldn't have had her in full work for 6 months (this is a guess - judging by the dates on your videos, and her way of going)


bearing in mind that I strongly believe that this lovely little horse is being asked for far too much, far too soon
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1) she is ridden with some one watching from the ground, this way no one picks up bad habbits and stops a problem before it starts. the yard dont do anything with her

2) shes was backed last may because she was getting extremly bored not doing anything despite going for walks and inhand showing, she is the type of horse that likes to keep busy. she hacked once or twice a week for the summer went to the beach, went showing in hand did ride and lead had 6/8 weeks off over sept/october came back into work when i moved here in november. untill this point she had never been 'schooled'. she still only works 4/5 times a week for half an hour this includes hacking schooling and sometimes jumping. and sometimes has 3-5 days off inbetween

3) i dont ask her to do anything that shes unhappy with and i dont MAKE her do anything, i ask her to be polite when ridden and answer simlple aids that will benefit her when shes older

snopuma said:
First off I was going to slate you for doing so much with your horse so young, and then I remembered the best horse I have ever owned was Digby bought as a just turned 4 WB x who was winning newcomers, he was unflappable, jumped like a stag and knew his job, he lived until he was 31 so it clearly did him no harm, so I'll shut up and remember that some are more up for it than others yours clearly is, and I am a firm believer that a varied education is the best for a horse, which you are clearly doing, a good mix between hacking, jumping and flatwork, not letting them go stale and enjoying eachother is working for you, good luck!
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thank you, she enjoys doing it so why not let her do it in moderation, every horse is different as you said and i do try and give her a varied education

Booboos said:
Lovely horse! Very promising and she seems very bold with her jumping.

I would agree with the others that you need to keep an eye on how much you are asking her to do at this age. Her walk is really nice, you can encourage her to stretch even more in her frame. The trot is tough to judge in slow motion, but it looks rushed. Try to work on the rhythm, get her more relaxed through her back and neck and don't worry about picking up a more competition frame for now. The one transition you show she hollows, so work on a lot of transitions, circles, leg yielding, etc. Her canter is very promising!!!

As for the rider, much to like! If you can try to look up and stick your chest out more and if it's safe do work without stirrups to help lengthen your legs.

Well done with her!
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thank you, this is the CC i was looking for, something constructive, yes her trot is rushed, this is something we are focusing on more now as she is a very lazy horse who to begin with didnt have any forward gears so we were teaching her to trot for herself, which she has now mastered and started rushing but she is alot better than in these videos, will try and get some more recent ones - i hope there is an improvment as for the no stirrups this is something i am trying, shes quite safe so will do more of thank you

mollichop said:
Too much too soon IMO. I would not be x-country schooling a rising 4 year old - what's the rush?

Looks a nice type and willing though. I'd be turning away for a few months and starting again with lungeing/long reining around July.

What are your long term plans for her?
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there is no rush but she does enjoys doing it and it varies her education

she only causes havvoc when shes turned away so for her piece of mind we keep her in light work maybe once twice a week with lots of turn out she sometimes has two weeks off but as our turn out is limited it wouldnt be fair to keep her in her box when turn out is limited to every other day for the time being although this will change as the days get longer hopefully and time off would be an option

i dont have any major plans for her, i would like her to have a go at one or two of the BE4yo (not the BYEH) classes towards the end of the year if she ready and a couple of shows undersaddle then who knows what, im not in a rush with her but i let her do what she enjoys


martha said:
Lovely horse and she's goes really nicely for you. I don't have any criticism of you, but I would be inclined to give her a break at some point so that she doesn't get stale. :)
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thank you, we keep her varied so she doesnt go stale, at the moment it isn't feesable to give her more than a couple of weeks off but hopefully things will change :)

jaffa2311 said:
Also , she is three years old, I do not think using spurs at that age is beneficial to her schooling. Why is she not learning to go off your leg effectively? You are going to make her less responsive to the leg by teaching her with spurs on, especially when used incorrectly.
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shes two months short of being four, she is incredibly lazy and quite backwards, i'd rather have the spurs on under instructors supervision than boots her round making her even more dead to the leg, its something which has worked for her as i no longer need to use them
 
LeannePip said:
1) she is ridden with some one watching from the ground, this way no one picks up bad habbits and stops a problem before it starts. the yard dont do anything with her
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Then why did you say:

LeannePip said:
yes im a working pupil for an event rider so shes ridden under instruction 4 times a week and they ride her too :S
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:confused:

Agree with a lot of the comments, lovely horse with lots of potential but too much too soon IMO. Do you have access to lunge lessons/schoolmaster lessons to improve your riding while giving her time to mature? :)
 
LeannePip said:
shes two months short of being four, she is incredibly lazy and quite backwards, i'd rather have the spurs on under instructors supervision than boots her round making her even more dead to the leg, its something which has worked for her as i no longer need to use them
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Or you could train her to be properly response to leg aids without booting or spurs :cool:

I don't understand why you would post something like this and be so defensive when peope offer their opinions that you are doing too much with her, given her age. FWIW, I don't think there's any excuse to do that amount of work with a 3 year old and you are seriously risking her long term soundness. Still, your pony, if you want to break it, go ahead :rolleyes:
 
I appreciate you coming back and responding - however, your reason for working such a young horse on a regular basis is due to boredom and lack of turnout? Then I suggest you move yards.

She needs to enjoy being a youngster - her education will stay with her for life so you'd better be damn sure you do not **** it up at this early stage!

Turn her away again with company and let her grow.

The best produced YEH placings have been given time to mature IMO.
 
JFTD said:
Or you could train her to be properly response to leg aids without booting or spurs :cool:

I don't understand why you would post something like this and be so defensive when peope offer their opinions that you are doing too much with her, given her age. FWIW, I don't think there's any excuse to do that amount of work with a 3 year old and you are seriously risking her long term soundness. Still, your pony, if you want to break it, go ahead :rolleyes:
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I have to say I agree with this.

When I watched the video I was struck by what a nice horse she is, a little on the forehand and croup high but I thought you rode her nicely, although you nagged a little with your legs and therefore rushed her. Then I realised the horse was only 3 :eek:

If you ask for CC you should accept it, you may work for a professional event yard but do you want your horse to remain sound long term?

ETA: Spurs on a 3yo????
 
I can't see the video so can't comment on this horse or rider. The only thing I will add however is that the horse is being aimed at four year old classes, now whether you agree with these or not, to be able to do this the horse will have to be in a decent amount of work in its late three year old/ early four year old months as it will be expected to run at be90 level. If she was a dressage horse or show jumper working towards four year old classes she would be doing just as much work.
Now whether you agree with these classes is a different matter but there will be rising four year olds all over being prepared for these classes. The op states she works in an event yard, I would imagine there are others in the yard of the same age working along the same lines.
To be competitive and safe on a four year old in theses classes a certain amount of prep has had to go into it.
 
She is a lovely horse and you ride nicely
Personally at 3 I would seek to do no more than break and strengthen the horse, it is not necessarily physical problems but they need to mature mentally and almost every horse benefits from time turned away to 'think over' what they have learnt.

Indications of her weakness: the bobbing head very noticable in walk and also trot, IMO this indicates the need for basic muscle work so personally would go back to long and low work, I also think that anatomically it is the best way to promote correct bone and muscle development if you do want to ride her at 3. I think that her canter looks a bit awkward and would not be doing so much trot/canter when her walk (to me) looks like it still needs work but to be fair this is the way I approach my horses and everyone does things differently. She is a nice horse and looks promising but I'm not convinced by the early start approach (in general, just my stance) no matter how 'bored' any horse looks.
 
I do think the flat work looks lovely, but the jumping makes me uncomfortable. She dosen't look confiendent at all. I would be inclinded to leave the jumping for abit and if you need to ride her regualry, concentrate on hacking. Im assumeing from what you said she is schooled 4ish times a week - really really watch you don't make her sour. I don't school my 7 year old that much for fear of turning him sour!
 
fornema said:
Your trot is very rushed slow it down, work on getting a slower less rushed more rhythmical trot so that you can bring her round the corners nicely.

Also i noticed you are CONSTANTLY getting at your horse with your spurs, i hate spurs for this reason you don't need to get at her on every stride in trot. She doesn't look lazy i would take the spurs off, lengthen your stirrups, i agree that you look like your sitting in an armchair and get her working for you, this will probably help with the rushing.

Other than that leave her time to be young, out of interest how long are your schooling sessions and how many days a week?
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^^ Agree with this. Lovely horse and I too hate to see 'nagging legs/spurs'. You will de-sensitize her in no time riding her like this :(
 
I can't believe all the comments about improving the riding - loads of people who don't ride even half as nicely as the OP post vids up for CC without the same response! I say that as someone who thinks lunge/schoolmaster lessons are fantastic for anybody; even with that in mind I don't think the OP NEEDS them any more than most riders (although if the previous poster was suggesting these as something else to think about and enjoy while waiting for the horse to mature a little then I agree that would make sense :) )

I know the key issue here is the age of the horse and if I am honest I personally wouldn't be doing so much so early if she was mine (would prob just be starting to bring back into work after turning away) but I'm no expert and therefore wouldn't be so quick to judge either. As somebody else pointed out, rightly or wrongly a lot of people will be doing likewise to prepare horses for BE 4yo classes (or for that matter other young horse classes/futurities in different sports/disciplines).

In any case she looks like a great horse and I hope the OP will continue to post updates!
 
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OP I think you ride very nicely. I agree with the comments to be aware of the horse's physical and mental immaturity and not to overdo any work at this stage.
 
We had a 17hh hanoverian x tb who before we owned her was ridden with spurs and draw reins as a 3yrold, we got her when she was a 5yr old her temperment was sour and hyper, don't take advantage of your horse's personality or she will turn out like ours, not trying to force you into anything but use a schooling whip instead of spurs a short sharp tap is much better than a persistant jab in the side.
 
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