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eahotson said:
The trouble with Peta is that they are a bit too extreme.
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But obviously they are going to take an interest, as the FEI is clearly not acting - I don't think anyone can complain about their involvement given that circumstance. And given what they are involved in stopping in some places I think they can be forgiven for taking a dim view of humans' use of animals (which is what any horse sport is) https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/peta-unregulated-horse-racing-bush-tracks-texas-drugs-cruelty/
 
Burnttoast said:
But obviously they are going to take an interest, as the FEI is clearly not acting - I don't think anyone can complain about their involvement given that circumstance. And given what they are involved in stopping in some places I think they can be forgiven for taking a dim view of humans' use of animals (which is what any horse sport is) https://www.texasstandard.org/stories/peta-unregulated-horse-racing-bush-tracks-texas-drugs-cruelty/
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I'm not a fan at all of PETA but someone has to do something and at the moment there's a void. PETA will fill it if none of the authorities do.
 
There is no way in Hades that I will support PeTA.
Members stole a dog off of a porch and had it euthanized. The dog belong to a family on the Eastern Shore of Virginia. Employees went and picked up cats from a shelter in North Carolina. They euthanized them and put them in a dumpster. Their defense was that the cats were their property. This is what they're trying take away from the rest of us.
PeTA wants to end all animal ownership and have all of us become vegan. I, personally, have a health problem that requires me to have extremely high protein requirements. Eating animal products is the best way for me to need those needs. I eat a good amount of beans and peanut butter. At least once a day I eat some sort of animal product. It's often an egg or 2 from my chickens.
 
There is no way in Hades that I will support PeTA.
Members stole a dog off of a porch and had it euthanized. The dog belong to a family on the Eastern Shore of Virginia. Employees went and picked up cats from a shelter in North Carolina. They euthanized them and put them in a dumpster. Their defense was that the cats were their property. This is what they're trying take away from the rest of us.
PeTA wants to end all animal ownership and have all of us become vegan. I, personally, have a health problem that requires me to have extremely high protein requirements. Eating animal products is the best way for me to need those needs. I eat a good amount of beans and peanut butter. At least once a day I eat some sort of animal product. It's often an egg or 2 from my chickens.
 
splashgirl45 said:
I wish PETA would get the Big Lick abolished, whilst I agree dressage and other high level horse sports needs sorting out at least the horses aren’t tortured like they are . I’ve only recently become aware of what they do to those horses and it’s way worse than horse racing etc
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Totally agree. I find it horrendous that something like the Big Lick is permitted in a so called ‘civilised’ country.
 
I cannot stand PETA, and of course they’re going to do that. They always will because they disagree with horses being ridden or owned. It’s up to us to convince the public that we can do better, that we do not have to abuse horses to compete them, and ultimately to not side with them.

If we can’t then we can say goodbye to the Olympics.
 
equinerebel said:
I It’s up to us to convince the public that we can do better, that we do not have to abuse horses to compete them, and ultimately to not side with them.
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Agreed.
The big problem with PETA is that there are too many extremists in the organisation and they have earned themselves a very bad reputation by being so hard-line and obnoxious. I've known some of them going crazy, screaming and shouting about sheep being shorn, for instance. They won't listen and there's no middle ground or compromise.

If I thought that PETA getting involved with the dressage issues would go even a small way to solving things, I'd be up for it even though I can't stand them.
But the chances are that they won't get taken seriously and won't have any impact at all...it could even have a negative impact and make it harder for people like us to voice our concerns and bring about change.
Once the 'cause' is associated with extremists, it could well make it more difficult to present a balanced, honest and fair argument.
 
Nancykitt said:
Agreed.
The big problem with PETA is that there are too many extremists in the organisation and they have earned themselves a very bad reputation by being so hard-line and obnoxious. I've known some of them going crazy, screaming and shouting about sheep being shorn, for instance. They won't listen and there's no middle ground or compromise.

If I thought that PETA getting involved with the dressage issues would go even a small way to solving things, I'd be up for it even though I can't stand them.
But the chances are that they won't get taken seriously and won't have any impact at all...it could even have a negative impact and make it harder for people like us to voice our concerns and bring about change.
Once the 'cause' is associated with extremists, it could well make it more difficult to present a balanced, honest and fair argument.
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This may well all be the case but the problem is people have tried/are trying to stand up for horses in a calm, rational way and have been comprehensively ignored - particularly by some of the riders, it would seem.
 
Burnttoast said:
This may well all be the case but the problem is people have tried/are trying to stand up for horses in a calm, rational way and have been comprehensively ignored - particularly by some of the riders, it would seem.
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Very true.

I wish I had the answer; I don't know if it would be possible to organise a high-profile, well-co-ordinated single campaign but there are numerous difficulties. And I doubt that 'big names' would want to be associated with it - but there may be some high-level competition riders who do feel strongly enough, I just don't know.
I do feel that the wider public (including the wider 'horsey' public) might be more willing to listen to experienced owners/riders than to an extremist animal rights organisation.
It's all pretty disheartening, really.
 
I have met several lots of animal rights protesters, they were hysterical and just shouted at me couldn't get a word in to explain it was not doing what they thought i was, the impression i got was of raving lunatics

I think we just have keep on banging away until those who can't see and those who don't want to see, can see, and realize how very wrong and evil it is to train with abuse and present horses and ride them in such a way that dressage has become a parody of what it should be

Keep on and wear them down, the fei, judges, riders, let them know we don't like what we see, speak out, when they call us happy hackers or keyboard warriors just carry on quietly or loudly pointing out what is wrong and do it for the horses sake
 
Nancykitt said:
Very true.

I wish I had the answer; I don't know if it would be possible to organise a high-profile, well-co-ordinated single campaign but there are numerous difficulties. And I doubt that 'big names' would want to be associated with it - but there may be some high-level competition riders who do feel strongly enough, I just don't know.
I do feel that the wider public (including the wider 'horsey' public) might be more willing to listen to experienced owners/riders than to an extremist animal rights organisation.
It's all pretty disheartening, really.
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Yes hard to disagree with your last sentence.

I'm not sure that the public see horse people as without a vested interest, though. The recent survey that revealed that the public are already a lot less tolerant of what horses put up with in the name of sport than horse people are just brings horse people's conflict of interest into sharp relief.
 
Burnttoast said:
Yes hard to disagree with your last sentence.

I'm not sure that the public see horse people as without a vested interest, though. The recent survey that revealed that the public are already a lot less tolerant of what horses put up with in the name of sport than horse people are just brings horse people's conflict of interest into sharp relief.
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Indeed. The call is coming from inside the house.

Not necessarily this house (the forum) but certainly a lot of the horsey community are completely entrenched in physical punishment as their primary training tool and, to reference post above, will absolutely rave like lunatics if you suggest there might be another way.
 
Read somewhere that with the introduction of the new noseband tightness gauge and inspections bridles are already being produced with a gap/space in the padding over the top of the nose where the gauge will be inserted to check tightness.

At the moment these bridles are legal. I hope that the FEI get to grips quickly and bans these nosebands designed solely to keep the horrid tied down pressure on horses' noses despite the new test gauge.

The riders using these evasive nosebands also ought to receive sanction.
 
reynold said:
Read somewhere that with the introduction of the new noseband tightness gauge and inspections bridles are already being produced with a gap/space in the padding over the top of the nose where the gauge will be inserted to check tightness.

At the moment these bridles are legal. I hope that the FEI get to grips quickly and bans these nosebands designed solely to keep the horrid tied down pressure on horses' noses despite the new test gauge.

The riders using these evasive nosebands also ought to receive sanction.
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Urgh. These people are gross.
 
Even just by having a lot of padding/structure on your noseband the gauge passes easier through. Pretty sure the FEI were told moving padding around would be a thing but as usual they're on the back foot about it. Not sure you can sanction riders when they haven't broken a rule.
 
reynold said:
Read somewhere that with the introduction of the new noseband tightness gauge and inspections bridles are already being produced with a gap/space in the padding over the top of the nose where the gauge will be inserted to check tightness.

At the moment these bridles are legal. I hope that the FEI get to grips quickly and bans these nosebands designed solely to keep the horrid tied down pressure on horses' noses despite the new test gauge.

The riders using these evasive nosebands also ought to receive sanction.
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They should ban crank nosebands too.
 
Seeing what that horrid woman did to that poor horse has given me an idea.

Every year or two Grand Prix dressage riders should have to demonstrate that the horse(s) can do the needed moves without a bridle. Not a whole test but maybe piaffe, flying changes, stuff like that.

It won't work because of expense, but still.
 
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