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Gloi said:
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😧 What on earth is she trying to achieve besides giving the horse a nervous breakdown.
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It's not relaxation you stupid ***** it's STRESS!! Honestly, she's just torturing that poor horse. Imagine making an animal afraid of its food. What is wrong with these people?
 
sbloom said:
OneHorseLife, often feted as a great example of equestrianism. I've been pilloried when commenting negatively on some of the work they show. They've also been slated for the way they deal with customers.
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oh my GOD 😭

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FieldOrnaments said:
Well she's also offering distance energy readings which says it all really

Humans suck
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I know someone very lovely who offers the same but doesn't abuse horses...and seems to get positive results...so I'm reserving judgement on that bit. I do however disagree with much of the gushing that she gets in the comments, there are often flaws with the work...and we should never throw out the baby with the bathwater so we should accept less than perfect work if it's going in the right direction...but where the flaw is fundamental (lack of relaxation, flooding etc)...
 
sbloom said:
I know someone very lovely who offers the same but doesn't abuse horses...and seems to get positive results...so I'm reserving judgement on that bit. I do however disagree with much of the gushing that she gets in the comments, there are often flaws with the work...and we should never throw out the baby with the bathwater so we should accept less than perfect work if it's going in the right direction...but where the flaw is fundamental (lack of relaxation, flooding etc)...
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Have you watched the video of the horse being hit with the lunging whip when it eats from a food dish that it has been given? This is now some sort of training strategy?

For me, whatever gobbledegook you wrap this up with, it's a sadist abusing a horse for their own pleasure. Part of that pleasure for the trainer is in coersing others to abuse horses as well.
 
nutjob said:
Have you watched the video of the horse being hit with the lunging whip when it eats from a food dish that it has been given? This is now some sort of training strategy?

For me, whatever gobbledegook you wrap this up with, it's a sadist abusing a horse for their own pleasure. Part of that pleasure for the trainer is in coersing others to abuse horses as well.
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Isn't that the video linked to above (that started the conversation about them?)? Yes, I have. I have no idea what it is apart from abusive and nothing to do with understanding how horses learn. Healthily.
 
Gloi said:
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First of all Thankyou for putting the link up, secondly could I encourage others to watch it and make their feeling felt…
Who in their right mind with any affection for animals encourages a horse to move forward and eat from a food trug and when said horse does that, that person gives one “gentle” pull on lunge line and when horse does not move hits the horse (in my opinion)” hard with the lunge whip….
She says it is to teach submission…..
It looks such a nice gentle horse, as I said I want to weep…because I am not in a position to meet this person and tell her exactly what my feelings are…
 
It does not teach it submission, submission is a wonderful place in training and riding that combines trust, confidence and a horse giving itself up to its work because it has total faith in its rider and feels safe and knows 100 per cent what it is doing

What that woman is doing is destroying all those things

I agree it looks a very sweet horse.

This is one reason i wont breed any more horses, i dont want highly intelligent, brave , bold, kind and generously willing horses to be subjected to the savagery of total morons
 
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This is like a whole new level of sick sadism :mad:
 
tristars said:
I think we need to make interactions happy times for horses, reward the smallest compliance and learn to read what they are trying to tell us
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I agree completely - every second of time you're with them you are training them whether it's conscious or not and they learn from every experience they have with us
 
tristars said:
I think we need to make interactions happy times for horses, reward the smallest compliance and learn to read what they are trying to tell us
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Absolutely. People probably roll their eyes at me gushing at my horses, but I want to tell them when they are doing the right thing.
When they walk nicely to the field I tell them “this is nice, thank you”
When I knew they were wound up in the field and I asked them to be nice to me as I brought them in…they were actually good as gold so once in their stables I went in and told them “thank you” (not just a pat and a treat, a formal thank you lol)
And I find that the nicer I am to them, the nicer they are to me 🥰
 
little_critter said:
Absolutely. People probably roll their eyes at me gushing at my horses, but I want to tell them when they are doing the right thing.
When they walk nicely to the field I tell them “this is nice, thank you”
When I knew they were wound up in the field and I asked them to be nice to me as I brought them in…they were actually good as gold so once in their stables I went in and told them “thank you” (not just a pat and a treat, a formal thank you lol)
And I find that the nicer I am to them, the nicer they are to me 🥰
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Well do you know i do exactly that

I say thank you a lot, quite pleased they did not stand on my foot, nip me, or just walked in quietly, or one day when was hangin off the side about to part company with newly backed spook who just pulled up and waited patiently for me to fall to the ground gracefully while he stood like a rock.

Sure they understand many word meanings.....that are not even their language, does that make them bi lingual
 
tristars said:
Well do you know i do exactly that

I say thank you a lot, quite pleased they did not stand on my foot, nip me, or just walked in quietly, or one day when was hangin off the side about to part company with newly backed spook who just pulled up and waited patiently for me to fall to the ground gracefully while he stood like a rock.

Sure they understand many word meanings.....that are not even their language, does that make them bi lingual
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Even if they don’t understand the words I’m sure they understand the intent behind them.
 
It doesn't really matter what words you use it's more the tone of voice and that you are consistent in using the same sound/word/phrase to mean the same thing. Also your body language in the form of stance and movement.

All the horses I've had know that when I growl 'oi' they shouldn't be doing whatever. It's the sharp tone in my voice.

Even my current WHW rescue who knew nothing when I got her at the age of 14, 6 years ago, was still trainable for everything from grooming to sprays and wormers. No problem with any of them now (but my treat bill was astronomical for a bit!!)

The only thing I never pushed her to accept was clipping or teeth without sedation. She is basically very 'wary' and I don't want to destroy her trust by pushing her that far. That is again part of the 'training' - both ridden and handling - to recognise when the horse has reached or - even better - is merely tending towards - their limit.

Not all horses are able or willing to do all jobs. I always tried to figure out what 'job' each individual was able/willing to do and help them to do that well as they could. My current rescue's job is to be my friend and accept lots of cuddles when I'm around.

Part of the problem with the abuse is that people are trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. Just because it's got xyz breeding doesn't mean that said horse is able to do GP dressage or jump 1.60m.
 
reynold said:
It doesn't really matter what words you use it's more the tone of voice and that you are consistent in using the same sound/word/phrase to mean the same thing. Also your body language in the form of stance and movement.

All the horses I've had know that when I growl 'oi' they shouldn't be doing whatever. It's the sharp tone in my voice.

The only thing I never pushed her to accept was clipping or teeth without sedation. She is basically very 'wary' and I don't want to destroy her trust by pushing her that far. That is again part of the 'training' - both ridden and handling - to recognise when the horse has reached or - even better - is merely tending towards - their limit.

Not all horses are able or willing to do all jobs.

Part of the problem with the abuse is that people are trying to fit a round peg into a square hole. Just because it's got xyz breeding doesn't mean that said horse is able to do GP dressage or jump 1.60m.
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We bought a really well bred youngster many years ago from proper eventing lines and a rrputable event yard. He was dreadful at xc. Amazing dressage and ok SJ but cantered slowly round xc carefully avoiding all the jumps despite a determined rider😂. He wasnt beaten round the course. He was given a few opportunities to do better which showed he didn't have an eventing brain. "Give him a good slap gee him up a bit" etc didn't help(pony club instructor) so daughter decided she either sold him or got better at dressage. They did well together for quite a while at dressage until he was injured. Ironically a local well known person commented the first time he saw him " I bet that events really well"😂 My rep asly was sadly not. 😂. You just have to adjust as Reynolds says.
 
little_critter said:
Absolutely. People probably roll their eyes at me gushing at my horses, but I want to tell them when they are doing the right thing.
When they walk nicely to the field I tell them “this is nice, thank you”
When I knew they were wound up in the field and I asked them to be nice to me as I brought them in…they were actually good as gold so once in their stables I went in and told them “thank you” (not just a pat and a treat, a formal thank you lol)
And I find that the nicer I am to them, the nicer they are to me 🥰
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I do the exact same with my two lads - Baggs is my 20 year old who had a not so nice start to life, and whilst I've had him for over 10 years, every time he does something nicely/ the right thing I am after, he gets lots of scratches, a cuddle and a verbal thank you or good boy.

Rabbit who is my 3 year old and will be being backed this year absolutely adores verbal praise and a good scratch - the other day I was teaching him to yield his hindquarters away and to me, and with each attempt, he got a "Oh what a good lad!", lots of scratches and a massive cuddle and kiss when he nailed it perfectly in each direction. The result - I asked him the last night to do the same exercise at liberty and he did so beautifully, didn't care for the treats I had, was more interested in a good old snuggle ❤️

I also reward them for any attempt at trying to understand what I'm asking - I find they're more eager to look for the correct thing, rather than being left to guess at what we want.....

We need to always remember to say thank you to our horses - they don't owe us anything and we owe them everything 💜
 
FieldOrnaments said:
I agree completely - every second of time you're with them you are training them whether it's conscious or not and they learn from every experience they have with us
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This is true but it is also true that they will be training us too. I have a pony here who has taught me how he'd like things to be. He's been here 15+ years now and has got me very well trained 😄
 
All these 'online courses' honestly baffle me a bit - are people just cashing in on a generation of over-thinkers (from a positive place, as I believe people do care about their horses wellbeing physically and mentally more these days than perhaps more old-school attitudes), or have we ended up somehow with a pandemic of horse-owners who lack basic horsemanship? and why? Is it people "buying in" to horse ownership more these days rather than the way many of us grew up earning our crust and learning from much more experiences horsemen/women? is that driven by the rising cost of buying and keeping horses, meaning people aren't coming in 'from the ground up' anymore?

i don't overthink any interaction I have with my horses. If they are polite, I am neutral. If they are bolshy or over-step the mark then my body language and energy instinctively hardens. If they are worried, then my energy softens to reassure them. My horses get rewarded for anything I feel they have inconvenienced themselves to do for me, and in return they are more willing to try next time - why make life hard for yourself forcing a horse to do something when you can have an enthusiastic partner on-board? I have never raised my hand to them, but they understand a growl means get-back-in-line with no fear attached, just a quiet, mutual respect. Of course I do not consider myself the panacea of horse training, in fact the opposite, I feel like these are just basic behaviours all horse owners (should) have, without having to watch a 75-part paid YouTube course.
 
KikiDee said:
All these 'online courses' honestly baffle me a bit - are people just cashing in on a generation of over-thinkers (from a positive place, as I believe people do care about their horses wellbeing physically and mentally more these days than perhaps more old-school attitudes), or have we ended up somehow with a pandemic of horse-owners who lack basic horsemanship? and why? Is it people "buying in" to horse ownership more these days rather than the way many of us grew up earning our crust and learning from much more experiences horsemen/women? is that driven by the rising cost of buying and keeping horses, meaning people aren't coming in 'from the ground up' anymore?

i don't overthink any interaction I have with my horses. If they are polite, I am neutral. If they are bolshy or over-step the mark then my body language and energy instinctively hardens. If they are worried, then my energy softens to reassure them. My horses get rewarded for anything I feel they have inconvenienced themselves to do for me, and in return they are more willing to try next time - why make life hard for yourself forcing a horse to do something when you can have an enthusiastic partner on-board? I have never raised my hand to them, but they understand a growl means get-back-in-line with no fear attached, just a quiet, mutual respect. Of course I do not consider myself the panacea of horse training, in fact the opposite, I feel like these are just basic behaviours all horse owners (should) have, without having to watch a 75-part paid YouTube course.
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I don't think it's equine industry specific. There are similar plagues of subscription based online courses for all sorts of things these days.

Personally, I got roped in to the TRT thing when I first got Sadie and honestly, was panicking a bit. I didn't have access to my old instructor, the instructors I did have access to were not working the way I wanted to work. It wasn't very useful tbh but it did give me something to lean on a little bit while I got my footing and was a little half step towards something "different" that eventually lead to positive reinforcement stuff.

I have chatted about this kind of thing with my current instructor, and she made the valid point that Parelli has been around for many many years longer than internet based subscription services and is/was essentially the same thing. It just used to be books and DVDs instead of pre-recorded webinars.
 
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