CDJ withdrawn from paris

I have been following this thread, in quiet disblief, despair, and also confusion.

I am at the very (VERY) lower levels of dressage. I had ONE trainer many years ago I stopped going to because she was keen on repetitive 20m circles, and a bit af a 'drilling' approach (she was and is successful herself). Since then, every trainer (bar one who I also didn't return to) has emphasised leg into soft hands, using the reins very minimally, not worrying about head position/outline but instead concentrating on the hind legs and working over the back etc. I have been encouraged to develop softness, harmony, self carrriage. One of my trainers is a judge. Yes I am choosey about who I have lessons with or go to clinics with, but where is all this rubbish training at higher levels coming from?
 
You also have to be receptive to it and understand that proper coaching will involve time and commitment from you the rider, probably doing a lot of "boring" stuff that makes you feel like you're not getting anywhere in between the occasional eureka moment. Most riders want results within a 45 minute lesson and that's what most coaches attempt to give them because otherwise riders go elsewhere.

Speaking as someone who gave up coaching because ⬆⬆⬆⬆
 
Rowreach said:
You also have to be receptive to it and understand that proper coaching will involve time and commitment from you the rider, probably doing a lot of "boring" stuff that makes you feel like you're not getting anywhere in between the occasional eureka moment. Most riders want results within a 45 minute lesson and that's what most coaches attempt to give them because otherwise riders go elsewhere.

Speaking as someone who gave up coaching because ⬆⬆⬆⬆
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I remember when a top trainer 25 years ago took me on. I was eventing at pre novice and pretty good (I thought).

She didn’t let me out of walk for the first few lessons. I was not at all happy, but I’m stubborn so stuck with it. But then people did more in those days.

She put my strong horse in a snaffle. I said I wouldn’t be able to hold him. She said well you’ll need to learn not to need to hold him then.

Gradually she taught me to recognise and removed my bad habits. By the time I moved away and had to stop training with her….i really WAS good!
But that was a long time ago and I’m not now 🤣

But even 20 odd years ago, and even completely behind closed doors - she NEVER pushed my horse to make him unhappy, never needed to chase him with a stick, never called him names or said he was naughty. It was always positive.
 
Rowreach said:
You also have to be receptive to it and understand that proper coaching will involve time and commitment from you the rider, probably doing a lot of "boring" stuff that makes you feel like you're not getting anywhere in between the occasional eureka moment. Most riders want results within a 45 minute lesson and that's what most coaches attempt to give them because otherwise riders go elsewhere.

Speaking as someone who gave up coaching because ⬆⬆⬆⬆
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Fair enough and I can be patient but some coaches can be poor and in my case I noticed that my mare,normally very tolerant really did dislike her.
 
eahotson said:
Fair enough and I can be patient but some coaches can be poor and in my case I noticed that my mare,normally very tolerant really did dislike her.
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I would always trust any of my pets' opinions of other people! If the dogs don't like someone, or the ponies, or the cats, then I don't, usually. They're very good judges of people IMO.
 
Fei decision: suspended for one year and £8,896 fine

FEI imposes one year suspension on Charlotte Dujardin

The FEI has suspended British Dressage athlete Charlotte Dujardin for one year and imposed a fine of CHF 10,000, effectively concluding the disciplinary proceedings against her. Dujardin has been provisionally suspended since 23 July 2024 for engaging in conduct contrary to the principles of...
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eahotson said:
Well at least she knows where she stands now.When does the ban start from?Seems fair.
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Ban includes time served so will be to July next year. Basically a nice long maternity leave for her 😡

ETA BD may impose a longer ban as I think they were waiting to see what the FEI said. Although they may well hide behind it and choose to implement the same.
 
ElleSkywalkingintheair said:
Ban includes time served so will be to July next year. Basically a nice long maternity leave for her 😡

ETA BD may impose a longer ban as I think they were waiting to see what the FEI said. Although they may well hide behind it and choose to implement the same.
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Well she has missed the Olympics and lost some horses and owners.We will have to see what happens about that.I did not like what she did but I do think punishments have to be proportionate and to be honest I don't sadly think she is the worst.Also to compete at the level she did,unless you have a very substantial income you need owners/sponsors and have to keep them happy which might lead to you doing some uncomfortable things.
Cortex,who used to comment regularly on here says that when she found out what you had to do to compete at top level dressage she decided not to continue.
 
eahotson said:
Well she has missed the Olympics and lost some horses and owners.We will have to see what happens about that.I did not like what she did but I do think punishments have to be proportionate and to be honest I don't sadly think she is the worst.Also to compete at the level she did,unless you have a very substantial income you need owners/sponsors and have to keep them happy which might lead to you doing some uncomfortable things.
Cortex,who used to comment regularly on here says that when she found out what you had to do to compete at top level dressage she decided not to continue.
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Cortez
 
eahotson said:
Well she has missed the Olympics and lost some horses and owners.We will have to see what happens about that.I did not like what she did but I do think punishments have to be proportionate and to be honest I don't sadly think she is the worst.Also to compete at the level she did,unless you have a very substantial income you need owners/sponsors and have to keep them happy which might lead to you doing some uncomfortable things.
Cortex,who used to comment regularly on here says that when she found out what you had to do to compete at top level dressage she decided not to continue.
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I felt the same but with showjumping. The things i saw were just truly awful and at no point did i ever want to continue that journey. Now have my lovely horses as overgrown pets, yes i still compete but all on my terms at my own pace and enjoy the journey we are on. There are "riders" who do regular demos who i wouldn't let ride my bike yet you see them weekly held up as these amazing people. I think what CDJ did was terrible, but i also think she was used as a scapegoat and hung out to dry. At no time do i endorse anything she did. i am not not a fan of her style of riding, but i believe that it was used as a front to cover up lots of other bad stuff that goes on. I should think many riders were delighted that it wasn't them being held to account.
 
KC31 said:
I felt the same but with showjumping. The things i saw were just truly awful and at no point did i ever want to continue that journey. Now have my lovely horses as overgrown pets, yes i still compete but all on my terms at my own pace and enjoy the journey we are on. There are "riders" who do regular demos who i wouldn't let ride my bike yet you see them weekly held up as these amazing people. I think what CDJ did was terrible, but i also think she was used as a scapegoat and hung out to dry. At no time do i endorse anything she did. i am not not a fan of her style of riding, but i believe that it was used as a front to cover up lots of other bad stuff that goes on. I should think many riders were delighted that it wasn't them being held to account.
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Well said.Can't disagree with a word of that.Julie Hanson Taylor, the author of the book "I can't bear to watch anymore" said it made her sick to her stomache the number of people who do far worse throwing Charlotte under a bus.She is no fan of Charlottes or dressage compeition.
 
KC31 said:
I felt the same but with showjumping. The things i saw were just truly awful and at no point did i ever want to continue that journey. Now have my lovely horses as overgrown pets, yes i still compete but all on my terms at my own pace and enjoy the journey we are on. There are "riders" who do regular demos who i wouldn't let ride my bike yet you see them weekly held up as these amazing people. I think what CDJ did was terrible, but i also think she was used as a scapegoat and hung out to dry. At no time do i endorse anything she did. i am not not a fan of her style of riding, but i believe that it was used as a front to cover up lots of other bad stuff that goes on. I should think many riders were delighted that it wasn't them being held to account.
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Totally agree! I had thought eventers were on the better end, but having my eyes opened recently on methods there, I have come to the decision that top riders in horse sport do a lot of things I wouldn't be comfortable with. Has saddened me greatly but I will carry on with mine training in a way I am happy with.
 
eahotson said:
Well she has missed the Olympics and lost some horses and owners.We will have to see what happens about that.I did not like what she did but I do think punishments have to be proportionate and to be honest I don't sadly think she is the worst.Also to compete at the level she did,unless you have a very substantial income you need owners/sponsors and have to keep them happy which might lead to you doing some uncomfortable things.
Cortex,who used to comment regularly on here says that when she found out what you had to do to compete at top level dressage she decided not to continue.
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Was her 'punishment' to the horse proportionate do you think? It's irrelevant whether she's the worst or not either. It's not a race to the bottom.
 
KC31 said:
I felt the same but with showjumping. The things i saw were just truly awful and at no point did i ever want to continue that journey. Now have my lovely horses as overgrown pets, yes i still compete but all on my terms at my own pace and enjoy the journey we are on. There are "riders" who do regular demos who i wouldn't let ride my bike yet you see them weekly held up as these amazing people. I think what CDJ did was terrible, but i also think she was used as a scapegoat and hung out to dry. At no time do i endorse anything she did. i am not not a fan of her style of riding, but i believe that it was used as a front to cover up lots of other bad stuff that goes on. I should think many riders were delighted that it wasn't them being held to account.
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I don't think she's been used as a scapegoat at all. She (along with Carl) differentiated herself with her usp of doing things differently and centring horse welfare. She made herself very rich on the back of all that. She was the face of Brook charity. This is all her own doing. She's the author of this misfortune.
 
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