CDJ withdrawn from paris

[Crazy_cat_lady]

Why does the H&H fb page keep turning off comments, especially now the outcome is decided?

 

[Amymay Again]

Sorry. Misunderstood.

 

[ester]

You can on hh dressage not the general hh page - same posts

 

[photo_jo]

They are generally mostly disappointing. I never forget reading about a top eventer who lost their stallion to colic. Even though the poor horse must have been in agony they got out the AI guys to take semen from him before they put him to sleep. That truly appalled me. I get that they are a valuable "asset" but would that be your first thought at that point in time and would you prolong the inevitable for that reason? Put me right off them.

A friend had his 4yo colt cut - good breeding so had hoped to use him - they gelded him and then harvested semen from his testicles - he has a son of his now and the rest is frozen so it would have been possible to put down the horse and then harvest - whether or not they did is another matter. One of the big AI centres experimented with eggs in the same way - they took ovaries from mares that had been put down at an abattoir - so after they were dead - and then did icsi - I went to photograph the resulting foals. It was for the future if a mare was injured/coliced and had to be put down they could keep the bloodlines

 

[teddy_]

And she never once apologised or even acknowledged the horse she abused in her 'statement', which speaks volumes. She's just as bad as the rest of them.

Because that would be an admission of guilt. She does not believe she is guilty; hence alluding to the behaviour being out of character.

 

[Equi]

Don’t forget the pr will have proofed it.

 

[Janique]

It might be a stupid questions but she has been fined 10'000 euros and I wonder where the money will go ?

Is it going into the FEI's pocket ? They seems to have plenty of money already tbh.

Really hoping that it will go to charity like Spana or the RSPCA !

Any ideas anyone ?

 

[Foxford]

It might be a stupid questions but she has been fined 10'000 euros and I wonder where the money will go ?

Is it going into the FEI's pocket ? They seems to have plenty of money already tbh.

Really hoping that it will go to charity like Spana or the RSPCA !

Any ideas anyone ?

I assume it would go towards the cost of their investigation/lawyers etc.

 

[PoppyAnderson]

They are generally mostly disappointing. I never forget reading about a top eventer who lost their stallion to colic. Even though the poor horse must have been in agony they got out the AI guys to take semen from him before they put him to sleep. That truly appalled me. I get that they are a valuable "asset" but would that be your first thought at that point in time and would you prolong the inevitable for that reason? Put me right off them.

Piggy March and the stallion was still alive when the emergency extraction was done.

 

[piglet2001]

Piggy March and the stallion was still alive when the emergency extraction was done.

The horse was most definitely not alive. A horse with colic is not going to jump on a dummy. He was PTS, testicles removed and the semen then harvested off the testicles.

 

[teapot]

It was quoted as being an emergency epididymal semen extraction

 

[druid]

It was quoted as being an emergency epididymal semen extraction

That's a post mortem (or post castration) procedure done on testes in a lab.

 

[teapot]

That's a post mortem (or post castration) procedure done on testes in a lab.

Indeed, simply pointing out that the horse was probably not alive and kicking at the time of the harvest as others were suggesting.

 

[kathantoinette]

Removed to include quote below.

 

[kathantoinette]

The comments on that thread are utterly depressing (in general).

God I hate 'people'

I actually wonder if negative comments are being removed. I literally found none when I ready the comments earlier which I found hard to believe.

 

[Supertrooper]

Piggy March and the stallion was still alive when the emergency extraction was done.

I also found this very distasteful

 

[canteron]

I wonder if she will come back to competitive dressage at all. It wouldn’t surprise me if she steps away quietly.

My hope - which I am sadly sure won’t happen - would be if she used her notoriety to say sorry, she has slipped into bad ways in line with many others and really start to advocate and campaign for good practice and ethical training.

But I think I will just have to dream on.

 

[PurpleSpots]

I also found this very distasteful

Me too, and I feel awful that someone who clearly knew about the reality of the situation had to come on the forum and state what actually happened - which sounded far more plausible than the suspicions voiced in this post you've quoted and in some earlier comments, but nevertheless was a great relief to read.

Perhaps the incorrect statements and suspicions could be amended/deleted?

 

[Tiddlypom]

In the case that I know of the owner was definitely trying to get the seriously ill/dying stallion teased to produce semen. The owner (now deceased) was something of a fruit loop. Albeit a very posh one with connections in very high places .

The owner being referred to in this thread from 2017.

Welfare case - what more can we do?

Horses belonging to a local well known stud are in a pretty bad way (if you know where I am you might put two and two together) and have been being actioned by welfare organisations since I reported them before Christmas. This isn't the first time either. They are neglected, bad feet, deep muddy...

forums.horseandhound.co.uk

 

[honetpot]

You also have to be receptive to it and understand that proper coaching will involve time and commitment from you the rider, probably doing a lot of "boring" stuff that makes you feel like you're not getting anywhere in between the occasional eureka moment. Most riders want results within a 45 minute lesson and that's what most coaches attempt to give them because otherwise riders go elsewhere.

Speaking as someone who gave up coaching because ⬆⬆⬆⬆

I just wish people would read more, and not something that has been written by someone who has a idea to push. I taught my self mainly to ride through books, when I couldn't afford lessons, and when I did it was often on riding school ponies in a group of perhaps twenty, it was a big riding school. I couldn't understand why the dealers ponies I rode couldn't or wouldn't do what I wanted, so back to books so I could teach myself to teach them what I wanted.

When I eventually had lessons as a working pupil where horse education was based on now what is now seen as old fashioned basics, it was all backed up by classic equestrian books, and the core of training has never changed. Now you may not agree with all of what is written, and TBH I was reading far above my riding skill, but it does give you critical thinking about what ever process is in front of you, so you can ask questions and if who ever is teaching you can not give you thought out logical answer and not get angry and defensive then perhaps they are not a good teacher. When you teach the best thing ever is having a question that makes you think, and perhaps see another way.
As my daughters grew up with friends with ponies who were natural athletes, I saw one jump off her pony at canter and land on her feet at canter, you realise that everyone has different capabilities, but what good teaching does is enable to find out what works for you. A rider who has natural ability will have never understand how it feels to not have that level of control of their body. This is why I am not keen on other people riding your horse, because as soon as you get on the horse you communication system slightly different, a bit like the old Morcombe and Wise joke, all the right notes but not necessary in the right order, until one of the partnership twigs what or how they need to being asked.

 

[paisley]

My hope - which I am sadly sure won’t happen - would be if she used her notoriety to say sorry, she has slipped into bad ways in line with many others and really start to advocate and campaign for good practice and ethical training.

But I think I will just have to dream on.

It’s likely to be a little while before a return to any competitions (never mind major ones) what with pregnancy. I can’t see it happening until another year at least, if not longer.

 

[j1ffy]

It’s likely to be a little while before a return to any competitions (never mind major ones) what with pregnancy. I can’t see it happening until another year at least, if not longer.

She’s due in February and it’s not unusual for riders to be back out competing within three months if they’ve had a simple birth! I seem to remember Jessica b-w was back competing quickly after her last child.

Being self-employed, riders need to keep their profile high and money coming in so I guess they don’t feel they can take extended maternity leave. Of course CDJ might take a different view given all that’s happened, and the likely savings she probably has.

 

[pistolpete]

So when does her ban end? Would be very convenient if it’s not long after second child!

 

[Gingerwitch]

The comments on that thread are utterly depressing (in general).

God I hate 'people'

Omg - I know some of these supportive posters, and some are coaches omg

 

[scats]

I didn’t think much of CDJs statement, though I suppose there’s not much she can say really.
I just felt it was very robotic and unfeeling.

But I imagine her priorities now, rightly, are her daughter and the impending new arrival.

 

[pistolpete]

I didn’t think much of CDJs statement, though I suppose there’s not much she can say really.
I just felt it was very robotic and unfeeling.

But I imagine her priorities now, rightly, are her daughter and the impending new arrival.

She’s a heartless #####. I pity the kids!

 

[JenJ]

She’s a heartless #####. I pity the kids!

That seems a bit unfair. We have no idea what she is like as a mother.

 

[pistolpete]

That seems a bit unfair. We have no idea what she is like as a mother.

Maybe it is unfair but after everything she’s said and done it’s all about her! Still no real remorse as far as I can see. I don’t give a stuff about her reproducing!

 

[paisley]

She’s due in February and it’s not unusual for riders to be back out competing within three months if they’ve had a simple birth! I seem to remember Jessica b-w was back competing quickly after her last child.

Being self-employed, riders need to keep their profile high and money coming in so I guess they don’t feel they can take extended maternity leave. Of course CDJ might take a different view given all that’s happened, and the likely savings she probably has.

I agree , it’s not unheard of, but that assumes riding every day, and competing a high level for as long as possible (I’m old enough to remember Mary King competing when pregnant ). Given the timing, it would be six months minimum before possibly competing again.

 

[Sleighfarer]

When CDJ had her first child she was back competing within three months. I saw her in Windsor, trim as you like, marching through the town in her white breeches with the baby in the pram.