CDJ withdrawn from paris

[ramsaybailey]

The argument of comparing pros to amateurs drives me insane. 1. This thread is about CDJ and professionals 2. Just because amateurs have their issues doesn't mean we should ignore or accept the behaviour from professionals.

This sort of attitude is what I see from so many professionals and it's infuriating. Pointing out someone else's wrongs is totally irrelevant to the issue.

 

[scats]

Of course there are countless everyday rider/owner treating horses in ways that is not acceptable. I’m not sure what vlog LEC is referring to, but plenty of these influencers do get called out. The large girl on the nice dressage horses, for instance.

The fact that so many pros don’t seem to think there was any issue with what CDJ did makes me feel quite sad, but not altogether surprised.
The issue is that it’s the pros that are in the spotlight. They are going to be the ones making or breaking the sport in the eyes of the general public, not the lady down the road who over rugs and and over feeds.

So as much as we need to address welfare across the board, we absolutely must address it at the top when it rears its head.

 

[Rowreach]

The argument of comparing pros to amateurs drives me insane. 1. This thread is about CDJ and professionals 2. Just because amateurs have their issues doesn't mean we should ignore or accept the behaviour from professionals.

This sort of attitude is what I see from so many professionals and it's infuriating. Pointing out someone else's wrongs is totally irrelevant to the issue.

Yup, it's like saying there's no point in going after multi-million pound fraudsters because little Johnny nicks sweets from the corner shop.

 

[lme]

It’s not an argument about not calling out top riders it’s tarring every pro as bad as someone did. Why pick up on amateurs because they start throwing stones at glass houses when their own homes are built on sand.

The sad part is it will not make any difference. A lot of pros I have spoken to don’t think what Charlotte did was that bad and were expecting it to be far worse. They have just become more paranoid about videoing and how they present themselves. So ultimately all this is fracile. Which is why I get annoyed about people making a fuss about stupid stuff like spurs and biting etc when the underlying culture is the issue. There will be a new generation coming through who will be different in their training and management but it takes time. They also need to win with being kinder and better in their training as ultimately if you don’t win then nothing will change.

I have got to the point where I wouldn’t send a horse to a pro unless I knew them personally and was close enough to drop in regularly unannounced.

 

[Slightlyconfused]

I get your point, and amateur riding does need improvement, but I haven't ever seen deliberate (rather than ignorant) cruelty from amateurs like I have witnessed from pros (including much lauded riders)

Erm i have, from a 16 yr old girl who beat the poop out of her horse for moving while she was clipping, for not going in the wash box, for any number of things she thought he was doing on purpose.

Then she would threaten anyone who would call her up on it and her nan would make the excuse she was autistic, she had a bad childhood etc......she was asked to leave rhe yard and has been on a number of different ones since.

I have seen a lot of issues from amatures, because they try to copy their 'riding heros' and do not understand the training behind things just lob gadgets on, or stronger bits etc and think it would magically cure their riding....sorry their horses way of going

 

[teapot]

change is coming - Stockholm show had a riders meeting where the rules of welfare were laid out and explained by one of the best sjers in the world. Foreign riders were told what they were allowed and not allowed to do under Swedish rules. In Sweden you are not allowed to take your hand off the reins to smack the horse which is a good rule and then only once.

No sure if this is new or an amendment, but looks like BS are on it re two hands on reins for whip use on the shoulder:

https://www.britishshowjumping.co.uk/news/Rule-Amendments-for-2025

 

[splashgirl45]

No sure if this is new or an amendment, but looks like BS are on it re two hands on reins for whip use on the shoulder:

https://www.britishshowjumping.co.uk/news/Rule-Amendments-for-2025

Not as good as the Swedish rules as you can still smack them behind the leg with one hand on the reins so not much different to before just slightly different if using in the shoulder although I can’t recall anyone taking a hand off the reins to smack down the shoulder (unless I’ve led a sheltered life)