CDJ withdrawn from paris

I wrote to the FEI about the difficulty in finding disciplinary records for particular riders easily and I was sent a link to a page buried deep inside their website (naturally) that has no search facility. So I emailed again:

Dear Francisco,
Thank you for the link. I still feel that adding a section to rider profiles (from which 'time served' disciplinary actions were not removed) would perhaps concentrate the minds of those athletes who may on occasion let their feelings get the better of them (see, for example, the clips of Martin Fuchs currently circulating online), and would add to a sense of transparency that is slightly lacking at the moment, whether or not justifiably.
Best wishes,

and got this back

Dear ,
Many thanks for your suggestion which will be shared with the Legal Department for their consideration.
Kind regards,
Francisco

Hmm we'll see :rolleyes:
 
I had to give up riding 16 years ago due to health issues and decided to stop forcing my body when my horse was ready to retire at 16. (I still have a WHW companion pony so I'm still in a horsey environment.)

I used to do dressage and some fairly intensive hacking at the end of my riding life (showing, breeding, racing, etc. when I was younger). Although I schooled my horse at home up to Advanced I only competed at higher level riding club as my horse had suffered a fractured pelvis at age 5 and I decided then that I wouldn't push him to the higher intensity of BD. I only schooled the higher movements on days at home that he felt 'up' for it, both mentally and physically.

There are good and bad riders at all levels of horse riding and keeping but overall I feel that what the high level competition riders have mainly lost is the ability to listen to what their horse is telling them and also to be patient.

It's become more a case of 'horse feels unlevel' - let's inject its joints and keep going.
Horse is 'stressed' - fill it up with a calmer and keep going.
Horse bucks/rears/kicks out when tacked up or mounted - it's being naughty so dominate it and keep going.

There is more work being done lately on interpreting the horses body language. They do their best to tell us something is wrong and it is up to us to try and figure out what that is. Yes, vets and physios and saddlers can work miracles but sometimes time is the best healer.

Apart from not 'listening to the horse' the other factor behind the abuse we are seeing is the modern pressure for quick results. Horses in all the competitive sports are being pushed to higher level competition at younger ages when their breeding (warmblood) determines that they won't be physically mature until they are 7 or 8. (Racing is slightly different in that TBs do tend to mature around 4 or 5).

If the horse isn't physically mature enough to do what is being asked of it the modern competition rider seems to use tack/pressure to 'force' the horse to comply rather than the 'old school' way of do some work with the horse and then put away for a few months before bringing it back in and adding new stuff to the foundation work done previously.

Racing used to be good at having an 'off season' (winter for the flat horses, summer for the jumpers). Now however with the all weather tracks there is flat racing all year round and summer jump racing. The same applies to BD and BS with competitions all year round and now adding in the common flying of horses long distances around the world. BE is unique in still having a winter off season where the horses can get a break.

Sorry this has become a ramble but really what I'm saying is that in the modern competitive equestrian sport the 'art' of listening to the horse and giving it time has been lost. Instead it's pressure and speedy results, with abuse taking place as a direct result of the time pressures and the top riders having lost the mental connection with their horses that used to enable them to 'listen'.
 
Also I seriously doubt such as helgstand actually know how to teach a horse something by the proper route

Or they would not need the old boot polish and pollyfilla etc
 
What i don't get is all the traveling horses have to do, one day, they jump in Las Vegas during the night the they fly to lets' say
Aachen, stay 2 days and fly back somewhere else...

Even if these horses are athlètes, they have the same need of any old horse, the need to go outside in a field, friends and freedom....

No wonder, many of them get colics and die from it....

They have no routine, constantly changing stables, i guess, the positive thing in all that is that the grooms loves them and stay with them all day long.

Having the same caring person around probably make a big difference to them....
 
Horse bucks/rears/kicks out when tacked up or mounted - it's being naughty so dominate it and keep going.

Reynold,

That so reminds me of my time in riding with certain instructors and a particular clinician. It's also a lot like I trained my first GSD. And, now I'm crying thinking of that.

If I had had more knowledge when I was riding I'm sure that I would have done better.

At least a great deal of dog training has improved.
 
reynold said:
I had to give up riding 16 years ago due to health issues and decided to stop forcing my body when my horse was ready to retire at 16. (I still have a WHW companion pony so I'm still in a horsey environment.)

I used to do dressage and some fairly intensive hacking at the end of my riding life (showing, breeding, racing, etc. when I was younger). Although I schooled my horse at home up to Advanced I only competed at higher level riding club as my horse had suffered a fractured pelvis at age 5 and I decided then that I wouldn't push him to the higher intensity of BD. I only schooled the higher movements on days at home that he felt 'up' for it, both mentally and physically.

There are good and bad riders at all levels of horse riding and keeping but overall I feel that what the high level competition riders have mainly lost is the ability to listen to what their horse is telling them and also to be patient.

It's become more a case of 'horse feels unlevel' - let's inject its joints and keep going.
Horse is 'stressed' - fill it up with a calmer and keep going.
Horse bucks/rears/kicks out when tacked up or mounted - it's being naughty so dominate it and keep going.

There is more work being done lately on interpreting the horses body language. They do their best to tell us something is wrong and it is up to us to try and figure out what that is. Yes, vets and physios and saddlers can work miracles but sometimes time is the best healer.

Apart from not 'listening to the horse' the other factor behind the abuse we are seeing is the modern pressure for quick results. Horses in all the competitive sports are being pushed to higher level competition at younger ages when their breeding (warmblood) determines that they won't be physically mature until they are 7 or 8. (Racing is slightly different in that TBs do tend to mature around 4 or 5).

If the horse isn't physically mature enough to do what is being asked of it the modern competition rider seems to use tack/pressure to 'force' the horse to comply rather than the 'old school' way of do some work with the horse and then put away for a few months before bringing it back in and adding new stuff to the foundation work done previously.

Racing used to be good at having an 'off season' (winter for the flat horses, summer for the jumpers). Now however with the all weather tracks there is flat racing all year round and summer jump racing. The same applies to BD and BS with competitions all year round and now adding in the common flying of horses long distances around the world. BE is unique in still having a winter off season where the horses can get a break.

Sorry this has become a ramble but really what I'm saying is that in the modern competitive equestrian sport the 'art' of listening to the horse and giving it time has been lost. Instead it's pressure and speedy results, with abuse taking place as a direct result of the time pressures and the top riders having lost the mental connection with their horses that used to enable them to 'listen'.
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A few years ago I had a show round a rehab yard in Newmarket. They had a whole host of special treatments, all state of the art, latest technologies and science, pioneering stuff etc. I asked the manager what was the best. Without hesitation she answered ‘Turn away and give them time ‘ Never forgotten this.
 
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Sounds like she's reflected on what's happened and is full of resolve to do better by her horses and horses in general. Not.
 
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I can see getting tough on an animal if it is the alternative to having euthanized. But, in the name of sport, no.
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Really? There’s far worse fates for a horse than being PTS. The horse couldn’t care less if someone is being tough to ‘save it’.
It’s human ego, time and time again.
 
GSD Woman said:
After seeing the video and hearing the laughter in the background, WTF?! And what was she hoping to achieve by whipping the horse when and as much as she did?

I can see getting tough on an animal if it is the alternative to having euthanized. But, in the name of sport, no.
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Sorry, but that was exactly the argument Heath Ryan used to justify battering a horse 42 times :confused:
 
GSD Woman said:
After seeing the video and hearing the laughter in the background, WTF?! And what was she hoping to achieve by whipping the horse when and as much as she did?

I can see getting tough on an animal if it is the alternative to having euthanized. But, in the name of sport, no.
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I have seen people who didn't know any better 'get tough' and I know someone who has seen first hand professional horsemen beat the c!ap out a horse, and other things and if that is what it takes to get a horse to comply, because they haven't frozen or can not run away, because they often corner them do it, its more about anger and calculated abuse.
THB what CD did to her horse is nothing compared to what I saw as a teenager, but I knew it was wrong, no one had to tell me. This is not life saving, lets not dress it up.
 
honetpot said:
its more about anger and calculated abuse.
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Exactly. It's not a logical argument.

On bare bones, on paper, if you have an issue with a horse "not complying", who would advise someone to just hit them until they understand? Who would write that down as training advice? I hope nobody, and I've certainly never read it anywhere (except from sh*t-stirring dominance apes on FB looking for a reaction). So when it happens, it isn't training, it is a temper tantrum.
 
I still think a stud chain across the nose is "getting tough" but not abusive.

And, again, WTF with the original video? And someone in the background laughing.
 
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