Crazy_cat_lady
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Brown envelopes...
CDJ withdrawn from paris
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tristars
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I think I might just send her a copy of, now let's see, perhaps , the pony club manual
I'm Dun
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Everytime someone says how marvellous Carl is I feel a little bit sick. Because he knew, at the very least he knew and said nothing.
reynold
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What has happened to the aim of a still lower leg giving light aids into a lightly resisting and giving hand that I was taught 70 years ago, ironically by a disciplinarian ex-cavalry/military instructor? Plus riding to get the best the horse under you was capable of, not trying to force it to do something that it is either physically incapable of or mentally not ready/willing to do.
I don't think it's just the money that is driving this (although it is a big factor) but it is also the 'modern' social norm - driven by social media - that means people seem to solely aspire to be 'famous'. i.e. kids no longer wanting to be e.g. firemen (yeah - I know - fireperson), plumbers, etc. - real jobs. Now they just seem to want to be 'famous' such as 'influencers', pop stars, footballers, where mere 'fame' equates to megabucks (which CDJ certainly earned at the height of her fame with TV series, appearances, etc.).
The aim of obtaining a quick result to gain fame and money at the expense, in the equestrian world, of the welfare of the horses. So sad.
I don't think it's just the money that is driving this (although it is a big factor) but it is also the 'modern' social norm - driven by social media - that means people seem to solely aspire to be 'famous'. i.e. kids no longer wanting to be e.g. firemen (yeah - I know - fireperson), plumbers, etc. - real jobs. Now they just seem to want to be 'famous' such as 'influencers', pop stars, footballers, where mere 'fame' equates to megabucks (which CDJ certainly earned at the height of her fame with TV series, appearances, etc.).
The aim of obtaining a quick result to gain fame and money at the expense, in the equestrian world, of the welfare of the horses. So sad.
ester
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50K views · 379 reactions | Und dann wundert sich die FN, dass es pöse Kritiker gibt, die einfach alles "in den Dreck ziehen " wollen. Wollen die eigentlich gar nicht und müssten sie auch gar nicht, wenn sich "Spitzenreiter" nicht ihren Pferden geg
Und dann wundert sich die FN, dass es pöse Kritiker gibt, die einfach alles "in den Dreck ziehen " wollen. Wollen die eigentlich gar nicht und müssten sie auch gar nicht, wenn sich "Spitzenreiter"...
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smolmaus
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These people literally live on a different planet.
No other way.
No other way.
ramsaybailey
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Scary isn't. I think they truly believe all the nonsense they say!
tristars
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Oh gosh 'she's scared of everything and everyone'
Not surprising
She looks lame
Not surprising
She looks lame
reynold
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C Kukuk rode from 2012 to date for Ludger Beerbaum. The latter is heavily connected to Helgstrand. Need I say more ???
Kukuk is apparently setting up on his own to 'establish his own business'
The above article include the phrase "Everything I have learned in terms of sport, I learned from Ludger Beerbaum. He has played the biggest part in my riding and my successes"
Poor horses - again....
Kukuk is apparently setting up on his own to 'establish his own business'
The above article include the phrase "Everything I have learned in terms of sport, I learned from Ludger Beerbaum. He has played the biggest part in my riding and my successes"
Poor horses - again....
ester
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whatever the final result I just can’t get my head round deciding to ride like that in a public space, whatever you think your justification is it looks terrible and what it looks like is what matters atm, it’s almost like they don’t like/want to continue their own sport.
millitiger
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50K views · 379 reactions | Und dann wundert sich die FN, dass es pöse Kritiker gibt, die einfach alles "in den Dreck ziehen " wollen. Wollen die eigentlich gar nicht und müssten sie auch gar nicht, wenn sich "Spitzenreiter" nicht ihren Pferden geg
Und dann wundert sich die FN, dass es pöse Kritiker gibt, die einfach alles "in den Dreck ziehen " wollen. Wollen die eigentlich gar nicht und müssten sie auch gar nicht, wenn sich "Spitzenreiter"...
Is it just me or is the horse incredibly lame when it trots at the end?
Also I can't be clear, is the article saying Christophe Hess has criticised the rider and video? I hope so!
BurntontheoutsideTurkey
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Apparently, it's 'uneven' because it's 'tense'. Though I have seen many tense horses that were clearly sound as a pound, and of course pain does frequently increase horses' tension.
ester
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It’s not lame it’s tension, apparently
ester
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For clarity what I posted was the Facebook translation of a comment as google didn’t want to translate just the text.
I think they’re both justifying it/going with the oh just a bad moment with a hot sport horse vibe (from the other comments)
millitiger
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I’ve never seen a horse that bridle lame through tension, with such a clear head nod, but what do I know as a silly little amateur hey? 
And if Hess is justifying it, I am genuinely sad as I loved a demo he did teaching at Hartpury a few years ago.
He certainly ‘appeared’ to have a lot of empathy for the horse.
And if Hess is justifying it, I am genuinely sad as I loved a demo he did teaching at Hartpury a few years ago.
He certainly ‘appeared’ to have a lot of empathy for the horse.
tristars
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He is riding with his full weight in the back of the saddle while pulling her mouth to pieces
Matafleur
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Agreed, I've seen him teaching in demos a couple of times and it was always very horse friendly.I’ve never seen a horse that bridle lame through tension, with such a clear head nod, but what do I know as a silly little amateur hey?
And if Hess is justifying it, I am genuinely sad as I loved a demo he did teaching at Hartpury a few years ago.
He certainly ‘appeared’ to have a lot of empathy for the horse.
His comment isn't as damning as I would hope, perhaps something was lost in translation as he does seem to say the horsemanship is unacceptable. Or maybe that's just my personal bias giving me false hope!
NiceChristmasBaubles
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This is the article referenced in the FB comment..... https://reiter-pferde.de/christian-...3HGo4ea0DE2NfIzuiy_aem_OXvKTME1lL6h1C7MV-DGzw
Hit google translate if you need to to read it. I hadn't noticed the first time I watched it, as I was so horrified by the way he was sitting and tugging on the reins, but he is riding only with draw reins, and no regular reins. The article states the following (google translate version):
Draw reins are a familiar sight at the workplaces of show jumpers. However, Article 257 "Saddlery" of the FEI Jumping Rules states:
"Reins must be attached to the bit(s) or directly to the bridle. A maximum of two pairs of reins may be used. If two pairs of
reins are used, one pair must be attached to the bit or directly to the bridle. Gags and hackamores are allowed."
In German: The reins must be attached either to the bit(s) or directly to the bridle. A maximum of two reins may be used. If two reins are used, a pair of them must be attached.
Riding on bare drawreins is therefore not only not suitable for horses and incompatible with the guidelines for riding and driving, but also contrary to the rules of the FEI that are used at international tournaments.
So at the very least, he must have broken the tack rules. When I say at the very least, surely the FEI must have to sanction him for that at minimum, as it is a clear contravention of their rules. Obviously the welfare issue is more subjective - I must add, not in my eyes - it's a horrendous display of horsemanship.
Hit google translate if you need to to read it. I hadn't noticed the first time I watched it, as I was so horrified by the way he was sitting and tugging on the reins, but he is riding only with draw reins, and no regular reins. The article states the following (google translate version):
Draw reins are a familiar sight at the workplaces of show jumpers. However, Article 257 "Saddlery" of the FEI Jumping Rules states:
"Reins must be attached to the bit(s) or directly to the bridle. A maximum of two pairs of reins may be used. If two pairs of
reins are used, one pair must be attached to the bit or directly to the bridle. Gags and hackamores are allowed."
In German: The reins must be attached either to the bit(s) or directly to the bridle. A maximum of two reins may be used. If two reins are used, a pair of them must be attached.
Riding on bare drawreins is therefore not only not suitable for horses and incompatible with the guidelines for riding and driving, but also contrary to the rules of the FEI that are used at international tournaments.
So at the very least, he must have broken the tack rules. When I say at the very least, surely the FEI must have to sanction him for that at minimum, as it is a clear contravention of their rules. Obviously the welfare issue is more subjective - I must add, not in my eyes - it's a horrendous display of horsemanship.
tristars
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There's some new regs coming in 2026 fei related to dressage I saw somewhere
Peglo
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Videos like this really ruins the argument that spurs are used for refinement. If that’s how they need to be used then they should be banned. Theres no way that can’t hurt the horse.
TheMule
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I cannot believe that was allowed 
What an appalling display of 'horsemanship'. And such a shame, as I have really admired his riding in the ring, but this is just pointless forceful riding.
What an appalling display of 'horsemanship'. And such a shame, as I have really admired his riding in the ring, but this is just pointless forceful riding.
reynold
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Also harks back to what has been said before on this thread...
If this is what they do in public what the 'blank' do they do in private out of reach of the cameras.
If this is what they do in public what the 'blank' do they do in private out of reach of the cameras.
SEL
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Carl Hester said something interesting the other day about another rider 'he's as nice to watch in the warm up as he is in the ring'
I thought that was pretty telling about what goes on away from the cameras.
I thought that was pretty telling about what goes on away from the cameras.
PurpleSpots
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Or maybe as they see nothing wrong with it it's all just the same regardless of where they are?
One can only hope.
daffy44
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They are allowing snaffles at Big Tour for the first time, admittedly at 3*, not 4 and 5*, but its a good start.
tda
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tristars
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Anybody who watches that and thinks its ok?!?!
That poor horses expression when the test ends, utter desperation, suffering
Rider leg position constantly incorrect when spur used⁹
tristars
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Cragrat
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I really, really wish they would either ban nosebands, or PROPERLY enforce a decent tightness rule.
Hopefully then horses would be able to open their mouths wide enough to make it obvious when too much 'contact' was being used.
Hopefully then horses would be able to open their mouths wide enough to make it obvious when too much 'contact' was being used.
