CDJ withdrawn from paris

Exactly.

First offence, a ban of determined time and mandatory requirements as suggested above, some continuing after the ban has ended to assist the person to incorporate them into their normal lives rather than the ban time just being 'different'.

Second offence, a longer ban and more requirements.

Third offence, lifetime ban.


Offences to be less extreme than are punished with bans now, in case it seems I'm suggesting we should be more lenient than we currently are, which I am not.
 
Seems that the stewards aren’t brave enough to stop her. I’m pretty sure if someone rode like that at a lower level the stewards would act… it’s about time those riding at the higher levels were disciplined for that type of riding . I would like to see them eliminated so they couldn’t benefit from such rough riding
 
Wasn't there a case recently of a rider trying to sue a steward? If that's what they're up against and the FEI aren't really protecting them, I can see why it would be hard to speak up.

The regulatory bodies absolutely need to be ready to stand behind judges, venues, stewards etc. who speak up on horse welfare. It's too easy for judges to say they won't be supported, and tbh I think they're not completely wrong there.
 
Mimsyborogrove said:
Report just published in the Times this evening in their special report feature. It’s behind a paywall but is titled
“Charlotte Dujardin’s treatment of horses under spotlight again” referring to the warm up riding Alive and kicking in Amsterdam.
World horse welfare say the video is a hard watch
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Good
 
Mimsyborogrove said:
Report just published in the Times this evening in their special report feature. It’s behind a paywall but is titled
“Charlotte Dujardin’s treatment of horses under spotlight again” referring to the warm up riding Alive and kicking in Amsterdam.
World horse welfare say the video is a hard watch
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While it’s good that she is being criticised by the media I really wish it followed that they do the same for others especially IW!!!!
 
SaddlePsych'D said:
Wasn't there a case recently of a rider trying to sue a steward? If that's what they're up against and the FEI aren't really protecting them, I can see why it would be hard to speak up.

The regulatory bodies absolutely need to be ready to stand behind judges, venues, stewards etc. who speak up on horse welfare. It's too easy for judges to say they won't be supported, and tbh I think they're not completely wrong there.
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They did try and sue, thrown out, but they are appealing that verdict….Hope they fail again…
 
splashgirl45 said:
While it’s good that she is being criticised by the media I really wish it followed that they do the same for others especially IW!!!!
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Unfortunately IW, while a wholly unsympathetic rider (and character, apparently), hasn't yet had a video come out showing the kind of gross welfare violation that even the FEI can't ignore. And actually I don't recall her ever really making a big deal of her ethical treatment of her horses. CDJ has, on the other hand, and is a British rider so is going to be reported on in the British press and be the subject of interest from the various groups promoting better ethics. IW does come in for criticism from the latter too, but you'd have to follow those groups to see most of it.
 
Foxford said:
Interesting that the Times contacted her for the piece and she declined to comment. She doesn't seem to have much to say! But her actions certainly have people talking...
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Wonder what she could say really, apart from asking the reporter how many GP horses he had produced :rolleyes:

It seemed a very balanced article, they talked to the right people, tried to put it across in lay terms, and had a very good expert view. In terms of the general public's view of horse sport, well, perhaps not so positive for those people who don't want to see any change, but it's clear that some sport journalists have got a handle on this as a story going forward.
 
Good grief... lets jab it in the ribs but yank on its mouth, completely conflicting instructions

They make a good point about the horrible ear covers, her ears dont look like they move at all, theres times when she looks like she probably wants to put them back but they look completely locked in place

If shes willing to do this in public, when there SHOULD be greater scrutiny of her due to her history what goes on behind closed doors?

Yet shes allowed to do as she wants, cos she gets results, sure she will be straight back on teams
 
Here is the Times article which you should be able to read? In the main ‘news’ section, not tucked away in Sport.

Charlotte Dujardin’s treatment of horses under spotlight again

www.thetimes.com

Charlotte Dujardin’s treatment of horses under spotlight again

Allegations of ‘clear signs of tension and conflict behaviour’ in rider’s horse during warm-up, six months after her return from suspension
www.thetimes.com www.thetimes.com
 
Petalpoos said:
Here is the Times article which you should be able to read? In the main ‘news’ section, not tucked away in Sport.

Charlotte Dujardin’s treatment of horses under spotlight again

www.thetimes.com

Charlotte Dujardin’s treatment of horses under spotlight again

Allegations of ‘clear signs of tension and conflict behaviour’ in rider’s horse during warm-up, six months after her return from suspension
www.thetimes.com www.thetimes.com
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Its a balanced article - well written.

CDJ not responding won't do her any favours.
 
SaddlePsych'D said:
Wasn't there a case recently of a rider trying to sue a steward? If that's what they're up against and the FEI aren't really protecting them, I can see why it would be hard to speak up.

The regulatory bodies absolutely need to be ready to stand behind judges, venues, stewards etc. who speak up on horse welfare. It's too easy for judges to say they won't be supported, and tbh I think they're not completely wrong there.
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Yes there was.

I think a few people here might want to gain a better understanding of what the role and responsibilities of a steward actually is. The general public seem to want them to be able to wade in and drag riders off their horses, but actually they have to follow quite strict directives and have very little ‘power.’ Nearly everything has to be run past the judge as they are allowed to make decisions.

Blame the structure and the rules, and campaign for positive change, don’t blame the people who are following the rules they have to follow.

Signed, a former National BD steward who left because they became utterly disillusioned by it, after spending significant amounts of time and money to qualify. One who is entirely unsurprised by the names being mentioned here.
 
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Burnttoast said:
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1337593891467234&id=100056499083044
Louise King's reply to a comment on this post does pin down why the audience remains devoted.
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Yes I’ve seen this but CDJ gets slated in the press ( not that I disagree ) but the likes of IW and heigstrand never get that sort of adverse publicity. It seems that the British females are being picked on too much. Germany had their own way in dressage for many years and I wonder who is pushing so much criticism on the British riders who are beating the Germans. When you look at CDJ she is no worse IW or H. I still think that those who ride so forcefully in the warm up shouldn’t be allowed to compete or perhaps we could have judges marking the warm up as well, that would be interesting
 
splashgirl45 said:
Yes I’ve seen this but CDJ gets slated in the press ( not that I disagree ) but the likes of IW and heigstrand never get that sort of adverse publicity. It seems that the British females are being picked on too much. Germany had their own way in dressage for many years and I wonder who is pushing so much criticism on the British riders who are beating the Germans. When you look at CDJ she is no worse IW or H. I still think that those who ride so forcefully in the warm up shouldn’t be allowed to compete or perhaps we could have judges marking the warm up as well, that would be interesting
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But this is in the British press- they are less likely to be interested in a German dressage rider. And why females? Probably because our most successful competitors are female- Lottie Fry, Becky Moody, Charlotte….. unfortunately they are all also easily linked to forceful training methods
 
And those who write in h and h dressage columns are so wishy washy middle of the road, don't upset the applecart frankly they make me sick.

Spineless not to come out and outright condemn many of the practices that so obviously are downright cruel, that are causing horses pain and mental anguish and destroying many peoples perception of what good training is, ruining dressage competitions by the scandalous practices they turn a blind eye to,and seem incapable of condemning anything in a way that may lead to change

Horses need a voice to speak for them, but the silence is deafening, bland pointless commentary is just enabling this horror, and it is horror on a grand scale

Leaning back while jabbing a horse in ribs with metal spurs, iron grip on the mouth, now it's not just to go forwards its to compensate for the lack of understanding of how to get a horse to engage its power which should Come naturally with proper riding, and this is what causing horse to lose the plot and literally not know where their legs are.
 
Given they all seem to be as bad as each other, is it time to say "enough is enough" and ban it?

Its all just completely ugly, the spurring, the sawing, the money flying round, the horses looking like they have broken legs dangling

I really enjoyed watching the winter Olympics, and there were no horses. I dont feel it would be a huge loss at all.
 
Petalpoos said:
Here is the Times article which you should be able to read? In the main ‘news’ section, not tucked away in Sport.

Charlotte Dujardin’s treatment of horses under spotlight again

www.thetimes.com

Charlotte Dujardin’s treatment of horses under spotlight again

Allegations of ‘clear signs of tension and conflict behaviour’ in rider’s horse during warm-up, six months after her return from suspension
www.thetimes.com www.thetimes.com
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There’s a big 2 page spread in the physical paper too
 
splashgirl45 said:
Yes I’ve seen this but CDJ gets slated in the press ( not that I disagree ) but the likes of IW and heigstrand never get that sort of adverse publicity. It seems that the British females are being picked on too much. Germany had their own way in dressage for many years and I wonder who is pushing so much criticism on the British riders who are beating the Germans. When you look at CDJ she is no worse IW or H. I still think that those who ride so forcefully in the warm up shouldn’t be allowed to compete or perhaps we could have judges marking the warm up as well, that would be interesting
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What @TheMule said, plus other countries' press are looking at their own riders, or some certainly are. Ekstra Bladet have done some really pointed stuff on Danish riders (and there's a lot to comment on there, so well done to them). Quite possibly other continental publications too, but it's not easy to search for them in English. Here's an article on the Lego owners and their riders https://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/anden...ge-anklager-mod-dansk-ol-soelvvinder/10539771
 
I don't disagree with the issues with riders in other countries but seems fair that press in this country will focus on GB riders.

The 'yes but...' about riders elsewhere is where that FB group (time to act?) seemed to fall down. It was fine when it was pointing the finger abroad but as soon as we need to look at the state of our own house, well that was unacceptable.

Change is not going to come from within the sport. I hope these journalists won't let this lie. The BEF statement in that article is so telling. I'm pleased it's in the physical paper and hope it will catch the attention of a wider audience.
 
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