poiuytrewq
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Is there any science behind the many ceramic infused therapy products, aimed at arthritis and stiffness etc-..... or is it more junk I'll spend money I don't really have on and see no effect from 
Ceramic therapy products
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poacher82
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Read Dr David Marlin's website/FB page... he's very quick to debunk 'non-science' and I'm pretty sure he ain't a fan of ceramics except for use as cereal bowls 
TheMule
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There is very limited science. There are certainly much more proven therapies for arthritis that can actually help to manage the pain
poiuytrewq
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As i figured! Thanks!
I'm never sure I'm a huge David Marlin fab to be honest- I will go have a look though!
I'm never sure I'm a huge David Marlin fab to be honest- I will go have a look though!
paddi22
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I notice a massive difference with the back-on-track stuff and my horses. I rate them. I used to have to handwalk my older eventer around for about 10 mins after a long journey to an event, until he loosened out and unstiffened. when I travel with the back on track rug on he comes out much looser and I don't need to handwalk him. i notice a big difference between when it's the back on track versus a normal fleece. My physio also recommended them for various ailments over the years. I really rate them and use their boots, numnahs, rugs and back warmers a lot.
vam
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Personally, i think there is more science behind them than magnetic items. Its worth looking at Back on Track and Catago for the info as they tend to explain it well.
For what its worth i rate them. I have a rug that mine wears every night when she is over night and it noticeable how much warmer and how the heat stays next to her compared to any other rug I've used. I have friends who use Ceramic items and rate them too.
However my oh half swears by them, has a back brace and it really makes a difference when he puts it on. He has a blanket which he uses on problem areas when needed and again it really works easing pain/soreness.
Ultimately though there is a bit of hokum with this stuff and to be taken with a pinch of salt.
if you can pick it up second hand to give it a go then it definitely worth a try.
For what its worth i rate them. I have a rug that mine wears every night when she is over night and it noticeable how much warmer and how the heat stays next to her compared to any other rug I've used. I have friends who use Ceramic items and rate them too.
However my oh half swears by them, has a back brace and it really makes a difference when he puts it on. He has a blanket which he uses on problem areas when needed and again it really works easing pain/soreness.
Ultimately though there is a bit of hokum with this stuff and to be taken with a pinch of salt.
if you can pick it up second hand to give it a go then it definitely worth a try.
ihatework
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I do really like my Back on Track rug but in all honesty I'm not sure its any more 'therapeutic' than just being very effective for the weight of material at keeping the muscles warm. Warm muscles help reduce stiffness, nothing too magic. You could probably achieve a similar effect with a thicker rug, but it's nicer for the horse to be able to wear a light well fitted rug.
Squeak
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I'm usually really sceptical about this sort of thing but a friend had amazing results on their wrist with one of Rambo's wrist supports, they tried it as a last ditch resort and weren't expecting it to work. I use some of the things on my horse and have felt there has been a positive effect.
Fluffypiglet
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Back on track is used by horse and husband. I also have a weatherbeeta fleece that apparently has the same tech but I do think there’s a difference and (cheaper) weatherbeeta isn’t as good/ obvious on the difference. I’m not that keen on the fit of the BoT mesh rug, it pulls back quite badly but that might just be the horse! He can’t wear combo rugs either as they pull back badly too in any make!
poiuytrewq
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Thanks!
A horse at work used to wear a Back on track sheet and i think the rider seemed to feel it helped, it was ages ago though.
A horse at work used to wear a Back on track sheet and i think the rider seemed to feel it helped, it was ages ago though.
leflynn
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I have the Infra Red stuff from BoT and Premier Equine and find it helps, have also used it on me when my back has been really bad and again found it helped me a lot, no idea of the science but it never seems to overcook horse even when its hot so always have the rug on, never as stiff after a days hunting either the next morning with rug/leg wraps on (horse not me btw)
Orangina
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Physical properties and biological effects of ceramic materials emitting infrared radiation for pain, muscular activity, and musculoskeletal conditions
Up to 33% of the general population worldwide suffer musculoskeletal conditions, with low back pain being the single leading cause of disability globally. Multimodal therapeutic options are available to relieve the pain associated with muscular disorders, ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
This was a study of ceramic therapy products on humans...
poiuytrewq
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I've bought a set of second hand ones, figure i can probably sell again if they don't help. I don't really think they will do a lot as i don't really think he has stiff hocks, He's a bit neurological and i think that's how he moves but anythings worth a shot!
mini-eventer
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He speaks sense about a lot of stuff.
However I belive his actual qualifications are not science based... so I look at what he says as one point of view, and look further. Often I agree, but not always.
I'm not convinced that he is completely unbiased.
He is another who is quick to jump on anyone who dares to disagree with him.
Errin Paddywack
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My sister uses BOT products for herself and absolutely swears by them.
TheMule
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He is annoying and very up himself, but he does have a science degree and PhD and has published/ co-authored on a number of scientific papers accepted by respected journals.
Squeak
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I think I lost respect for him when he said that talcum powder was dangerous - sure it's been approved to be used on babies and been used for years on them but according to him it's dangerous - or did I miss something on that?
Having said that I think that scientific research is a really good thing but his research is often quoted as gospel whereas (as with a lot of studies) it has it's limitations and should be evaluated as such.
Having said that I think that scientific research is a really good thing but his research is often quoted as gospel whereas (as with a lot of studies) it has it's limitations and should be evaluated as such.
poiuytrewq
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Yes I'm not arguing what he says is wrong as such, I just dislike the way he's quite unprofessional by be-littling peoples POV if they differ from his own.
I *think, and this had absolutely nothing to do with David Marlin that talcum powder these days is different and not actual talcum powder any more because it was harmful. No idea if thats really true but it was on a barefoot page I read about applying Hoof armour and baby powder not being the right stuff to use anymore... so he may have a point on that one!
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SpeedyPony
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The talcum powder thing might be due to asbestos contamination- there was a lawsuit against johnson and johnson because of talc being contaminated with asbestos.
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poacher82
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this, exactly! I kind of get it when he's frustrated by the same people continually arguing black is white etc, but he does seem to be equally sarcastic/rude to the more innocent 'offenders' (for want of a better word!) too.