Cesar Milan

blackcob said:
Rather like the last thread on this subject, Alec seems to be coming from a highly idealised situation with young pups of biddable breeding, where fair and effective training will reap rewards very quickly. I'll accept this, but only in part. Read on...!

Once again I invite him to take on an adolescent dog of a breed purposely designed to ignore the handler, for whom every breed society in the world states that the dog must not be allowed off a lead, who has received no socialisation or adequate exercise up until the point that it comes into your care, and see what he can do with that. :p Now here I could become cross, sort of!! Why would anyone, in their right minds, want a dog which was DESIGNED to ignore his owners demands, when he was bred for another purpose?

Tongue firmly in cheek, of course, but (disgustingly smugly, I admit :o) I consider mine the bigger victory. I'll accept that your dog is, perhaps the most handsome of creatures, but they are NOT domestic pets, or certainly weren't bred to be, so you take them on, at your peril.
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You wont agree with me, I realise that :o, but the difficult, or specialised breeds, were bred for a purpose. Being "PETS", wasn't one of them!!

Alec.

BC. The judgements are also a bit TIC, but take with the specialist dog, and you will be taking a dog away from its intended purpose. Wolves don't make for the ideal pets, and they aren't alone. Handsome is, as handsome does!! ;) a.
 
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EAST KENT said:
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Alec, I would just love you to try a bull terrier !!:D:D Book your place in the Priory first though.:eek:
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NOT A CHANCE!! :D

EBTs are neither thick, nor stupid, but they are awesomely stubborn. I was brought up with one, she was called Penny, and Jesus, she was hard work. She was the only dog which grunted!! :D How I loved her, as a small boy.

Alec.

Ets, I've just remembered, we once had such a creature come in. He went through a baiting suit, in seconds. He made the "Runner" squawk a bit, and was quite impossible!! Out of work, he was a pussy cat, and a nightmare!! Never again!! a.
 
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On the contrary, I agree with you entirely! :D

I wouldn't ever wish to see a Siberian husky in a purely 'pet' home - even if that does make me a hypocrite as most would consider mine to be household pets, though I do my best to work them when I can. The breed rescue is full to bursting with the results of people who cannot be bothered to make even the most token effort towards fulfilling their specialist needs.

I think the point I was trying to make is that a lot of people on here do not have the advantage of having a dog from puppyhood and are often trying to erase a lifetime of mistakes; to state that the dog must go off the lead (and how often have I heard that from local gundog bods, mocking me for my admittedly rather goofy looking lead set-ups, "let 'em off, how can you trust them if you don't give them the chance?") and immediately do X or Y at the snapping of one's fingers is unrealistic and, I feel, rather undermining the efforts of people like Lexie who are doing a bloody hard job and succeeding without the need to beat a dog senseless and without the advantage of having a completely blank cavas of a pup.

I am a bit mad though, I wouldn't know what to do with a dog that sat at my feet and waited for my every direction. I expect I'd get very bored. :p Horses for courses. I'll be laughing when we're plunged into an ice age... :D
 
Alec Swan said:
NOT A CHANCE!! :D

EBTs are neither thick, nor stupid, but they are awesomely stubborn. I was brought up with one, she was called Penny, and Jesus, she was hard work. She was the only dog which grunted!! :D How I loved her, as a small boy.

Alec.

Ets, I've just remembered, we once had such a creature come in. He went through a baiting suit, in seconds. He made the "Runner" squawk a bit, and was quite impossible!! Out of work, he was a pussy cat, and a nightmare!! Never again!! a.
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You used a bull terrier on a runner?? Bloody Hell,they are a tad hard(read impossible) to detach once they get into enjoying a bit of violence. As for the "grunting"..that is what we fans call "talking" and in our besotted little brains find it endearing. They are ,however,great companions and partners in crime for children,up for adventures(as long as it is`nt raining) and simply adore being dressed up or having nail varnish applied to toenails.Recall is almost non existant..unless a sweet wrapper is heard at a hundred paces..then it is ace. I like the one eye open..possibly a tail thump,nothing more ,as a greeting in the morning;how they love to be wrapped up in a blanket at night,and don`t move so as to keep warm until morning. Pigs do that too,I learnt that a stack of straw on a pig made it stay still and sleep,so as to creat a warm fug..funny that,the physical and mental resemblance is quite astonishing!:D
 
blackcob said:
.......I wouldn't ever wish to see a Siberian husky in a purely 'pet' home - even if that does make me a hypocrite as most would consider mine to be household pets, though I do my best to work them when I can. The breed rescue is full to bursting with the results of people who cannot be bothered to make even the most token effort towards fulfilling their specialist needs. You've effectively made my point!! :p Whilst this DOESN'T apply to you, my main argument is with those who breed, dish out spurious advice, sell on their puppies to the village idiot, and then as you so rightly say, the innocent dog, ends up at a rescue centre, often devoid of any input, and by the time that it's all gone wrong, only the seriously able, will have any influence over a fruit cake. There are those breeds which haven't been bred as household pets.

.......I'll be laughing when we're plunged into an ice age... :D If that day ever arrives, we'll be eating them!! :eek:
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Alec.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFCGtatpCwI&feature=related

I have just been sent this link by my dog trainer, I have watched it and I dont think you could actualy describe it as a kick but a nudge to redirect the dogs attention. It has obviously been well edited but from what is shown , I would describe it as a nudge.

I do not like his treatment of the Husky type dog and it just goes to show one method dosnt work for every dog.

My dog trainer is very anti CM and this link was sent to all his clients.
 
I don't see anything in that video that I necessarily disagree with. I 'nudged' Dax just this morning - she was fannying about in a gateway sniffing where another dog had been. The resident shetland ponies, sensing an escape opportunity, were making a beeline for us. I feel quite justified in pushing her out of the bloody way with my foot in order to shut the gate. :o

Worlds away from holding a dog down and beating them.

Incidentally the one and only time I've seen my OH use his foot in that way she whirled around and gave him a warning air-snap; works for me, utterly stupid of him to try it.
 
CaveCanem said:
I got angrily wuffed at for using my foot to guide the pup out of a sit the other day. I shall not be using that method as a correction :p
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Now you see, what you should do is to pick him up and beat the hell out of him when he does that...;) Ya gurt wuss:p

I've scooched Henry with my foot when required: it's not training though, it's scooching him out of the way because he's sniffing at something where I wish to walk.
 
I can nudge Dex with my foot until the cows come home hes seen another dog I imagine I could actually full on kick him and he would pay no attention- squeaky kong bone on the other hand- that at least gets a head nod in my general direction....... :)
 
Mmm, I do find a low growly very firm "don`t you f......even think about it"!! works rather well:D:D needs to be said before the tension level rises..that is on first focus.
 
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