Child’s confidence…again!!

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Hi, I posted about 9 months ago as we were having issues with my 9yr old daughters bucking pony…her confidence was through the floor after some horrible falls and after investigations and getting everything checked we decided to sell him on as there wasn’t anything obviously wrong with him and she didn’t want to ride him anymore. Anyway we sold him via sales livery and he’s happily plodding around the lanes of wales with no issues, he always preferred hacking to schooling which is what we mainly did.

Fast forward a few months and we bought a lovely mare for her, her confidence with her soared and they had a brilliant summer and autumn, her riding progressed loads, she was jumping small courses which I never thought she’d do and she was having the best time. She can occasionally spook in the school, she has learned how to stop her and until recently laughed it off most of the time. She’s been ridden around once a week by the girl on the yard too to keep her ticking over and jumping which she pony loves. She has come off a couple of times jumping as you might expect, had one nasty one where she got dragged along a fence too…but after that she wasn’t deterred she carried on with everything. I do wonder if that was the start of the change in confidence.

In November she unfortunately had a cut leg in the field and it was pretty bad, she was on box rest for a week and then had about another week where she wasn’t able to ride due to lost shoe and awful weather. Back in work now and she’s been riding her much less, we don’t currently have lights on the arena so we are restricted to weekends only and holidays…the weather has been SO bad she’s not even been able to ride much over Christmas. Her confidence has plummeted again, there is no obvious cause this time…she finds her more forward now than she was in summer/autumn which I think has been making her nervous. She doesn’t like strong winds and rain…it makes her more twitchy! She’s having regular lessons…we have changed instructors as I found the previous one very dismissive of her fears…”she doesn’t look fast so she’s fine”. Obviously doesn’t work like that for a 9yr old!

She’s generally more anxious the last 6 months in general and is having some help with that (professionally). We are moving yards in a fortnight to one with lights so she can ride more in the week plus they have an instructor on site and she can also school her for me. I’m hoping a change of location might help?! I feel the pony is a little sharp but she’s been managing her so well up to now, she’s an amazing horse and the two of them could be amazing together. I’m just a bit lost as to what to do. I don’t want to change ponies again but equally I’m not sure how to help her.

I’m hoping once winter is out of the way we can get back on track…has anyone experienced similar and able to offer any advice? Thanks
 

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Does she ask to ride? If it were me, I'd give both pony and daughter a break. The weather is atrocious, it's dark, muddy, and even motivated adults are having a hard time at the moment! Why not plan a month off ridden work and just go to the yard to relax and groom, do little things like practicing her plaiting or teaching the pony some little tricks, just fun "pony time". Moving yards can wobble someone's confidence (horse and human) even if everything has been fine, and I think if you move and then are straight on with MORE riding, and more pressure to becuase you'll have lights, you're setting yourself up for failure because if pony and daughter are both a little nervy then she's going to have an incident that sets you much further back. Let her enjoy spending time with her pony and she will want to get back on when she's ready! 😊
 

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Does she ask to ride? If it were me, I'd give both pony and daughter a break. The weather is atrocious, it's dark, muddy, and even motivated adults are having a hard time at the moment! Why not plan a month off ridden work and just go to the yard to relax and groom, do little things like practicing her plaiting or teaching the pony some little tricks, just fun "pony time". Moving yards can wobble someone's confidence (horse and human) even if everything has been fine, and I think if you move and then are straight on with MORE riding, and more pressure to becuase you'll have lights, you're setting yourself up for failure because if pony and daughter are both a little nervy then she's going to have an incident that sets you much further back. Let her enjoy spending time with her pony and she will want to get back on when she's ready! 😊
Thank you, that makes sense. Yes she does want to ride, well is desperate to actually. However today she didn’t even get on because she was so on her toes I ended up lunging her first and she basically flat out galloped on the lunge 🤦🏻‍♀️ they’ve been in 24hrs due to flooding so she had a lot of energy…i don’t think she’s had much education on lunging either to be honest! So after seeing her do that my daughter isn’t so keen!
 

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I would just do a good few days lunging before your daughter gets on just to be safe.

I haven't ridden mine for weeks and that's what I would do as my confidence can go especially if I haven't ridden for a while, I then know when I see them settled on the lunge I'm happy to ride.
Thanks, I’m not sure she actually knows how to lunge as she doesn’t listen to voice at all and just goes faster and faster…not sure it helps! Have asked the yard girl to ride her the next few days so hopefully that will help get her settled again x
 

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I would say being in a lot and not much riding would contribute to your horse being more energetic and buzzy
Is there any chance you could pop her in the arena alone for awhile and do some jobs (mucking out or something) to let your horse get her energy out then tack up?
I always take a break in winter anyway for horses and myself makes you much more excited to get going again and everyone gets a snooze 😂
 

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I don't know if the pony is getting any hard feed but if she is I would cut it right out.

Taking a break whilst the weather is vile and until you move yards would not hurt either of them. Maybe your daughter could just give her a groom and a little fuss until you move yards.

More work would probably keep the edge off the pony but you don't want to get her too fit either !
 

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I would say being in a lot and not much riding would contribute to your horse being more energetic and buzzy
Is there any chance you could pop her in the arena alone for awhile and do some jobs (mucking out or something) to let your horse get her energy out then tack up?
I always take a break in winter anyway for horses and myself makes you much more excited to get going again and everyone gets a snooze 😂
No they won’t let us loose school. New yard does! And they have a horse walker x
 

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I don't know if the pony is getting any hard feed but if she is I would cut it right out.

Taking a break whilst the weather is vile and until you move yards would not hurt either of them. Maybe your daughter could just give her a groom and a little fuss until you move yards.

More work would probably keep the edge off the pony but you don't want to get her too fit either !
A tiny bit of top spec lite balancer and chaff, will try this too thanks. She actually got a bit more fizzy with the topspec but not significantly so…so kept with it. Might change that too now I think about it x
 

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Thanks, I’m not sure she actually knows how to lunge as she doesn’t listen to voice at all and just goes faster and faster…not sure it helps! Have asked the yard girl to ride her the next few days so hopefully that will help get her settled again x
That will help if someone else can ride for a few days one of my friends ride mine when I'm not feeling it and they have not done much.

In regards to top spec it sent my Arabi mental I tried him on the balancer some years back he was only on it for about 3 days, so I wouldn't rule that out making her silly.
 

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That will help if someone else can ride for a few days one of my friends ride mine when I'm not feeling it and they have not done much.

In regards to top spec it sent my Arabi mental I tried him on the balancer some years back he was only on it for about 3 days, so I wouldn't rule that out making her silly.
Hmm I will change it when we move then, yard are very controlling and will poo poo the idea of me changing feed because they are that type. I’ll switch it when we move, I have heard that top spec can do that. Thanks
 

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I hope things settle following the yard move, but it sounds like your daughter really needs a pony whose behaviour is not extremely affected by much and who is consistently calm and quiet for her to feel safe. Easier said than done to find such a pony I know, but confidence is a fragile thing and a lot of kids get put off riding by ponies that are too whizzy for them or react unpredictably. My girls were so different in confidence levels and wouldn’t have been able to ride the same pony and it can be really hard to find a good match. Hopefully with improved facilities and hacking at the new yard the pony will settle and your daughter will enjoy riding again. The weather has been terrible and nobody I know has been riding much unless absolutely necessary.
 

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I hope things settle following the yard move, but it sounds like your daughter really needs a pony whose behaviour is not extremely affected by much and who is consistently calm and quiet for her to feel safe. Easier said than done to find such a pony I know, but confidence is a fragile thing and a lot of kids get put off riding by ponies that are too whizzy for them or react unpredictably. My girls were so different in confidence levels and wouldn’t have been able to ride the same pony and it can be really hard to find a good match. Hopefully with improved facilities and hacking at the new yard the pony will settle and your daughter will enjoy riding again. The weather has been terrible and nobody I know has been riding much unless absolutely necessary.
Yes absolutely and for the last 5 months she’s been like that bar the odd spook. It’s so hard to find something totally unflappable in all situations. We will see how it goes once we’ve moved, thank you x
 

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Yes absolutely and for the last 5 months she’s been like that bar the odd spook. It’s so hard to find something totally unflappable in all situations. We will see how it goes once we’ve moved, thank you x

It is difficult to find a totally calm pony for a child like your daughter, because a pony who might be calm for another child could be affected by her nerves and become less calm for her. Those that would not care about anything are probably not very forward going, and maybe she wants something that goes but is calm with it.

My nervous daughter had the kick-a-long first, then my son’s gelding chose to take her on after that. He relies on me being there though so that he can tell whether she’s being generally nervous and he can ignore her, or whether there is actually something to worry about!

In any case, keeping any pony for a novice/nervous child in too much is a really bad idea unless someone else can exercise it both ends of the day. It’s not the pony’s fault it’s bursting with energy! Hopefully after you move things will improve.
 

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I think I might use the rest of the winter for all 3 of you to do some groundwork exercises with the pony. There are lots of books with ideas on what to do and it might be fun and help to build your daughter's confidence in handling the pony in all circumstances. At the very least learning how to lunge properly is a must for me.
 

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Hmm I will change it when we move then, yard are very controlling and will poo poo the idea of me changing feed because they are that type. I’ll switch it when we move, I have heard that top spec can do that. Thanks
I would simply tell the yard that you DO NOT want the pony to have the balancer. There is no need to go into detail. The pony is yours, you pay the bills, you are in charge.
As soon as I saw TS in your reply, I thought 'that's the problem'. It's ruining your child's confidence and potentially compromising her safety, why would you allow it to carry on?
 

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I would simply tell the yard that you DO NOT want the pony to have the balancer. There is no need to go into detail. The pony is yours, you pay the bills, you are in charge.
As soon as I saw TS in your reply, I thought 'that's the problem'. It's ruining your child's confidence and potentially compromising her safety, why would you allow it to carry on?
Very true, I guess I’m not certain that is the issue to be honest. She’s not super forward or a complete nutcase, she’s just more forward than she was in the summer. Less leg needed to get her moving I mean by that. I shall speak to them, we move in 15 days x
 

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Very true, I guess I’m not certain that is the issue to be honest. She’s not super forward or a complete nutcase, she’s just more forward than she was in the summer. Less leg needed to get her moving I mean by that. I shall speak to them, we move in 15 days x
I did wonder if you weren't convinced. Ime you should be. If it's not the TS will you have lost anything by cutting out the feed for a few weeks? If it is the TS, your daughter could lose her fragile confidence completely if you continue with it. People often don't believe that feed can affect susceptible equines in the way that it does until they see it with their own eyes!
Is the chaff by any chance alfalfa based?
 

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I did wonder if you weren't convinced. Ime you should be. If it's not the TS will you have lost anything by cutting out the feed for a few weeks? If it is the TS, your daughter could lose her fragile confidence completely if you continue with it. People often don't believe that feed can affect susceptible equines in the way that it does until they see it with their own eyes!
Is the chaff by any chance alfalfa based?
I agree, I’ve asked them to cut it out so we’ll see how it goes. The chaff is top spec top chop lite x
 

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The pony was on Dengie Healthy Tummy when we got her, no ulcer history its just what they fed the others on sales livery...I was going to try going back onto that as less energy and no soya. Does that sound reasonable? She seemed fine on it over the summer until the yard had a TS rep out who basically changed everyone to TS!
 

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The pony was on Dengie Healthy Tummy when we got her, no ulcer history its just what they fed the others on sales livery...I was going to try going back onto that as less energy and no soya. Does that sound reasonable? She seemed fine on it over the summer until the yard had a TS rep out who basically changed everyone to TS!
I don't know the ingredients of DHT but I see that TSL chaff has alfalfa in and I would want to avoid that unless you are sure that she had been fine on it before.
 

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I don't know the ingredients of DHT but I see that TSL chaff has alfalfa in and I would want to avoid that unless you are sure that she had been fine on it before.
Thanks, the healthy tummy does have alfalfa but she wasn't having much of it in the summer. Hmm ok I'll look for something without soya and alfalfa! Thanks for your advice, really appreciated!
 
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