Child "Influencers" (Exploitation)

daffy44 said:
Unfortunately, I dont think the love of seeing things go wrong is confined to chldren, although I think its more problematic with children. Its why people do compilation videos of all the falls etc from Badminton and other major events. I have a fb page for my business, and I post videos of my own horses, and without fail if I post a video of anything going wrong it'll have way more views/engagement than a video of everything going right. I'm old and certainly no influencer, I post things primarily for my clients, and I like to be honest, so I'm happy to show the good and the bad, and it can then be a helpful discussion about how to handle it when things dont go as planned, and it shows that training isnt always linear. But I always find it mildly depressing how people seem to like the bad stuff the most.
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and isn't this why the water complexes at 3DEs have the biggest crowds - everyone wants to see if someone will fall and get wet...?
 
There’s a German word for it:

Schadenfreude-“a German term defining the experience of pleasure, joy, or self-satisfaction derived from witnessing or learning about another person's misfortunes, failures, or humiliation”
 
sarcasm_queen said:
There’s a German word for it:

Schadenfreude-“a German term defining the experience of pleasure, joy, or self-satisfaction derived from witnessing or learning about another person's misfortunes, failures, or humiliation”
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Hmm, you might all get plenty of opportunity: today, BBC newspage item (!? this counts as news? with everything else that’s going on atm?):
A vacuous couple from ‘Made in Chelsea’ programme have decided to film their entire relationship, marriage, pregnancy and offspring as ‘Bringing up Chelsea’ (or similar title, only seen excerpts of the original show on ‘Gogglebox’, so slightly bemused), which will be on full public view…..presumably until the child attains the legal age to do something about it.
Now, will they be enrolled in the local academy or comprehensive? I think we should be told…..
 
Exasperated said:
Hmm, you might all get plenty of opportunity: today, BBC newspage item (!? this counts as news? with everything else that’s going on atm?):
A vacuous couple from ‘Made in Chelsea’ programme have decided to film their entire relationship, marriage, pregnancy and offspring as ‘Bringing up Chelsea’ (or similar title, only seen excerpts of the original show on ‘Gogglebox’, so slightly bemused), which will be on full public view…..presumably until the child attains the legal age to do something about it.
Now, will they be enrolled in the local academy or comprehensive? I think we should be told…..
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I'm going to assume that no one on this thread would like this 'opportunity' for schadenfreude. It's weird.
 
Exasperated said:
Hmm, you might all get plenty of opportunity: today, BBC newspage item (!? this counts as news? with everything else that’s going on atm?):
A vacuous couple from ‘Made in Chelsea’ programme have decided to film their entire relationship, marriage, pregnancy and offspring as ‘Bringing up Chelsea’ (or similar title, only seen excerpts of the original show on ‘Gogglebox’, so slightly bemused), which will be on full public view…..presumably until the child attains the legal age to do something about it.
Now, will they be enrolled in the local academy or comprehensive? I think we should be told…..
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I was disappointed to see this. Never watched MIC but I quite liked Jamie on famous & fighting crime & he's also had some great podcast guests.
 
Caol Ila said:
Uh, yeah, that seems to be a thing. One of the kids at my yard (she's like 11ish) was very carefully setting up her phone to take a video of her galloping her pony around the arena, screaming like a banshee, pretending the (saint of a) pony was taking off with her and she was terrified. Then she'd get off the pony (who'd stand like the saint he is), faff with the phone, and do another take. Needless to say, the slightly sharper horse I was riding did not appreciate this. I asked what she was doing, and she said it was for Tik Tok. Making it look like you're being run away with for the social media hits. What? I was like, how about don't do that when other people are in the arena, because we might actually end up being run away with, and it's really not amusing. She took it on board and knocked it off, but Jesus. This is what wee kids are getting up to these days?

Someone should take smartphones away from everyone under the age of 40.
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I would fully expect an absolute bollocking if I'd ever done something like that with my pony at that age from any adult on the yard. No respect for others or the pony poor thing.
 
SaddlePsych'D said:
I'm going to assume that no one on this thread would like this 'opportunity' for schadenfreude. It's weird.
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Jolly good, but I’m almost prepared to bet the ranch that most of you will be checking them out.
Luckily, no smart phones, no apps, purely terrestrial tv, no subscriptions whatsoever on said ranch, so firmly out of temptation’s way 🥱
 
Exasperated said:
Jolly good, but I’m almost prepared to bet the ranch that most of you will be checking them out.
Luckily, no smart phones, no apps, purely terrestrial tv, no subscriptions whatsoever on said ranch, so firmly out of temptation’s way 🥱
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Yes on a thread about over exposure of children online we'll all be falling over ourselves to watch it 🙄
 
Exasperated said:
Jolly good, but I’m almost prepared to bet the ranch that most of you will be checking them out.
Luckily, no smart phones, no apps, purely terrestrial tv, no subscriptions whatsoever on said ranch, so firmly out of temptation’s way 🥱
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Umm... I'm absolutely prepared to bet the ranch (ok, I don't have a ranch - everything I have then) that most of 'us' will not be checking them out.

You've been on this forum quite a while - have you not picked up anything about your fellow forum members? This forum is not the target demographic for this sort of programme. Whilst there's bound to be a few on here that watch it, it will be the few and not the many.
 
JenJ said:
Umm... I'm absolutely prepared to bet the ranch (ok, I don't have a ranch - everything I have then) that most of 'us' will not be checking them out.

You've been on this forum quite a while - have you not picked up anything about your fellow forum members? This forum is not the target demographic for this sort of programme. Whilst there's bound to be a few on here that watch it, it will be the few and not the many.
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It's called projection
 
Exasperated said:
Jolly good, but I’m almost prepared to bet the ranch that most of you will be checking them out.
Luckily, no smart phones, no apps, purely terrestrial tv, no subscriptions whatsoever on said ranch, so firmly out of temptation’s way 🥱
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If it was in the UK I would be on to the local Safe Guarding team and making sure anyone who was producing this was monitored. Is it classed as work, because there are rules about children working. Yes I am that Karen. In the UK you are responsible up to a certain age for accidents you child cause.
The fine mess that production companies get in to for historical child abuse and depending on where you live that goes up to teens, is because of lack awareness of harms that can be caused in the process of making content.
My daughter and her pony did a photo shoot for a well known equestrian magazine that happened over three days, I was there all the time and the last thing on the organisers mind IMO was the welfare of the pony and child, the only thing they we interested in was getting the required shots. My daughter ended up on the cover and they got the perfect example of a pony cantering on the wrong leg for their editorial. I am glad we did it, it was an experience, but I now understand how boundaries can get blurred in that environment.

The other problem is what ever you put on to the internet is there forever, with AI and content scraping what may seem harmless now could end up being used completely out of context out at some point. I would say keep away from it even for adults.
 
This bit was meant to be a quote too, not sure what I did there:
Uh, yeah, that seems to be a thing. One of the kids at my yard (she's like 11ish) was very carefully setting up her phone to take a video of her galloping her pony around the arena, screaming like a banshee, pretending the (saint of a) pony was taking off with her and she was terrified. Then she'd get off the pony (who'd stand like the saint he is), faff with the phone, and do another take. Needless to say, the slightly sharper horse I was riding did not appreciate this. I asked what she was doing, and she said it was for Tik Tok. Making it look like you're being run away with for the social media hits. What? I was like, how about don't do that when other people are in the arena, because we might actually end up being run away with, and it's really not amusing. She took it on board and knocked it off, but Jesus. This is what wee kids are getting up to these days?
Caol Ila said:
Someone should take smartphones away from everyone under the age of 40.
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I can remember doing some incredibly stupid things with ponies when I was a child. That isn't a new thing, filming it for likes is new.
If we'd had the capability to film ourselves in the 'old days' our parents might have found out about what we got up to and they'd have tanned our hides.
 
JenJ said:
Umm... I'm absolutely prepared to bet the ranch (ok, I don't have a ranch - everything I have then) that most of 'us' will not be checking them out.

You've been on this forum quite a while - have you not picked up anything about your fellow forum members? This forum is not the target demographic for this sort of programme. Whilst there's bound to be a few on here that watch it, it will be the few and not the many.
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Even better, boycott the lot of them, but what bit I have gleaned from this thread (nearly 300 contributions) is that plenty of posters do know about the influencer phenomenon, about child influencers and individuals in particular, and about their ponies, the products and companies they promote, their parents, whether they are in school / on holiday / at some venue or other, ad infinitum. And that plenty of posters also use Facebook, instagram and other electronic sources which might provide this information, presuming they don’t generally have personal, first hand knowledge. So yes, I think that is likely.
 
suestowford said:
This bit was meant to be a quote too, not sure what I did there:
Uh, yeah, that seems to be a thing. One of the kids at my yard (she's like 11ish) was very carefully setting up her phone to take a video of her galloping her pony around the arena, screaming like a banshee, pretending the (saint of a) pony was taking off with her and she was terrified. Then she'd get off the pony (who'd stand like the saint he is), faff with the phone, and do another take. Needless to say, the slightly sharper horse I was riding did not appreciate this. I asked what she was doing, and she said it was for Tik Tok. Making it look like you're being run away with for the social media hits. What? I was like, how about don't do that when other people are in the arena, because we might actually end up being run away with, and it's really not amusing. She took it on board and knocked it off, but Jesus. This is what wee kids are getting up to these days?

I can remember doing some incredibly stupid things with ponies when I was a child. That isn't a new thing, filming it for likes is new.
If we'd had the capability to film ourselves in the 'old days' our parents might have found out about what we got up to and they'd have tanned our hides.
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If they did so now, someone would complain about the hide-tanning.
 
Because, obviously, the only way someone can be aware of a phenomenon is by subscribing to it and supporting it...

If you exist on the internet, on social spaces - which include forums, it's almost impossible not to be aware of the child influencer phenomenon, or the names of some of those involved.
 
I've only seen HW's name here. The other kid, the one who's parents are after free stables, they are or were relatively local to me I think, the father used to post on our local horse groups so I knew of him before he had the kid. Basically other than what's been said on here, I'm pretty much unaware of most of it.
 
JFTDWS said:
Because, obviously, the only way someone can be aware of a phenomenon is by subscribing to it and supporting it...

If you exist on the internet, on social spaces - which include forums, it's almost impossible not to be aware of the child influencer phenomenon, or the names of some of those involved.
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I think one has to boycott and block it, just as you did, post 28, after months of exposure to something you disagreed with.
 
Exasperated said:
Even better, boycott the lot of them, but what bit I have gleaned from this thread (nearly 300 contributions) is that plenty of posters do know about the influencer phenomenon, about child influencers and individuals in particular, and about their ponies, the products and companies they promote, their parents, whether they are in school / on holiday / at some venue or other, ad infinitum. And that plenty of posters also use Facebook, instagram and other electronic sources which might provide this information, presuming they don’t generally have personal, first hand knowledge. So yes, I think that is likely.
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I see your point.

I disagree though, as to me there is a very big difference between someone watching a TV series about a couple in Chelsea, and someone being aware of equestrian influencers via discussions. Especially for people on an equestrian forum, where they have discussions. And I don't see one as linked to the other.

As an aside (and it's just a grumble from me as it is really annoying me today), I don't know if you use facebook or not, but recently my facebook feed is mostly content that I DON'T follow. I have a hundred odd friends, follow many pages/groups linked to my particular interests, yet the content that facebook thinks I really want to see first is someone I don't know, writing in a language I don't even recognise the characters of, followed by a handful of sponsored posts, then a handful of suggested posts I might like, then I may get a couple of posts from groups/people I follow. Then, after a dozen or so posts, I may actually see a post from one of my 'favourite' friends. That they posted a week ago... :rolleyes::mad:. Bit off topic, but the point I was going to make is that no one needs to follow any equestrian influencers to be aware of them or see their posts - facebook is probably more likely to show you the post of an influencer you don't follow than someone you do care about.
 
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