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Just a quick thought as its breeding season whether each poster who uses this forum regularly could post if they have any associations with a stud either owning, close friends with owner, working with at some point or riding a particular stallion? It would just help in my mind when people are giving advice how neutral it is! It will probably help other people as well as sometimes the same stallions get banded around for very different types of mare.

I myself have no associations but see a lot of stock out eventing and keep a close eye on what is doing well and its bloodlines. I have no bias towards any breed as long as it looks great and performs.
 
Ok i will start.
I am Sallyf or Groomsbridge when i change the name back and obviously am Groomsbridge stud.
Stallions i own are Groomsbridge May I ,American Agent and High Tension.
Stallions i am associated with as they either stand with me or do walk in collections from us are.
Adonnis ,AmourG,Electrum,Sambertino,Scallys Missile, Winchester D, Zinnedy and also Forest Gump does walk ins but isnt advertised through us.
There will be another couple this week but names not confirmed at the moment.
Now i have no qualms about saying who i am openly and who i am associated with but i just hope that admin dont slap me on the wrist for breaking advertising rules when i am actually answering this in the spirit it is meant.
I dont know perphaps i should have done this by PM?
 
I have always understood that promotional posts for stallions that one owns or is directly responsible for are not allowed on this forum by HHO's own rules. They used to police this quite heavily becuase they saw such posts as a threat to their advertising income so most of us knew where we were -- and some of us that have a wide knowledge of the industry still do recognise (and reject :-) the obviously 'planted' posts even now. Of course, if a stallion is criticiized in a message I think most of us would regard a right to reply as only fair, but that is a different issue.
 
I dont own any stallions, but know a lot of stallion owners, many of whom I am friends with. Some stallions I have used so can give personal experience of what worked with my own mares. I do breed Trakehners so often suggest that breed if I feel it appropriate, but I also use TB, Hanoverian and very occasionally Dutch blood in my breeding program and I come from a TB background, so no real breed bias.
 
Some I think its really clear and most are very open but some I do wonder about. Not making any notes or keeping lists but I think there are probably a lot of lurkers who read and take note in peoples advice and it would be helpful.
 
I'm friends with a few stallion owners but anytime I mention a stallion's name, it's entirely impartial. No point sending a wrong mare to a wrong stallion just to put money in someone else's pocket!!!
 
Well, the rumours running around for the last couple of months are that jamesmeade is a well known stallion owner who has another identity on this forum.
 
Eothain said:
I'm friends with a few stallion owners but anytime I mention a stallion's name, it's entirely impartial. No point sending a wrong mare to a wrong stallion just to put money in someone else's pocket!!!
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absolutely agree,
I don't own any stallions but do know quite a few and would only recommend one if I felt it the right one for the right mare. I also only usually recommend stallions whose offspring I have seen personally out of several different types of mare.
 
harrietltb said:
Well, the rumours running around for the last couple of months are that jamesmeade is a well known stallion owner who has another identity on this forum.
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I know Jamesmead and am not aware of another id on this forum.

I am not connected with any stallions unless you count ones that I have used on my own mares.
 
I'm Jessica and myself and my partner Jamie run Euro Sports Horse our web address is in my profile. We breed several mares a year and stand Santo Hit. I post occasionally mainly when we have a foal or some interesting news to share and sometimes on posts asking about various stallions if i have used/have experience of them but running the stud and training horses keeps me busy most of the hours of the day!
 
LynneB said:
absolutely agree,
I don't own any stallions but do know quite a few and would only recommend one if I felt it the right one for the right mare. I also only usually recommend stallions whose offspring I have seen personally out of several different types of mare.
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Another vote for this clear statement!

Like LynneB I don't own a stallion, and so far have used Caretino Glory, Amiro Z, El Thuder, Warrior, Contados and Capitalist on mares - so a range of studs across the UK, Continental Europe and Ireland : Brendon Stud, Zangersheide, Tannenhof, and Cullintra Stud ..... And I'd endorse how valuable it is to have seen the offspring of stallions that you are considering, although I haven't always stuck to that rule for myself. Where I have, I think the results have been more successful!
 
Eothain said:
I'm friends with a few stallion owners but anytime I mention a stallion's name, it's entirely impartial. No point sending a wrong mare to a wrong stallion just to put money in someone else's pocket!!!
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LynneB said:
absolutely agree,
do know quite a few and would only recommend one if I felt it the right one for the right mare. I also only usually recommend stallions whose offspring I have seen personally out of several different types of mare.
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Spot on,
have become friends with stallion owners through using the stallions and appreciating the stock they breed, but will only recomend them if they suit the purpose required.:)
 
Simsar said:
Spot on,
have become friends with stallion owners through using the stallions and appreciating the stock they breed, but will only recomend them if they suit the purpose required.:)
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Ditto me too!

Although I may really like a stallion I have used I would only recommend if I thought it suited the mare/type in question.
 
"do know quite a few and would only recommend one if I felt it the right one for the right mare. I also only usually recommend stallions whose offspring I have seen personally out of several different types of mare"

and

"have become friends with stallion owners through using the stallions and appreciating the stock they breed, but will only recomend them if they suit the purpose required"

ditto, I feel exactly the same way.
 
We do own Stallions, I do promote the breeding of coloured TBs having studied from the best in the states and their bloodlines, I also try to help other UK owners of TB's stallions or mares promote there stock as this is a new exciting and emerging market.pure and part bred.
We are breeding for the racetrack but our youngstock sells for sports as well.
I also know the history of the coloured horse in the UK,(sports only) as I was a committee member of Chaps and a PR officer for the society, so know what bloodlines horses carry and where they came from.
sorry to ramble.
 
harrietltb said:
Well, the rumours running around for the last couple of months are that jamesmeade is a well known stallion owner who has another identity on this forum.
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One has to appreciate the irony of seeing this comment from this particular user...

I would be tempted to ignore it, but past form suggests that someone else could be subjected to an off-forum character-blackening campaign as a result of the mistaken identity. So I'll confirm (as I believe I have said before on here?) that I do not stand a stallion at present and am not an affiliate of any particular stud or stallion but am returning to breeding as a mare owner; as such, my views are my own and I'm rather surprised to find myself, as someone so straightforward, the subject of rumour.

I'd be interested to know who Harriet thinks I am; partly out of curiousity and partly so that I can warn them to watch their back.
 
I have no affiliation to any stallion or stud or breed. I breed very occasionally and spend far too many hours researching stallions in an effort to choose the best possible sire for any foals I breed.

Wherever possible I go to see the stallion in the flesh as I don't think there is any substitute for actually seeing them and their temperament and movement first hand and if you can see their offspring too, so much the better.

If I do recommend a stallion it is because it is one that has got a lot of ticks in boxes on my own personal check sheet: sound, good temperament, proven in competition, strong damline, quality offspring or if a young sire the bloodlines the stallion carries make me think they are worth taking a chance on.
 
We have a stallion but rarely have outside mares, concentrating instead on breeding youngsters to sell.
In the past I have sent mares to Dutch/ Holstein/TB/Selle Francais/ID/ TBx ID stallions in the North and South of the country.
If I recommend a stallion it's genuine because I have no financial connections with anyone involved!
It's because I like them myself and had I a suitable mare would use them.
Sadly there are users on this forum who are here purely to attract potential customers for their own stallions, in some cases posing as the opposite sex with several usernames.
I do tend to feel however that anyone breeding these days has enough knowledge to decide for themselves without lots of recommendations from anyone else, so the charade of pretending to be someone else is really rather tedious.
It also would put me off, because if any stallion owner were really that desperate to get business, I would suspect something worrying about them or their stallions, surely the proof is in the business generated and the number of satisfied customers?
Higher up someone has slated a poster for recommending a stud, yet she says in her reply, the reason she recommends is she's happy with what she has bred.
To me that means far more than any hidden stallion owner spouting bile at everyone else...
 
henryhorn said:
We have a stallion but rarely have outside mares, concentrating instead on breeding youngsters to sell.
In the past I have sent mares to Dutch/ Holstein/TB/Selle Francais/ID/ TBx ID stallions in the North and South of the country.
If I recommend a stallion it's genuine because I have no financial connections with anyone involved!
It's because I like them myself and had I a suitable mare would use them.
Sadly there are users on this forum who are here purely to attract potential customers for their own stallions, in some cases posing as the opposite sex with several usernames.
I do tend to feel however that anyone breeding these days has enough knowledge to decide for themselves without lots of recommendations from anyone else, so the charade of pretending to be someone else is really rather tedious.
It also would put me off, because if any stallion owner were really that desperate to get business, I would suspect something worrying about them or their stallions, surely the proof is in the business generated and the number of satisfied customers?
Higher up someone has slated a poster for recommending a stud, yet she says in her reply, the reason she recommends is she's happy with what she has bred.
To me that means far more than any hidden stallion owner spouting bile at everyone else...
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Hear, hear
 
Perhaps it would just be better if admin simply banned "which stallion" threads, they are what cause the real problems on this board, nothing else. Very little fact ever finds its way on here like scores from stallion gradings and so on. A serious stallion owner would be punting for business here, this forum is famous for what gets written on it and a lot of stud and AI centres want to see it is closed.

Alternatively get posters to put their real names up, which would prevent people saying most of what they get away with on here.
 
After 21 post you certainly know alot about this forum Harriet!! Those with nothing to hide do use there real names!!

Simsar: Sim=Simon Sar=Sarah
Simon this time;)
 
Isn't it all rather academic? People recommend stallions because they suited their mare. It is impossible to identify from photos what will suit a mare unless you see her in the flesh and can see those not so obvious faults that most mares have so you can take them into account when choosing a stallion.

I never use stallions that I cannot look in the eye and see in the flesh, the same as with buying a horse, in person you know if he is not for you see in the flesh your mare. You can also observe his little foibles too and then make a considered judgement.

Any stallion owner worth using will give you impartial advice about suitability of their horses for your mare and it does not matter how experienced a breeder you are, a good stallion man or woman will tell you straight why a horse would not suit your mare. They will also tell you who will suit your mare and the reasons why. These are the people I use whose opinions I respect and who actualy care about what is being bred from their horses.

Studs of course have to be commercial but they need to retain a little integrity too and subterfuge on a forum is not awfully appealing to horse breeders. Be upfront lads if you have a stallion or invite a PM from people to discuss the attributes of your stock.
 
harrietltb said:
Perhaps it would just be better if admin simply banned "which stallion" threads, they are what cause the real problems on this board, nothing else. Very little fact ever finds its way on here like scores from stallion gradings and so on. A serious stallion owner would be punting for business here, this forum is famous for what gets written on it and a lot of stud and AI centres want to see it is closed.

Alternatively get posters to put their real names up, which would prevent people saying most of what they get away with on here.
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I am Shirley Light from Brendon Stud, I stand 11 stallions, please feel free to pm me for their names and any info. [don't want to advertise them here!!]

Harriet you forgot to say who you were!
 
harrietltb said:
Perhaps it would just be better if admin simply banned "which stallion" threads, they are what cause the real problems on this board, nothing else. Very little fact ever finds its way on here like scores from stallion gradings and so on. A serious stallion owner would be punting for business here, this forum is famous for what gets written on it and a lot of stud and AI centres want to see it is closed.

Alternatively get posters to put their real names up, which would prevent people saying most of what they get away with on here.
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as you seem to like facts facts facts, maybe you could name all the studs and AI centres who want to see it closed..I have been to a lot this year and only one name has ever come up as the one people want off the forums...I wonder who that can be...my name is Lynne, I bet your name isn't Harriet, so why are you asking others to provide information that you yourself are unwilling to provide?

It is also odd to me, that on another forum stallions are spoken of and promoted with no problems whatsoever. Indeed ALL the stallion owners there are supportive of each other and each other's offspring - it can't happen here as one derisive individual is allowed time and time again to come and trash anyone else's stallion in favour of his own..does he do it under his own name? No he makes up a zillion - including ones to have on standby for later use, and then lets rip with a tirade

All this fact finding fools no one, ok so you have 2 stallions (possibly) who have a performance record behind them, congratulations. Other stallion owners I know allow their stallions to tread easily in their early years so as to ensure they remain sound for long periods and are happy in their work. It is not all about how much money you can make out of a stallion, how many 100s of coverings you can get out of the poor guy each year, it is about quality of life. So no, many don't have enormous competition records by the time they are 6..who cares..it is up to individual mare owners to choose them on their own merits, breedlines and offspring on the ground. Mare owners do not need to be beaten to death with facts, they can make up their own minds
 
Why should 'which stallion threads' be banned??? At the end of the day, as has already been said elsewhere....people suggest stallions and it is then up to the owner of the mare to do their research andmake their decisions based on what suits their mares. There is absolutely no reason for these threads to spiral into a 'my stallion is better than yours' childish debate. Nor should it be necessary to spout on here the exact comp, grading and overall records of stallion. Again, if an owner is that interested...they will do their research and find out themselves!!!

My name is Jane....I have been on this forum for several years now as well as another breeding forum. I have recently launhed my owned independant stud called Equinox Sport Horses and anyone is welcome to look me up on there. With the stud I have a small group of mare and a young stallion who will hopeully prove worthy enugh to grade and I am looking to expand if and when the right mares come along! I have worked and ocmpeted in the industry both in this country and abroad since I was 5 yrs old and my experience in the eventing industry is sufficient to qualify me enough to feel I am able to give a halfway decent opinion. If anyone has any requests as to what exactly these qualifications are then ask away as I have nothing to hide.

Irresepective of the above though.....I still do not feel we should have to justify our existences on here but as we are on the subject and everyone is being so open.....HARRIET....who are you??
 
harrietltb said:
Perhaps it would just be better if admin simply banned "which stallion" threads, they are what cause the real problems on this board, nothing else. Very little fact ever finds its way on here like scores from stallion gradings and so on. A serious stallion owner would be punting for business here, this forum is famous for what gets written on it and a lot of stud and AI centres want to see it is closed.
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How many studs and AI centres do you have affiliations with Harriet that you can make such a statement?

Very little fact appears on this forum? Surely finding out exact information on any stallion, mare or indeed even a gelding for pleasure riding, is the responsibility of the person writing the cheque? I dont know any serious breeder who would choose a stallion based on anything anyone writes on here. Stallion suggestions are just that, suggestions, nothing more.
 
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