Colour and temperament

Five&Two said:
???? When I see her tomorrow I'll ask her to get me a copy of his reports etc and post the link for all you ' know it all's' dog people are more self righteous than horse people. ?? In the grand scheme of things there's no such thing as a bad or wrong colour in any animal.
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Genetics isn't just the literal colour you see in front of you, is the point, in horses or dogs, I'm staring at pages of it here, in just one relatively boringly coloured breed, and it's too complex for my poor brain.
It's ok for other people to know stuff. Or not, in my case, by the looks of it ???
 
Cinnamontoast said:
Hmm, I too would be interested in seeing the research paper, preferably more than one. Re no bad colour, are you including double merles?!
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The kennel club have recently stated that they will no longer register merle in certain breeds. There have been merle cropping up in bulldogs, French bulldogs, I have even seen it in a Min Pin although I do think this one was possibly a crossbreed. The merle gene is of course linked with many other problems which is why the double merle gene is so bad, deafness, blindness and liver problems to name a few
 
Pearlsasinger said:
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Interestingly it used to be said that for showing yellow Labs should have a black nose. Obviously the old showers/breeders didn't understand the genetics involved (or maybe they did and just didn't want the liver gene to be passed on).
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Now I agree a black nose is more attractiive but mine both suffer from putty coloured!
 
Pearlsasinger said:
:D:D:D:D


Interestingly it used to be said that for showing yellow Labs should have a black nose. Obviously the old showers/breeders didn't understand the genetics involved (or maybe they did and just didn't want the liver gene to be passed on).
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They absolutely did understand the genetics, you do a massive disfavour to “old showers/breeders” - I rather think that Mary Roslin Williams and the like knew their stuff more than anyone on this thread ?

They didn’t want the liver gene, any more than (for example) cavalier breeders want mis-marked wholecolours. It’s a show thing ?
 
Clodagh said:
Now I agree a black nose is more attractiive but mine both suffer from putty coloured!
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Our yellow pup, who is verging on fox-red has a toffee coloured nose.
One of the cream litter sisters that we got when I was 12 had a toffee nose and the other a black nose. The whole litter was yellow and (I think) that both parents were yellow. We only met mum and I can't remember the pedigree now except that there were Sandilands and Drakeshead in it.
 
Levrier said:
They absolutely did understand the genetics, you do a massive disfavour to “old showers/breeders” - I rather think that Mary Roslin Williams and the like knew their stuff more than anyone on this thread ?

They didn’t want the liver gene, any more than (for example) cavalier breeders want mis-marked wholecolours. It’s a show thing ?
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Well I did say:


Pearlsasinger said:
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Interestingly it used to be said that for showing yellow Labs should have a black nose. Obviously the old showers/breeders didn't understand the genetics involved (or maybe they did and just didn't want the liver gene to be passed on).
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At that time (late 60s, early 70s) Labs were expected to do both jobs, showing and working, our pedigrees had a number of Dual Champions in them, so it certainly wasn't just a 'show thing'.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
Well I did say:





At that time (late 60s, early 70s) Labs were expected to do both jobs, showing and working, our pedigrees had a number of Dual Champions in them, so it certainly wasn't just a 'show thing'.
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You miss the point entirely - yes of course it was a show thing, regardless of whether the dogs were bred to be dual purpose or not? IF your dual purpose dog is going to succeed in the show ring then it must meet certain criteria (the breed standard) and have an ‘off’ nose is a complete no no for show people

I haven’t read MRW book for many years but it was on the bookshelf as required reading when I was a kid, I think she has quite a few dual purpose labs
 
Clodagh said:
now if I could have a Merle Labrador...
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Omg, those ones linked a while back were really weird looking!

Pearlsasinger said:
:D:D:D:D


Interestingly it used to be said that for showing yellow Labs should have a black nose. Obviously the old showers/breeders didn't understand the genetics involved (or maybe they did and just didn't want the liver gene to be passed on).
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Is it called a Dudley if a yellow has a brown nose?
 
CorvusCorax said:
Genetics isn't just the literal colour you see in front of you, is the point, in horses or dogs, I'm staring at pages of it here, in just one relatively boringly coloured breed, and it's too complex for my poor brain.
It's ok for other people to know stuff. Or not, in my case, by the looks of it ???
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It’s all just Maths, innit?! ???
 
Levrier said:
This thread is absolutely hilarious, why haven’t I looked before?!!

i am particularly delighted with the idea that if a “Laird” has bred a dog it must be extra special somehow ???
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I hope that wasnt aimed at me, I only mentioned the Laird as I know he is a well known breeder of working gundogs and though I dont know his name I thought someone might be able to identify him through that description.
 
Dobiegirl said:
I hope that wasnt aimed at me, I only mentioned the Laird as I know he is a well known breeder of working gundogs and though I dont know his name I thought someone might be able to identify him through that description.
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oh dear....it wasn’t “aimed” at any specific user, I noticed quite a few mentions of lairds on the thread and it amused me, that’s all ?
 
Re the merle labradors. I do know of one, a friend bred a litter, can't remember how many pups but quite a few, mum yellow lab, dad black lab. However one of the pups was marked just like a pretty blue merle collie. It also had a slightly pointier nose and was a bit skinnier and hairier than the others. The assumption is that mum was a naughty girl with a neighbours collie (blue merle) when no one was looking but I think the litter were being registered as labs. I never did find out what happened to the merle one.
 
Thistle said:
Re the merle labradors. I do know of one, a friend bred a litter, can't remember how many pups but quite a few, mum yellow lab, dad black lab. However one of the pups was marked just like a pretty blue merle collie. It also had a slightly pointier nose and was a bit skinnier and hairier than the others. The assumption is that mum was a naughty girl with a neighbours collie (blue merle) when no one was looking but I think the litter were being registered as labs. I never did find out what happened to the merle one.
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That's not a lab though
 
A good number of years ago now, we had a litter of working labs which included a black, with tan points and a black with a white bib. We had several generations of the parents(well, grandparents did!) and no reason to suspect anything other than labrador in there. Black and tan was an exceptional working and family dofgand his legend lives on in family stories!
 
Thistle said:
Re the merle labradors. I do know of one, a friend bred a litter, can't remember how many pups but quite a few, mum yellow lab, dad black lab. However one of the pups was marked just like a pretty blue merle collie. It also had a slightly pointier nose and was a bit skinnier and hairier than the others. The assumption is that mum was a naughty girl with a neighbours collie (blue merle) when no one was looking but I think the litter were being registered as labs. I never did find out what happened to the merle one.
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I feel that they should not have registered the merle, you can imagine it will be in much demand.
 
Clodagh said:
I feel that they should not have registered the merle, you can imagine it will be in much demand.
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Clodagh said:
I feel that they should not have registered the merle, you can imagine it will be in much demand.
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In the old days, that pup would have either been pts or quietly given away to someone in search of a pet. It certainly wouldn't have been celebrated as a rarity. However it has long been known that black Labs can be born with white spots, especially on the chest. They don't do well in the show ring though. Goodness knows where the black and tan genes came from!
 
The info I found seemed to stick with v. historical establishment of breeds, so they almost lost it rather than gained it if that makes sense?
 
CorvusCorax said:
Some people need to read up on colour genetics, masking genes, alleles, dominant/recessive colours etc, as I mentioned earlier, a black dog can be genetically white....it's not as simple as 'a red dog isn't yellow'.
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Not familiar with that book title, but I do like ‘yellow is the new black’ or ‘chocolate isn’t the only fruit’or my particular favourite ‘Fifty Shades of Labrador’ ....??
 
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