Colour - lovely example of a Wild Bay >>>>>>>>>>>

[Meowy Catkin]

Note the way that the black pigment is more restricted compared to a normal bay and is mainly from the fetlock down, plus the mane, ear tips and tail.

Here's a link to the ad.
http://www.horseandhound.co.uk/clas...attleborough/arab-pure-show-filly-463660.html

 

[milliepops]

Thanks for posting looks like she's got ankle socks on! I do prefer the normal bay with more black on their legs but it's interesting to see the difference.

 

[LittleRooketRider]

Beautiful!

You learn something new everyday..even better when its horse related.

 

[rowan666]

learn something new on here everyday! imagine not having to white socks to scrub!

 

[Dizzleton]

What would you class my boy as? I've always thought bright bay as he has mainly black legs in the summer (but not like a typical bay) and legs like this in the winter/spring.

Very old photo and not me riding!

 

[Cortez]

OP, that's what we used to call a washy bay. Much prefer the "hard" bays (civilised as opposed to wild?) with dense black above the knees and hocks.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

C - LOL at civilised bays!

JC - there doesn't seem to be much black on the sides of his legs, so he might have been a wide type bay.

R666 - although the filly doesn't have white markings, it is possible to have white markings over a wild bay. Long stockings on all four legs would make it hard to tell a normal bay from a wild type one without a DNA test that can differentiate between the different types of agouti (A = bay, At = brown and A+ = wild type bay).

 

[PolarSkye]

So what would you call a horse with a red/sorrel base body, no black points to speak of, white socks, some small patches/flecks of white in isolated places in the coat (a little splash on the chest - about the size of a wine glass and some other tiny patches), white socks, a dorsal stripe in the summer, and a black mane and tail with definite strands/plumes of red?

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[Pinkvboots]

OP, that's what we used to call a washy bay. Much prefer the "hard" bays (civilised as opposed to wild?) with dense black above the knees and hocks.

I call one of my Arabs a washy bay he looks like his been washed too many times compared to tye other bay I have, he also has quite alot of light hairs on his legs and a dorsal stripe so maybe his just half donkey lol! The filly is very pretty though I like her.

 

[SunSeeker]

So what would you call a horse with a red/sorrel base body, no black points to speak of, white socks, some small patches/flecks of white in isolated places in the coat (a little splash on the chest - about the size of a wine glass and some other tiny patches), white socks, a dorsal stripe in the summer, and a black mane and tail with definite strands/plumes of red?

P

Sounds lovely!
I'd call him Picasso!

 

[PolarSkye]

Sounds lovely!
I'd call him Picasso!

He's a she, and she is (lovely) - not mine, sadly. Just wondered what colour the experts would say she is. She's not bay, not chestnut - but what? The white on her chest isn't a solid splash, just a patch of white hairs, almost like ticking or roaning. She has others too, but not as large or as pronounced/defined. She is dappling now that her summer coat is coming through.

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[Meowy Catkin]

Could you PM me a photo if you don't want to post someone else's horse on the forum?

 

[BigPony]

I believe (but am prepared to be corrected!) that my boy is wild bay. He has 3 socks and a white snip and is definitely not civilised!!

 

[Circe]

OP, Is there a good (but in plain English for idiots type ) book that explains some of these colours.
I'm interested in learning, and can recognise a lot of the appaloosa coats, but I've never heard of wild or civilised bays !
Also, this might sound dumb, but can anyone suggest why my bay tb looks like he has a dorsal stripe, but is also getting a lot of blonde hairs in his tail?
Kx

 

[PolarSkye]

Could you PM me a photo if you don't want to post someone else's horse on the forum?

Done.

 

[ester]

So what would you call a horse with a red/sorrel base body, no black points to speak of, white socks, some small patches/flecks of white in isolated places in the coat (a little splash on the chest - about the size of a wine glass and some other tiny patches), white socks, a dorsal stripe in the summer, and a black mane and tail with definite strands/plumes of red?

P

possibility of a red dun?

 

[ester]

Done.

can I see too?

 

[Meowy Catkin]

I've replied PS.

Dorsal stripes are interesting as they don't always indicate a true Dun. For example Buckskins can have them (which can seriously confuse people), plus I have seen a few chestnut arabs (no Dun in the breed) with them.

For anyone interested in colour this website is a good start. http://whitehorseproductions.com/equinecolor.html

 

[ester]

Or sooty on chestnut. . .

 

[Brightbay]

Blond hairs around the root of the tail on a bay is another gene called rabicano, I think? My (17hh ISH) wild bay has these, along with occasional white hairs along his flanks. The dorsal stripe is more part of the pangaré, I think?

Here's the big fellow showing his winter "mealy" colouring - he gets it on his belly and the long winter hairs on his black legs are blond. We think some Connemara maybe in with the Irish Draught and TB.

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Bigpony - do you have any more photos showing his non white leg without the strong sun on it?

ETA - Rabicano does cause the 'coon tail' effect, plus the 'roany' flanks.

Two things can cause pale muzzles, round the eyes and underneath the horse. Brown (one of the agouti alleles) and pangare which is normally seen in exmoors and haflingers. Pangare tends to give a paler effect than Brown.

 

[BigPony]

The backs of his knees are almost stripey at times. He has the occasional white hair through his coat.

 

[Beausmate]

I have a bay (in avatar) with very black points and clear countershading. So, dorsal stripe, darker cheekbones and black ear edging. No dun whatsoever.

 

[PolarSkye]

I've replied PS.

Dorsal stripes are interesting as they don't always indicate a true Dun. For example Buckskins can have them (which can seriously confuse people), plus I have seen a few chestnut arabs (no Dun in the breed) with them.

For anyone interested in colour this website is a good start. http://whitehorseproductions.com/equinecolor.html

Thank you Faracat .

As to the dorsal stripe, the mare is definitely not an arab . . . nor is she a TB.

I do know of more than one chestnut TB with a dorsal stripe - probably from the arab influence on the breed.

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[sasquatch]

How interesting, what an interesting thread.

I am yet again unsure of my boys colour, he went very dark again this winter (nearly black) but kept his cream/light points opposed to last year when he was a dark chocolate brown and lighter points were more a sandy brown.

This year, his summer coat has left his shoulders gold and dappled, with his legs black. It's still coming through in a lot of places, but each year he seems to get lighter and lighter. His neck is black bar round his ears and shoulders, and it looks like his bum is sand coloured underneath his gingery-brown winter coat.

I'm not sure if he's a bay or an oddity lol.

I do enjoy your genetics posts Faracat

 

[Meowy Catkin]

S - The horse in your signature looks like a dark brown or seal brown if you prefer (they both mean the same thing).

 

[HeresHoping]

Ooo... whilst you are at it (please ignore riding, just three months into riding after 18 year break), I've always wondered... We called her a bright bay, but I guess the dorsal stripe = pangare?

And here's her summer plumage:

 

[Meowy Catkin]

Bright bay looks right to me.

 

[HeresHoping]

Bright bay looks right to me.

So in this instance the dorsal stripe is irrelevant? Thank you.

 

[Sukistokes2]

so what colour was this girl? She had a dorsal stripe, stripes down over her shoulders and on her legs, she was well over 20 in this picture?