Coloured racehorse update

Sorry I'm with Bonny on the coloured TB front. I'm a traditionalist - bay, chestnut, brown and grey. Pancake was a chestnut with excessive sobino splashes - not a full blown coloured. Still not my cup of tea though - I hate too much white!

As for the subject of ex-racehorses - how can you justify calling it an "Ex-Racehorse" when it hasn't had the full racing experience? It's all fine and well them galloping at home - we had one so bloomin useless it never made it twice up our gallops before we gave up on it - but until they have been to the track, felt the buzz, done all the pre-parade stuff, saddled up, jumped off and actually raced I wouldn't call it an Ex-Racehorse. Sorry.

Ones that go into training but leave before racing I call Failed Racehorses - they simply weren't good enough either by being too slow, not got the mentality or they broke before they made it to the track - all failures.

A horse currently in training but yet to race I call an Attempted Racehorse. Until it proves it's worth by either racing or being booted out of school it's name won't change.

I also hate the term Ex-Racers - to me that sounds as though the horse has raced but has been put out of racing for being useless. For the true racehorses that had their careers and retired due to age after at least a few years of service I prefer to call Retired Racehorses.

On the subject of Angrove's horse - I will be interested to see how it runs but I'm not holding out any hopes for it - sorry. You also mention that it had pretty much a year in the field at home, did you not also say at some stage that he had had a leg injury? Or was that another horse? Might be mixing 2 up here.
 
SusannaF said:
But Rummie is still in training, with entries for races.... Not quite the same thing as your boy.
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I was referring to the dictionary definition previously quoted to uphold the idea that the lad in this thread is a racehorse without having raced...
race·horse (rshôrs)
n.
A horse bred and trained to race.
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Mine suits that dictionary definition too so yes, from that perspective, it is the same - I just don't agree with it...:D

When this lad does race I'd call him a racehorse... Until he does he's a horse in training to race... Just my own interpretation of the 'label' and no reflection on the horse at all... I am not trying to belittle him in any way - I wouldn't, personally, call any horse who hasn't raced a racehorse or an ex racehorse... :)
 
I do nit know much about the race world, have ridden youngster ( in my thinner days) for Market rasen , and that is where my experience starts and ends.

He looks lovely, and could not care less what the deffantion of a racer is, but... Good luck and I hope he does well xx
 
EKW said:
Sorry I'm with Bonny on the coloured TB front. I'm a traditionalist - bay, chestnut, brown and grey. Pancake was a chestnut with excessive sobino splashes - not a full blown coloured. Still not my cup of tea though - I hate too much white!

As for the subject of ex-racehorses - how can you justify calling it an "Ex-Racehorse" when it hasn't had the full racing experience? It's all fine and well them galloping at home - we had one so bloomin useless it never made it twice up our gallops before we gave up on it - but until they have been to the track, felt the buzz, done all the pre-parade stuff, saddled up, jumped off and actually raced I wouldn't call it an Ex-Racehorse. Sorry.

Ones that go into training but leave before racing I call Failed Racehorses - they simply weren't good enough either by being too slow, not got the mentality or they broke before they made it to the track - all failures.

A horse currently in training but yet to race I call an Attempted Racehorse. Until it proves it's worth by either racing or being booted out of school it's name won't change.

I also hate the term Ex-Racers - to me that sounds as though the horse has raced but has been put out of racing for being useless. For the true racehorses that had their careers and retired due to age after at least a few years of service I prefer to call Retired Racehorses.

On the subject of Angrove's horse - I will be interested to see how it runs but I'm not holding out any hopes for it - sorry. .
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I actually agree with this too.
However, I DO wish Angrove's horse all the best and I HOPE to be proved wrong. He may be a champion in the wings, and I'd be happy to applaud all connections then.
I do like following his updates, I have close racing connections as part of my work, and I hear little of those that are in training, and the updates from ''Rummy'' help me to understand behind the scenes.

There was also a coloured yearling that went through the Tattersalls sale ring last autumn, ''he may be trained to race, or he may become a cow-pony'' Or words to that effect! He was in book 3, so was never going to be 'top horse'. He stood out - thats for sure!
 
EKW Rummy came home to grow he was a late foal july! so hes four this July he has grown and now is very strong he did not have a leg injury but would have had a sore shim had we carried on his work was stopped as we ran out of time to race him on the flat and I and the trainer did not want him to develope any problems.
As to weather or not you like him or not couldnt care less ! weather you do or dont I dont like lots of types of horse's but thats personal and I would never openly criticis someones horse based on colour, I would keep my opinion to myself, but thats me I respect you dont like him based on the fact you called him IT!
 
Fools-Motto the yearling you are referring to will have been by the Bay Overo stallion - I Was Framed. Brought over from America by someone with the intentions of breeding multi-coloured racehorses and it kind of all went to pot. No one wanted to use him. He sired very few stock over here and I now believe he is in France with a pittance for a stud fee that will never cover his costs. A few of his stock have raced but none of them have ever been anywhere near the winners enclosure by a very, very long way.

I really do hope Angrove's horse proves us all wrong and I will be the first to congratulate them as we do need new bloodlines in TB's - it's all getting a bit too inbred - but I'm not a fan of the colour. I don't even like normal coloured horses such as the Cobs and Shetlands. Sorry, personal opinion.
 
My friends and I are really looking forward to seeing him on Friday and will have a sticker please!
I don't care if he is described as a racehorse or a gypsy cob but will follow his career with interest. I have experience with racing youngstock, some of whom never made it, including one who was as fast as fury but refused to go into the starting gates - would I call her an ex racehorse? Yeah probably.
A good horse is never a bad colour...
 
I quiet understand you dont like colour thats fine by me -it would be a very boring world if we all liked the same thing, but I do feel like you have said we are bringing good things to the party other then colour! thank you for wishing us well.
Sticker will be there ready !
 
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OP, I hope you didn't think I meant that Rummy is a bad colour! What I meant was that there is no such thing as a bad colour if it's a good horse! (And I used to have a piebald who thought he was a racehorse!)
 
moleskinsmum said:
OP, I hope you didn't think I meant that Rummy is a bad colour! What I meant was that there is no such thing as a bad colour if it's a good horse! (And I used to have a piebald who thought he was a racehorse!)
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I did not think anything but what you meant! thank you I will make sure you get that sticker xx
 
Found a brochure the other day when we went to Middleham in the 90's. there were loads more trainers then. Good luck with Rummy.
 
Stupid person alert* I always assumed that to race under rules the horse must be Wetherbys registered full TB. Really interesting to learn that is not the case.

You learn something knew everyday...
 
No doubt some time ago, coloured showjumpers would have been considered hopeless too.

Lots of French racehorses are Selle Francais I believe. And there are plenty of coloured harness racers about.

Guess a horse doesn't have to be a full TB to be fast and a coloured horse doesn't have to be useless.

Someone I knew went to see I Was Framed with a view to using him, she didn't think too much of him as I recall.
 
Kaylum Thank you I believe there are 15 trainers now, EnduroRider you do learn something new everyday,Beausmate when I started breeding coloured horses back in 1988 coloured horses where shouted down I Remember gong into an arab and part bred class with my then mare bassanos altair by blue Ludo to be shouted at by ringside judges! they were not not shouting long as I took my mares papers in to the ring and they judge shouted at them who else has a Blue Ludo in the ring with papers it soon shut them up !
 
Thing is, ime at least - coloured horses do have a much neater natural jumping action, something that many dangly TBs lack. Now if some of the coloured 'pony' gene can bring that into racing then I really don't see the problem. I'm aware you do want a showjumper going round a steeplechase course, but neater jumpers must be better surely :)
 
He looks gorgeous! If White Admiral is good enough for Nicky Henderson (although he is white, not coloured) then Im sure Rummy will do well . Good luck with him x
 
EnduroRider said:
Stupid person alert* I always assumed that to race under rules the horse must be Wetherbys registered full TB. Really interesting to learn that is not the case.

You learn something knew everyday...
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Yes I thought that too....

How much TB do they have to have to be allowed to race?

Im sure there was an Appaloosa/TB being trained to race, a few years ago, It was in the appy newsletters I used to get.. It was a few years ago now...

Well good luck with Rummy, he is lovely, but then I do like coloured and spotty horses.. Ive sent a request to your page so I can follow him..
 
Well I'm going to see Rummy on Friday at the open day. I wish you all the luck with him, I hope he proves the cynics wrong......and if he doesn't do well, he'll make someone a cracking riding horse!
 
angrovestud said:
10 months he was at home in a FIELD do understand what I have spelt out for you I am not connected to the two horses that raced just showing you it has been done already!
I really dont care what you think or say Bonny.
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There's been quite a few nicely coloured ones racing in the USA- I'm just drawing a blank on names!

I think he's a lovely lad and hope he does well for you.
 
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