comtois versus uk heavy breeds

These are not 'rescues' being 'rehomed'.

They are both imported and sold by a dealer.

No different to what loads of dealers do day in and day out.

How sad that the UK breeds are being neglected in favour of someone having spotted a way to make a fast buck.
 
Thank you for repeating the photos they are fabulous
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I think the people who rang up about him would like them all to be Jacobs colour ! my friend had about 45 calls for him in 3 days !!!
To be fair to Tonnere (chestnut) she had about 20 calls for him also
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I am glad you like them then how could anybody claiming to love horses not
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As you can see they are very different to UK heavies so I cannot see how they will pose a risk here. With the decline of Irish cobs coming into the country and the high prices of Cobs/heavies here there is obviously a demand for weightcarrying horses with good temperaments at affordable prices. This breed would appear to fit the bill.
 
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These are not 'rescues' being 'rehomed'.

They are both imported and sold by a dealer.

No different to what loads of dealers do day in and day out.

How sad that the UK breeds are being neglected in favour of someone having spotted a way to make a fast buck.

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How sad you are that you have to keep making the same unfounded accusations .
Your comments are based solely on your dislike of my friend because she would not give in to your constant bullying.
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You are a disgrace to Equine Welfare.
Disowned by WHW

Why do you hate horses so much that you want to kill so many.
 
These horses are being dealt.

£3k is hardly a rehoming fee.

I don't know your 'friend', so cannot like or dislike her. I do however wholeheartedly disapprove of and abhor the practices of dealing horses in variable states of well-being under the guise of rescue.
 
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These horses are being dealt.

£3k is hardly a rehoming fee.

I don't know your 'friend', so cannot like or dislike her. I do however wholeheartedly disapprove of and abhor the practices of dealing horses in variable states of well-being under the guise of rescue.

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Be honest you have spent the last year getting to know everyone's personal details on the Rescue sites. You know dam well who I am referring too.
Your disapproval of my friends practises are of no interest to most people and your influence is non existent.
You have no idea what re homing fees are agreed, you have no idea what expenses have been incurred. You do not run a re homing centre so you do not know the financial set up .
You work for a little unknown org in France pretending to rescue horses when in fact you spend all your time making trouble for the French Rescue Sites , you have no compassion for the horses rescued , you only want to win the Ego trip so that you can pat yourself on the back . Well tough biscuit, French Rescues are here to stay . If Defra brings in new importation rules then the french Rescue sites will abide by them. They have authority you on the other hand have none. You are a nobody with a flash title and a bunch of misguided followers who also have too much time on their hands. grow up and go away . when you moved to France you should have stuck your big nose firmly in the french soil.
Oh and by the way how are your couple of horses you rescued from the ''non existent fat farmers in France'' Have you got fed up with them yet and eaten them , because in your words that is all they are good for!!!
 
As the rescue sites currently flout the regulations, I cannot see why a change in regulations would have any impact on them.

As it stands, horses are being abused because of the practices adopted by the rescue sites, for all the reasons listed many times previously.

Your personal attacks merely serve to prove that you have no justifible comments to support your argument.
 
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As the rescue sites currently flout the regulations, I cannot see why a change in regulations would have any impact on them.

As it stands, horses are being abused because of the practices adopted by the rescue sites, for all the reasons listed many times previously.

Your personal attacks merely serve to prove that you have no justifible comments to support your argument.

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If regulations were flauted as you claim then I am sure by now French rescues would have ceased when in fact the rescue process is getting stronger and more efficient .

My comments about your practices are based on observations I have made over the past months on the way you conduct your "joke'' of a welfare org.

You and your followers have made all sorts of wild allegations in your attempt to send more horses to their deaths in France, none of your allegations have been based on fact, and like most anti protesters you have used bully boy tactics at every opportunity. Hopefully most of you have fallen out your tree by now!!!
 
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If regulations were flauted as you claim then I am sure by now French rescues would have ceased when in fact the rescue process is getting stronger and more efficient .

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Well they have actually ceased for one organisation, as there are difficulties on the French side in ensuring that horses are adequately documented prior to import. I am sure that they will start again, once these issues have been resolved. However, for the moment transporters are unable to bring horses in to the UK through fear of the implications of contravening Defra Regs.
 
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You and your followers have made all sorts of wild allegations in your attempt to send more horses to their deaths in France,

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I'm hardly the one making wild allegations...........
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These horses are being dealt.

£3k is hardly a rehoming fee.

I don't know your 'friend', so cannot like or dislike her. I do however wholeheartedly disapprove of and abhor the practices of dealing horses in variable states of well-being under the guise of rescue.

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Be honest you have spent the last year getting to know everyone's personal details on the Rescue sites. You know dam well who I am referring too.
Your disapproval of my friends practises are of no interest to most people and your influence is non existent.
You have no idea what re homing fees are agreed, you have no idea what expenses have been incurred. You do not run a re homing centre so you do not know the financial set up .
You work for a little unknown org in France pretending to rescue horses when in fact you spend all your time making trouble for the French Rescue Sites , you have no compassion for the horses rescued , you only want to win the Ego trip so that you can pat yourself on the back . Well tough biscuit, French Rescues are here to stay . If Defra brings in new importation rules then the french Rescue sites will abide by them. They have authority you on the other hand have none. You are a nobody with a flash title and a bunch of misguided followers who also have too much time on their hands. grow up and go away . when you moved to France you should have stuck your big nose firmly in the french soil.
Oh and by the way how are your couple of horses you rescued from the ''non existent fat farmers in France'' Have you got fed up with them yet and eaten them , because in your words that is all they are good for!!!

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Tezza, I didnt realise that you were so bloody childish! You are really showing your true self now and its not too pleasent a picture
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. Isnt that Vanessa sat on the liver chestnut?
 
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Thought you might like to see the Comtois and French cob that Reflex have rehomed They are both fantastic horses kind friendly, brilliant to handle, both were backed in a couple of days their temperament is amazing they just take everything in their stride, They were both snapped up within 24hrs of being advertised ,the response to their adverts was huge . They are lovely cobs will ride or drive and are not too big, approx 14.2 to 15.2 is normal. These cobs are not a threat to our Heavy horses as they are nothing like them they are much smaller, lighter more compact and do not have loads of feather.
There is an old saying do not knock it till you have tried it and I defy anyone who genuinely loves heavier/cob types to not warm to the Comtois.

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Hmmmm I recognise that bottom one, he was advertised for sale was he not? I believe the asking price was £3k? Hardly rescue! But I will admit he is a pretty colour! I'll bet you wish they were all that colour.

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And isnt the other one the poor lad who was broken and backed as a TWO year old the day after he was GELDED (on vets advice, of course
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to put a slightly lighter note back on this post, i love heavy horses and one day would LOVE to own a suffolk punch i think they are truly beautiful and i only hope we can keep them going before its too late
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However, for the moment transporters are unable to bring horses in to the UK through fear of the implications of contravening Defra Regs.

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Got that wrong in the last month at least 10 horses have arrived from France. You probably are not aware of their arrival .
What Defra regs are being contravened then? The transporters used by the sites have not stopped bringing horses to the UK according to my informant
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Tezza, I didnt realise that you were so bloody childish! You are really showing your true self now and its not too pleasent a picture
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I am not Teza but yes that is Vanessa.
I meant to be unpleasant in my comments.
If you do not like them do not read them.
I came on here to show people the lovely horses the Comtois are , the rest of my posts are in defence of my friend.
 
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to put a slightly lighter note back on this post, i love heavy horses and one day would LOVE to own a suffolk punch i think they are truly beautiful and i only hope we can keep them going before its too late
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Hi I absolutely agree I was lucky to have once owned a part bred Suffolk Punch and he was a fabulous pony.

How many of you fans have bought Heavy Horse mag its full of great stories about heavies and lots of info about shows etc
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As a kid I remember a horse at the pony club who was pure clydesdale. He did have his feathers shaved but it was obvious he was a clydesdale! He did dressage and show jumping with ease although xc was not his forte! He won lots of rosettes and most important, his owner always looked happy and enjoying him. When I am old I wouldn't mind a nice clydesdale to plod around on or turn his/her hoof to dressage or sj if I felt in the mood.
 
I don't understand this war with foreign or uk heavies. How can it be someone's fault if they choose to own a Comtois or other foreign breed. Our British breeds have been in decline for decades and can't be blamed on people having French imports? i think we are more to blame ourselves for the loss of the British heavyweights with our love of foreign imports like warmbloods and Irish bred horses. Can anyone tell me why it is okay to import Warmbloods but not to save Thoroughbreds in this country. Genuine question as I have watched and read on here.
 
Tormenta- i have to agree, i think the same principles should be applied across breeds in a way.

However, most warmbloods imported at great cost are done so for their elite breeding for a high level job i.e dressage or jumping. They are not usually imported because they are a cheap option or because people have been guilted into buying them.

I will say that tb rehoming seems to be on a steep increase as an alternative to warmbloods, and this pleases me no end.

I dislike the entire way the french rescue thing works tbh but i don't blame them for our decline in heavies, there's enough to blame them for other than that.

Rather than putting down the french imports, we should be raising awareness of the versatility of our own breeds. I think the suggestions made at the start about getting them more involved in showing etc are a great way to go.

For one, i'm not a huge heavy fan (perhaps because i'm only 5'1) but i don't think there is much more magnificent an animal than a well bred shire. I hope they do become more popular again, but i think the size can put people off as i know two people with shires who cannot find a yard with big enough stables, or who will let them be out 24/7. One yard even refused to have them on the grounds that it would eat too much grass
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I'm probably too late anyway, this will be gone by morning and i doubt there'l be many readers now tonight. Seems there can't be a sensible discussion these days without the post descending into mud slinging and having to be deleted
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Well I am still here, lol. These look like nice horses to me, and being smaller than our heavy horses perhaps fill a space in the market. I don't object to any type or breed of horse - each to their own. As long as the horses welfare is paramount then does it matter what horses people like to breed and buy. It is a shame if the older breeds decline, but as with anything, they may come back into fashion. I had heard clydesdales were popular int he states, so even if they are not popular over here, perhaps our heavy breed are being appreciated and used elsewhere.
 
The issue isn't with French Imports as far as I am aware, it is about horses of unknown origin, health, temperament being bought from low end dealers in France, shipped to the UK and 'rehomed' for large sums of money under the guise of rescue. Add to that the emotional blackmail used on the sites, mis-description of the horses and the fact they have been shipped in with strangles, life threatening melanomas, severe limb deformities etc, etc. This I do have a problem with.
 
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At last years Royal Norfolk Show there were classes for ridden heavies. Sadly there was only one entrant, but it was a start.

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As much as it is lovely to see a Clydie running in a straight line along the beach I think they have far greater attributes...if I wanted to partake in beach racing I'd rather take my Arab, she's be the dot in the distance of the Clydies.

For example this lovely horse..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_871FNPkCCU

As for the whole 'rescue' 'rehoming' nonsense, it's just the import of substandard meat horse that most definitely does threaten our native breeds, buy quality, buy British! For £3k you could pick up a lovely backed Clydie in Scotland, then take it to the Royal Highland and try not to fall off (it's a wild class to watch, especially when they gallop!)

I'm just putting these rescue retards on UI, can't be fussed reading their nonsense. I'm hoping they will crawl back to their forums of torture and leave us horse lovers to it.
 
Actually, OMG.
How pathetic. If you lot have a problem with foreign horses stop import all your German WB's and QH's. Cause guess what, about 95% of show jumpers in this country are foreign.

Comtois rule. They're my favourite breed and have been before the rescue sights started.

If they're so rare why aren't the British breeding more of them? Why are they breeding TB's going to slaughter daily and not Suffolk Punches or Shires?
Instead of trying to breed the next cow hocked, loony bin of a sport horse. Try breeding something useful.

I, on the other hand, will source my future Comtois from a recognized stud in France. Even though theres tons of success stories about them from the French sites, I know a farrier from France who knows a well known breeder who breeds for both conformation and performance.

French Horses vs. Pathetic non-Horse Lovers. I know who'd win.
 
prehaps they are breeding tb because that is where the money is if you get it right?

Its called the racing industry, and nothing to do with what is or isn't rare.

Not so pathetic is it!
 
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Actually, OMG.
How pathetic. If you lot have a problem with foreign horses stop import all your German WB's and QH's. Cause guess what, about 95% of show jumpers in this country are foreign.

Comtois rule. They're my favourite breed and have been before the rescue sights started.

If they're so rare why aren't the British breeding more of them? Why are they breeding TB's going to slaughter daily and not Suffolk Punches or Shires?
Instead of trying to breed the next cow hocked, loony bin of a sport horse. Try breeding something useful.

I, on the other hand, will source my future Comtois from a recognized stud in France. Even though theres tons of success stories about them from the French sites, I know a farrier from France who knows a well known breeder who breeds for both conformation and performance.

French Horses vs. Pathetic non-Horse Lovers. I know who'd win.

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Actually OMG! It is NOT the import of well bred horses, be they Comtois or Warmbloods, that people here have a problem with, you have completely missed the point.

Good for you for sourcing your comtois from a recognised breeder, bring in as many as you want to - not a problem. I presume yours will also have a comprehensive health check and will have correct passports.

HOWEVER, please don't buy them from a bottom end dealer or a meat man via an internet site dressing sales up as rescue. These horse DO pose a threat to the UK herd as very few of them seem to have the correct passports or health checks.

Your comment comparing TBs and Suffolk Punches shows how very little you actually know, I suspect you are fairly young and this would account for your lack of knowledge.

Calling horses owners who happen to disagree with you a 'pathetic bunch of non horse lovers' compounds my feeling that you are indeed very young.
 
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Actually, OMG.
How pathetic. If you lot have a problem with foreign horses stop import all your German WB's and QH's. Cause guess what, about 95% of show jumpers in this country are foreign.

Comtois rule. They're my favourite breed and have been before the rescue sights started.

If they're so rare why aren't the British breeding more of them? Why are they breeding TB's going to slaughter daily and not Suffolk Punches or Shires?
Instead of trying to breed the next cow hocked, loony bin of a sport horse. Try breeding something useful.

I, on the other hand, will source my future Comtois from a recognized stud in France. Even though theres tons of success stories about them from the French sites, I know a farrier from France who knows a well known breeder who breeds for both conformation and performance.

French Horses vs. Pathetic non-Horse Lovers. I know who'd win.

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If you read the post nobody has any issue with what you are doing or even Comtois as a breed - the problem is with the 'rescue' sites who buy them from low end dealers and small time farmers, call it rescue and then fob them off on people for a huge ' rehoming fee' complete with all their problems.
 
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Actually, OMG.
How pathetic...

...French Horses vs. Pathetic non-Horse Lovers. I know who'd win.

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Like OMG, wtf, are you serious, whatever girlfriend? That was the funniest post ever! Yeah, but, no, but, yeah, but, I didn't like that horse anyway!
 
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Actually, OMG.
How pathetic...

...French Horses vs. Pathetic non-Horse Lovers. I know who'd win.

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Like OMG, wtf, are you serious, whatever girlfriend? That was the funniest post ever! Yeah, but, no, but, yeah, but, I didn't like that horse anyway!

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Actually, OMG.
How pathetic...

...French Horses vs. Pathetic non-Horse Lovers. I know who'd win.

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Like OMG, wtf, are you serious, whatever girlfriend? That was the funniest post ever! Yeah, but, no, but, yeah, but, I didn't like that horse anyway!

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PMSL! I did think of Vicky when I read it!
 
I bought a comtois filly from a resue site, not just because she was going for meat but because I am constantly being asked for pretty heavyweight cobs around 15.0hh who have excellent temperments. Welsh Sec D are generally too fired up and the mountain and moorlands too small. Suffolk Punch. Shire and Clydesdale are too big. While I agree i would not like our large heavy horses die out it is unfair to disriminate comtois. After all most of our riding horses are now descended from Arabs, warmbloods etc all who came from abroad. Our comtois has the most wonderfull temperament as has all those who I have heard of. She is also exceptionally pretty. She was bought for a purpose and will fill it admirably which is what you should buy a horse for.
 
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