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I am after some advice as to what I should pay for a cob. He is approx. 14.2hh, 8 years old and has spent his life in a riding school. I have known him for just over a year now and loved him from the off. I have been loaning him but now the owner is looking to sell him.

I know he is a head shaker, does have a bit of a pollen allergy but a lot is behavioural I think.
He is head shy when it comes to putting his bridle on but allows certain people to do it, guessing this can be overcome with me.
He is a follower and I want to be able to hack out alone with him. He hacks out lovely with other horse be it in a group or with just one other.
He needs some schooling but that is no problem.
He does spook if other horses spook first and he is a little nervous when passing gates to fields. He can be quite nervous but if I remain confident and firm he is ok.
He is a great all rounder and has a lovely temperament.
As far as I am aware he has no showing history.
He pops a jump lovely
He will come with his tack which is in good condition.

I will want to see him load/unload as not seen that yet and I will insist on some work being done re putting his bridle on. He would remain at his current yard on working livery. I have 3 others on livery there as well.

I have been offered him for £4k and told she will not budge on that price. Do you think it is a fair price? It would be the most I have ever paid out. Never paid more than £1k but that has been for children's ponies.

Any advice appreciated thanks.
 
The Fuzzy Furry said:
He is most definitely not worth 4k if he cannot hack safely alone, is a headshaker and is headshy.

Walk away, you can find far better for less, honestly.
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He is a "project" not a £4k horse with too many negatives that lower his value if you have £4k to spend you will find something that will hack alone, does not headshake that is a proven allrounder not something that has issues, is certainly not a "great allrounder" and has no record.
 
Agree with the others, don't be drawn into 'I love him so I'll pay what their asking' because trust me when you have parted with your money and he won't hack out alone and the head shaking is a real issue not behavioural you won't love him so much!
 
Definitely not worth £4k in my opinion.

Big cons: head shaker, difficult to bridle, doesn't hack alone, spooky, needs schooling
Small pro: you like him, good temperment

Walk away from this sale.
 
Thank you all for the advice, I think in my heart I knew it was too much. I have messaged the seller and said I am happy to continue to loan him until he is sold.
 
Firstly what type of cob is he and what colour is he (this can affect the prices) When you say doesnt hack alone, what does he 'do' (stand still and doesnt move, buck, rear?) Is he show quality? What sort of jump sizes does he do with no problems? What sort of tack? (im guessing the owner will have added X an amount for this) Does he come with any other equipment (rugs, headcollar, boots etc etc)

4k does seem expensive, however the other pro's are that you know the horse, you'd loaned him, he's healthy and you know he'll do the job you want.

You might spend 2k on a different horse, 1k on tack/equiment and might not end-up with a horse you 'like'
 
Flyermc said:
Firstly what type of cob is he and what colour is he (this can affect the prices) When you say doesnt hack alone, what does he 'do' (stand still and doesnt move, buck, rear?) Is he show quality? What sort of jump sizes does he do with no problems? What sort of tack? (im guessing the owner will have added X an amount for this) Does he come with any other equipment (rugs, headcollar, boots etc etc)

4k does seem expensive, however the other pro's are that you know the horse, you'd loaned him, he's healthy and you know he'll do the job you want.

You might spend 2k on a different horse, 1k on tack/equiment and might not end-up with a horse you 'like'
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sorry he is not healthy, he is a head shaker and that can progress to be so bad that PTS is the kindest option....he doesnt hack alone as well so he is only worth about £1000 or at a push £1500
 
Thanks Flyermc, he would come with a bridle and saddle although I use my own saddle for him as it's a HM treeless and more comfortable. I brought his rugs so they are mine anyway.
He plants and bucks if he has to go up front. He is not show quality. As lovely as he is the last local show he was at he refused to do anything and planted with a much more experienced rider than me on his back! I think it would be a case of heart ruling head to part with 4k for him. In truth I think I know he is not worth that I just needed someone else to point it out I think! I have had a project pony, still got her, still a project despite a lot of hard work! that was my heart ruling my head! I am a bit of a sucker when it comes to horses but this is serious money so I need to wise up!
 
If he's on working livery i would assume he will have seen a vet regularly and be fit to work? i understand that some horses really struggle with headshaking, but the ones ive known have been fine with a nose net.

Also what has he previously done? is he a good hunting horse?

There are lots and lots of things that affect the value of a horse
 
Flyermc said:
Firstly what type of cob is he and what colour is he (this can affect the prices) When you say doesnt hack alone, what does he 'do' (stand still and doesnt move, buck, rear?) Is he show quality? What sort of jump sizes does he do with no problems? What sort of tack? (im guessing the owner will have added X an amount for this) Does he come with any other equipment (rugs, headcollar, boots etc etc)

4k does seem expensive, however the other pro's are that you know the horse, you'd loaned him, he's healthy and you know he'll do the job you want.

You might spend 2k on a different horse, 1k on tack/equiment and might not end-up with a horse you 'like'
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Type and colour will only have a bearing on the price if it is of show quality otherwise it is just another cob of unknown breeding with a known physical problem and several undesirable behaviour problems that reduce the value, that the OP knows the horse and it's issues show it to be worth less than if she did not know it, so far it does not do the job, hacking alone, and may never do it if it stays within a RS environment.
 
i disagree, if it happens to be a hairy coloured cob, fair enough, but peeps do seem to pay more for dun's, palomino's, chestnut with flexion tail etc etc. Cob really is wide term that can cover a number of builds, some more desirable than others.

not all owners a greedy, there must be a reason why this owner thinks her horse is worth 4k?
 
He sounds a lot like mine, who like you I fell in love with whilst having him on loan. I overpaid at £1750 for him and that's only because I think he's an adorable doofus. That asking price is taking the P and I would say you're relationship with the horse is being taken advantage for. Threaten to walk away and see what happens
 
So you get to pay £4k for him and they get to keep him anyway on working livery?! Sorry to say but they saw you coming! Something that doesn't hack, headshakes, can be nervous and green I'd not want to pay more than £500 for, maybe up to £1000 if really sweet lovely and based on making over the odds cause you know/like him. I like a good project but it's far harder to sort out someone's mess than to start from scratch and I fear if he's planting and napping he falls into the former not latter category.
 
He is a black cob of unknown breeding, looks like an irish cob to me. The head shaking happens when he goes into trot but not all of the time. Yesterday he was a nightmare for it but I still enjoyed the hack as the sun was out and I was hacking out with my son.
The owner denies there are any issues with him and does not acknowledge the headshaking and the hacking alone issue!! She said he does everything and has no known issues!
 
If the owner won't budge from £4k and you've got him on loan till he sells I think you have got him for life for free! Silly money - you can buy a project cob without health issues for 1/10 of that.
 
My similar cob was up for sale for £2.5k he hacks alone too. When I found a sarcoid I ended up buying him for £1. £4K is silly money and I'd guess for that price she isn't going to disclose his headshaking. I think she's trying it on because you are attached to him. I'd pay £1k max if I loved him to bits but only because he's good in a riding school.
 
Wow the owner is definitely trying their luck at that price! If I really, truly was head over heels about him I'd offer £1k but definitely no more and that would be after a thorough vetting to see if I could shed light on the cause of the headshaking.
 
tomspride said:
I agree with you, I wouldn't give more than £500
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At £500 you can afford to take a chance, but he sound like a potential money pit. For £4000 you could get a very nice cob or Highland pony, that will be nicely schooled, hack out and will not have health issues. If he was head shaking today, he will be worse when its really warm and the flies are out.
 
I wouldn't pay anything for a headshaker; allergy related ones usually deteriorate year on year, and neurological ones there is little/no treatment for and often it is a blessing from them to be pts.
 
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