Crate training

[Flowerofthefen]

Just had her visitors. Now they are gone I've popped her back in the crate, a minute of cry, now fast asleep!!

 

[Jenko109]

I crate next to my bed at bedtime. This way you can sooth puppy to sleep plus they can wake you for the toilet.

I keep this routine for about 2-3 weeks.

Then I move the crate to the other side of the bedroom, then to the landing with bedroom door open, then with bedroom door shut and so on and so on.

I have never left a puppy to cry it out in a crate and never would.

 

[Clodagh]

Make the crate as warm and comfortable and safe and perfect as possible. If you can have it in a room you are often in, ours is in the kitchen/dining area so when pup is in there I’m still in sight. You don’t want them connecting crate with isolation.
I have never had one get distressed, apart from a bit of whinging as they settle but I would try to avoid her getting her knickers in a twist. Could you do the old fashioned things like a ticking clock or talk radio on very low?
I’ve never had a pup in the bedroom but have always had other dogs in sight for them. Other dogs never very keen on that set up! ?.

 

[Moobli]

My pups always sleep in a soft crate or just a dog bed by the side of my bed. It helps to give them reassurance and I can hear if they get restless and need to go out during the night. As adults they choose where they want to sleep. It sounds like your pup is doing fabulously with crate training already.

 

[Flowerofthefen]

She has been great today. No accidents in the house. I'm setting up camp downstairs where her crate is. We have a very upright narrow staircase which isn't ideal for carrying a crate up and down nor a pup that needs the loo!! Thrilled to bits with how today has gone. Hopefully she will settle better tonight. Its so interesting to see everyone else's thoughts and experiences. Learn something new every day!

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Feed her in the crate, make a positive association. I agree with others and that you don't want to give her the run of the downstairs just yet. Maybe get a kong and let her work on it in the crate, then she should be sleepy and want to rest anyway. I usually liked one hour awake and two hours asleep when I had a puppy. Pick up water around 7-8 so more chance of empty bladder overnight.

If you do give her a kong witbutter pate or peanut butter in then be sure to subtract from her daily allowance. A fat puppy will be a fat adult.

Please do not withhold water, except for medical reasons. That is an animal welfare issue and a disgraceful way to house train a pup imho


Eta, I never allow dogs upstairs.

 

[Clodagh]

Please do not withhold water, except for medical reasons. That is an animal welfare issue and a disgraceful way to house train a pup.

Mine never have water overnight.

 

[Flowerofthefen]

No I would never withhold water.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Mine never have water overnight.

Why not?
Did they not have water available when they slept in the house?

 

[CorvusCorax]

Mine have water overnight but not a full bowl.

 

[Clodagh]

Why not?
Did they not have water available when they slept in the house?

They do sleep in the house? Well 4 of them. Yes they have a bowl. The kennelled ones have bowls too. Pups in cages do not have bowls, they have all survived.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

They do sleep in the house? Well 4 of them. Yes they have a bowl. The kennelled ones have bowls too. Pups in cages do not have bowls, they have all survived.

I thought you were saying that none of your dogs had water overnight. They may have survived but how comfortable were they?

 

[SAujla]

Please do not withhold water, except for medical reasons. That is an animal welfare issue and a disgraceful way to house train a pup imho


Eta, I never allow dogs upstairs.

Disgraceful? You are way over the top, as usual. Research it, it is fine to pick up a dogs water 2-3 hours before their bedtime as long as the dog is healthy. I do this with Clover and she is in great health, vets opinion not mine. I am not putting her welfare at risk.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

I have two (as always) so they encourage each other. The big dog, 12, just looks horrified. ?

The best way to encourage a pup to settle in their new home, is to have 2, ime!

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Disgraceful? You are way over the top, as usual. Research it, it is fine to pick up a dogs water 2-3 hours before their bedtime as long as the dog is healthy. I do this with Clover and she is in great health, vets opinion not mine. I am not putting her welfare at risk.

How bizarre, not to say rude, my vet says to take away water at 6.00 am before surgery scheduled for 9.00 am that day, so obviously fully expecting the dog to have access to water overnight.
There are still some vets who say that dogs should only be fed 6 days per week to.mimic life in the wild but I wouldn't use one of those vets. I wouldn't use your vet either.

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

The best way to encourage a pup to settle in their new home, is to have 2, ime!

You know I massively agree, zero separation anxiety etc, but they definitely encourage each other to be cheeky! Goose has become very independent and likes to disappear for several minutes in the woods-always comes back when called and has been known to lead Mitch astray! Mitch tends to stay on the path and take it easy, Goose thinks he’s the Flash.

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

No water overnight? I recall Parelli’s wife doing this to horses to make them more obedient, I think for extended periods, tho, not just overnight. I don’t understand the thinking behind withholding water overnight. Happy to be educated, but I know my lot were emptying their bowls overnight in summer. All the advice I’ve ever read says to have water available at all times. I have a water bottle overnight, I couldn’t do without it.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

You know I massively agree, zero separation anxiety etc, but they definitely encourage each other to be cheeky! Goose has become very independent and likes to disappear for several minutes in the woods-always comes back when called and has been known to lead Mitch astray! Mitch tends to stay on the path and take it easy, Goose thinks he’s the Flash.

We have occasionally had a single pup but we have always had an older dog to keep them company.
I remember after I had to have one pts aged 18 months, I got a pup and left her with the remaining older dog for company overnight. It was the older dog who whined all night!

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

Disgraceful? You are way over the top, as usual. Research it, it is fine to pick up a dogs water 2-3 hours before their bedtime as long as the dog is healthy. I do this with Clover and she is in great health, vets opinion not mine. I am not putting her welfare at risk.

Did your vet actually say to take water away 2-3 hours before bedtime? So no water for up to 8 hours or more? What is the purpose of this? If my vet told me this, I’d ignore that, even tho my lot have raw, some of which is very wet. Green tripe, euw!

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

We have occasionally had a single pup but we have always had an older dog to keep them company.
I remember after I had to have one pts aged 18 months, I got a pup and left her with the remaining older dog for company overnight. It was the older dog who whined all night!

Bear gets cross with Goose occasionally, but that’s cos Goose ADORES him and wants to be in his face sometimes (obviously not allowed to harass him)

 

[SAujla]

How bizarre, not to say rude, my vet says to take away water at 6.00 am before surgery scheduled for 9.00 am that day, so obviously fully expecting the dog to have access to water overnight.
There are still some vets who say that dogs should only be fed 6 days per week to.mimic life in the wild but I wouldn't use one of those vets. I wouldn't use your vet either.

But its not rude from you to suggest advice I gave in good faith was disgraceful? I don't care if you would use my vets or not, or if you are suggesting they are wrong to say Clover is in great health. I won't derail this thread any further, but I won't take any of your comments on board either.

She sleeps from 11pm until she is woken up at 7am, she's never thirsty in the morning

 

[FestiveG]

Disgraceful? You are way over the top, as usual. Research it, it is fine to pick up a dogs water 2-3 hours before their bedtime as long as the dog is healthy. I do this with Clover and she is in great health, vets opinion not mine. I am not putting her welfare at risk.

How very, very rude!

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

But its not rude from you to suggest advice I gave in good faith was disgraceful? I don't care if you would use my vets or not, or if you are suggesting they are wrong to say Clover is in great health. I won't derail this thread any further, but I won't take any of your comments on board either.

She sleeps from 11pm until she is woken up at 7am, she's never thirsty in the morning

Many people on this forum give incorrect advice in good faith. That doesn't mean that everyone should follow it whether it concerns dogs, horses or the law.

 

[Jenko109]

None of mine touch the water bowl overnight other than in those real hot days in summer.

I also dont leave water in the crate when raising a puppy (again unless it's a hot summer). I have an outside water bowl as well as an indoor one. When pups go out for the toilet in the middle of the night they would have access to water if they wanted a drink but they seldom do.

 

[Morwenna]

Mine is still crated overnight at 6 months old and has never had free access to water in her crate overnight. I got her in the summer when it was hot and kept a bowl of water by the back door and gave her the opportunity to have a drink whenever I took her out in the night but she never did. She still doesn’t.

 

[Flowerofthefen]

Night 2 of crate training!! Took her out to the toilet at 10.30pm. She whimpered, not full on cry like yesterday, for 5 mins or so, then slept through til 3am. She asked to go out so took her to toilet, pee and poo. Popped her back in crate, it took a little while to settle, minutes really but seems a lifetime! She then slept until my alarm at 5.30am. I hope in the next few weeks we will have cracked it!

 

[Clodagh]

Night 2 of crate training!! Took her out to the toilet at 10.30pm. She whimpered, not full on cry like yesterday, for 5 mins or so, then slept through til 3am. She asked to go out so took her to toilet, pee and poo. Popped her back in crate, it took a little while to settle, minutes really but seems a lifetime! She then slept until my alarm at 5.30am. I hope in the next few weeks we will have cracked it!

Great news.

 

[Clodagh]

As for water. None of mine drink any overnight, the not caged who have water. Pups are never thirsty when let out in the morning either. If a dog or pup couldn’t go 6 hours without a drink I’d worry about it. I grant I’ve never had a caged pup when it’s been hot.
With adults vet advice to me is no food after 9pm at night and no water after 7am for an operation. Vet has never advised either way for day to day living.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

As for water. None of mine drink any overnight, the not caged who have water. Pups are never thirsty when let out in the morning either. If a dog or pup couldn’t go 6 hours without a drink I’d worry about it. I grant I’ve never had a caged pup when it’s been hot.
With adults vet advice to me is no food after 9pm at night and no water after 7am for an operation. Vet has never advised either way for day to day living.

Interesting, my vet's advice is no food after midnight, very similar to the regime I had before surgery on my broken leg.

 

[DabDab]

? love raising a puppy threads, they are as controversial as discussions about raising babies.