crazy crazy driver!! What will the police do??

Tired, if you don't like liars, why do you find yourself defending a young man who has been convicted of a public order offence, despite his claims that he did nothing wrong? Or are you of the opinion that four witnesses conspired to pervert the course of justice?
 
Tired said:
I have absolutely no experience of hacking. I've never ridden a horse in my life.
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This is probably why you're getting such a strong response. Horse riders are constantly faced with drivers who show us no respect. We are courteous road users who only ask for people to slow slightly and pass widely around us so as to avoid an accident. Younger drivers in particular seem to think revving past us/beeping is a hilarious past time, trying to control 3/4 of a tonne of scared animal alongside a main road is enough to offset even the calmest of persons nerves. Speeds/times may have been exaggerated but that doesn't make them a lie, the car DID spin his wheels to cause distress and that's what he was convicted for. He was NOT convicted for speeding, so arguing about the OP and the figures contained within it is a moot point - he was not convicted on this basis. He was convicted for dishing out the abuse we as horse riders receive on a daily basis.
 
Tired said:
I'm 27. I have no kids (that i know of) and even if i did, they certainly wouldn't be old enough to drive.
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Riiiiiiiight, yet you know exactly what type of TVR it was :rolleyes: don't believe the type was mentioned in either thread (PH or HHO)
 
YorksG said:
Tired, if you don't like liars, why do you find yourself defending a young man who has been convicted of a public order offence, despite his claims that he did nothing wrong? Or are you of the opinion that four witnesses conspired to pervert the course of justice?
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I must say, i'm getting tired of repeating myself.

I am not defending anyone. I am not taking anyones side.

I am simply expressing my own opinion.
 
Amaranta said:
Riiiiiiiight, yet you know exactly what type of TVR it was :rolleyes: don't believe the type was mentioned in either thread (PH or HHO)
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It certainly was mentioned in the piston head thread.

If you have some proof that I am who you say I am, I'd like to hear it. Also, if there's some way i can show you that I'm not who you say I am, again, lets hear it.
 
sophiebailey said:
This is probably why you're getting such a strong response. Horse riders are constantly faced with drivers who show us no respect. We are courteous road users who only ask for people to slow slightly and pass widely around us so as to avoid an accident. Younger drivers in particular seem to think revving past us/beeping is a hilarious past time, trying to control 3/4 of a tonne of scared animal alongside a main road is enough to offset even the calmest of persons nerves. Speeds/times may have been exaggerated but that doesn't make them a lie, the car DID spin his wheels to cause distress and that's what he was convicted for. He was NOT convicted for speeding, so arguing about the OP and the figures contained within it is a moot point - he was not convicted on this basis. He was convicted for dishing out the abuse we as horse riders receive on a daily basis.
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Whilst i don't ride, I'm well aware of the dangers and other aspects you face on the roads, my partner, and all the other girls and boys on our yard all ride regularly, I've been known to tag along on my bike from time to time. I'm certainly not trying to belittle that in any way shape or form.

And i'm aware he was not convicted of speeding, although i don't feel it's as irrelevant as you do, for reasons I've already mentioned. We disagree on those points, we're not going to agree it appears, so we'll leave it there?
 
If you look carefully on google the guy convicted of this has a long history of violence. He assaulted one of the piston heads forum members and has previous for (criminal) driving offences and GBH.

All in all i hope this T*t is safely removed from the streets sooner rather than later, he sounds like a danger to not only horse riders but other road users and society as a whole :mad:
 
Tired said:
It certainly was mentioned in the piston head thread.

If you have some proof that I am who you say I am, I'd like to hear it. Also, if there's some way i can show you that I'm not who you say I am, again, lets hear it.
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No proof, just your initial post was almost word for word the post of the 'outraged daddy' of the said spoilt little oik who thinks he owns the road :rolleyes: the tone was alarmingly similar too:rolleyes: as was your failure to recognise the crime your son committed.

Now show me some proof that the OP was lying, bear in mind that a court of law decided she was not.
 
In tired's defence, I did read the OP's thread as being very hyperbolic and unlikely to be entirely factually accurate. I also know that a lot of riders are very precious when hacking, particularly on the roads, and they do have a tendancy to exaggerate and over-react to other road users.

In this case, regardless of the OP's statements on here, the driver was found guilty so presumably did react in an offensive and unnecessary manner so it would appear that justice has been served.

btw - Amaranta, since the driver was convicted of a public order offence, not a driving offence, the conviction does not imply that the court found the OP was telling the truth with regard to their claims regarding his driving conduct and that is what tired is trying to dispute.
 
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marydoll said:
What are your facts ?
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The car could not have sat on the spot spinning it's wheels for a minute. That's just not possible on a standard version of the car in question, and unless it was specifically set up for stunt driving, it's not going to have the relevant modification required. Nor was the stretch or road leading up to the incident long enough for the car in question to reach the speeds quoted. Just not possible.

You must understand, i'm not saying the driver didn't deserve to be found guilty, I've never said that, and I'm not now. As much as you seem to think I am, or want that to be the case, so you can argue with me, it's not.
 
Amaranta said:
No proof, just your initial post was almost word for word the post of the 'outraged daddy' of the said spoilt little oik who thinks he owns the road :rolleyes: the tone was alarmingly similar too:rolleyes: as was your failure to recognise the crime your son committed.

Now show me some proof that the OP was lying, bear in mind that a court of law decided she was not.
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You really do have me mistaken for someone else altogether.

Although, if you read my previous post, you'll find the answer to your question.
 
Tired said:
The car could not have sat on the spot spinning it's wheels for a minute. That's just not possible on a standard version of the car in question, and unless it was specifically set up for stunt driving, it's not going to have the relevant modification required. Nor was the stretch or road leading up to the incident long enough for the car in question to reach the speeds quoted. Just not possible.

You must understand, i'm not saying the driver didn't deserve to be found guilty, I've never said that, and I'm not now. As much as you seem to think I am, or want that to be the case, so you can argue with me, it's not.
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Now then, that is not proof of lying, over exageration yes, lying no. The OP was probably in an adrenalin fuelled state and it probably seemed at the time that it went on for a minute, the fact remained that the driver DID wheel spin and DID set off at speed, fully intending to further scare the horses AND the riders. This is where the crime happened.

You know the stretch of road do you?

You state you don't ride but the 'boys and girls' from your yard do? Really?

I thought you hated liers?
 
Tired said:
The car could not have sat on the spot spinning it's wheels for a minute. That's just not possible on a standard version of the car in question, and unless it was specifically set up for stunt driving, it's not going to have the relevant modification required. Nor was the stretch or road leading up to the incident long enough for the car in question to reach the speeds quoted. Just not possible.

You must understand, i'm not saying the driver didn't deserve to be found guilty, I've never said that, and I'm not now. As much as you seem to think I am, or want that to be the case, so you can argue with me, it's not.
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The op didnt state a speed, she guessed an approx speed.:confused:
The amount of time the wheels were spun is immaterial, as was agreed by the court, it was the intent that was the issue.
I have never accused you of " backing the driver " but i do think youre failing to see the bigger picture , the op, another 2 riders and an independant witness werent all wrong, i am glad you see it as reasonable he was found guilty, i think you need to put youself in the op's position to try to see how frightening this incident has been.
 
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Now then, that is not proof of lying, over exageration yes, lying no. The OP was probably in an adrenalin fuelled state and it probably seemed at the time that it went on for a minute, the fact remained that the driver DID wheel spin and DID set off at speed, fully intending to further scare the horses AND the riders. This is where the crime happened.

You know the stretch of road do you?

You state you don't ride but the 'boys and girls' from your yard do? Really?

I thought you hated liers?
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Saying one thing, when the truth is something different, is not exaggerating in my book.

No, i don't know that stretch of road. Like i said, i'm basing my posts on informations from both forums.

And yes, really, i don't ride.

And yes, i hate liars.

Do you have a point to make? If you have something to say, lets hear it.
 
lucky-lady said:
If you look carefully on google the guy convicted of this has a long history of violence. He assaulted one of the piston heads forum members and has previous for (criminal) driving offences and GBH.
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Plus the self confessed anger management issues; funny his daddy wouldn't allow him to sign up to martial arts classes as he was worried about his darling son using what he had learned against others, yet was happy to buy him an expensive potentially lethal weapon in the form of a TVR. He had already proved to be an object of derision due to his lack of awareness and control of his Punto on previous threads.

Being banned from a number of forums due to offensive behaviour.

The accusations of assault, under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

The attitude to animals - confessing teaching his parrot 'a lesson' by hoovering him up :rolleyes: The photoshopped pictures on his facebook of a man having sexual intercourse with a horse :rolleyes: along with multiple videos uploaded purely to demonstrate just how noisy his precious car is...

Just delightful.
 
Tired said:
Saying one thing, when the truth is something different, is not exaggerating in my book.

No, i don't know that stretch of road. Like i said, i'm basing my posts on informations from both forums.

And yes, really, i don't ride.

And yes, i hate liars.

Do you have a point to make? If you have something to say, lets hear it.
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I have already said my piece, I believe you are the convicted's father, everything you type on here confirms my view, from your failure to grasp the nature of the crime committed to your absolute conviction that the OP is lying. I do not believe for one minute that you are a yard owner, nor do I believe you are a 27 year old female.

Busted :cool:
 
rhino said:
Plus the self confessed anger management issues; funny his daddy wouldn't allow him to sign up to martial arts classes as he was worried about his darling son using what he had learned against others, yet was happy to buy him an expensive potentially lethal weapon in the form of a TVR. He had already proved to be an object of derision due to his lack of awareness and control of his Punto on previous threads.

Being banned from a number of forums due to offensive behaviour.

The accusations of assault, under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

The attitude to animals - confessing teaching his parrot 'a lesson' by hoovering him up :rolleyes: The photoshopped pictures on his facebook of a man having sexual intercourse with a horse :rolleyes: along with multiple videos uploaded purely to demonstrate just how noisy his precious car is...

Just delightful.
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:eek::eek::eek::eek: That is some CV!

I blame the parents :D
 
Amaranta said:
I have already said my piece, I believe you are the convicted's father, everything you type on here confirms my view, from your failure to grasp the nature of the crime committed to your absolute conviction that the OP is lying. I do not believe for one minute that you are a yard owner, nor do I believe you are a 27 year old female.

Busted :cool:
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Where did i say i was a 27 year old female?

Given how sharp you think your detective skills are, you seem to struggle with basic comprehension.

I have no kids, I am not the person you say I am, i most certainly do own a yard, i'm looking out my window at it just now, and if you have some evidence to the contrary, other than your misguided opinion, I'd love to hear it.
 
Tired said:
Where did i say i was a 27 year old female?

Given how sharp you think your detective skills are, you seem to struggle with basic comprehension.

I have no kids, I am not the person you say I am, i most certainly do own a yard, i'm looking out my window at it just now, and if you have some evidence to the contrary, other than your misguided opinion, I'd love to hear it.
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Livery yard?
Scrap yard?
Back yard?
 
Tired said:
Where did i say i was a 27 year old female?

Given how sharp you think your detective skills are, you seem to struggle with basic comprehension.

I have no kids, I am not the person you say I am, i most certainly do own a yard, i'm looking out my window at it just now, and if you have some evidence to the contrary, other than your misguided opinion, I'd love to hear it.
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Fair play, have re read your post - you did not say you were female, but you certainly are not 27 and looking at your own back yard does not count as a yard. Your phraseology gives you away I'm afraid.

You say you have browsed this forum for advice and knowledge for a while? What have you learned then? Go on humour me :)
 
My phraseology?

I'm reasonably sure I'm 27, not the sort of thing you forget, and i'm looking out my living room window at a stable building and our outdoor 60x20 floodlit arena.

We're kinda getting away from the actual point of the thread now, which is not my yard, my age, or whatever other personal details you've decided are false.
 
A question for Tired.....
How are you so sure the OP is lying and the silly little boy not?
Couldn't sleep last night so read the PH thread, how very enlightening it was! The dad admitted his son had been accelerating hard - his words not mine - so TBH when he spotted the horses he would have had to brake hard, scaring both the riders and horses by the sound of it. Then to have the audacity to hurl abuse at the riders who quite rightly pointed out the error of his ways. To top it all off he roars off when one of the horses is spooking and heads towards his car :rolleyes: heaven forbid he should get a scratch on his beloved TVR.
What he has failed to realise along with his oh so charming father is that horses and riders are a tad more fragile than someone sat secure in a car with a seatbelt and I'm sure he wouldn't want it on his conscience, if he has one of course :p, if either horse or rider was hurt perhaps even seriously.
I do a lot of hacking on the roads and have to say the majority of drivers are considerate unfortunately the minority spoil it for the rest, and the same goes for horse riders too as not all are considerate to drivers IME.
At the end of the day Tired whoever you may be ;) it really doesn't matter what you think the courts have made their decision and I'm sure would be interested if it went to appeal of the content of the threads the charming father has commented upon!
 
New member, no introduction , 32 posts ALL on this thread :rolleyes:
Posting in DEFENCE of the driver, and appears to know all of the details of the case, AND the layout of that particular stretch of road.
I'd say, someone thinks WE are all buttoned up the back of our heads :rolleyes:.
It's either King Fisher, or his son :p
NO equestrian yard owner would defend anyone, who in a powerful sports car has put the lives of 3 riders at serious risk by his actions.:rolleyes:
I spent quite some time reading through topics on piston heads last night.
This member, Tired, posts in a VERY, VERY similar style to King Fisher on piston heads. :p
(Tired, you tripped yourself up in your first post ;) :rolleyes:)
 
Tired said:
My phraseology?

I'm reasonably sure I'm 27, not the sort of thing you forget, and i'm looking out my living room window at a stable building and our outdoor 60x20 floodlit arena.

We're kinda getting away from the actual point of the thread now, which is not my yard, my age, or whatever other personal details you've decided are false.
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60x20 floodlit arena - and you don't even ride?
Lucky lucky boys and girls, I do hope they use that arena and don't go out on the roads - if they do I do hope they don't bump into the moron whose actions are at the root of this thread.

Still have not told me what you have learned from this forum btw :cool:

Just seems a little strange that you lurk for 'some months' and then suddenly join today, your only posts being on the subject of this incident ;)
 
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