Cross breeds

Clodagh said:
Every cockerpoo bar one I have met has looked like this...
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Any variations have only been as much as you see in any breed.
The bar one still looked more like a CP than the two images you put up, Lev, so I think you are propaganderising the debate!
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That's it. Smashing little dog :)
 
My sister in law has just bought a Cockerpoo from Preloved for £850, runt of the litter, no papers , no idea of the health of either parents or how many litters the bitch has had and this was from somebody who apparently 'rescues' them. I just don't understand where it's all going nowadays,.I'm not opposed to crossbreeding but some of the mixes are just WRONG
I saw an advert for Huskavana's , a mix of Weimaraner and Husky for £1000, i couldn't believe anybody would think this is a good mix and another for Weimardoodle's, a mix of Weim and Pooodle. Mother of god they looked diseased, really horrible with none of the grace of either breed . As a Weim owner i don't think they should be crossed with anything, there are traits in the breed that are unique to them and make them what they are . Mixing anything just lessons them in my eyes as i'm sure it does in other breeds too
 
ester said:
So what types are they breeding round your way, originating breeds and coat?
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Why do you even expect me to know the answer to that question Ester? I'm not in the market for a dog, their parentage doesn't concern me at present. Why do you want to know the answer to that question? It reads like a challenge, but that isn't really like you and I think maybe I misreading your tone? Whatever, I can't tell you.
 
Clodagh said:
Every cockerpoo bar one I have met has looked like this...
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Any variations have only been as much as you see in any breed.
The bar one still looked more like a CP than the two images you put up, Lev, so I think you are propaganderising the debate!
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I simply googled cockerpoo and put up two of the images that came up - I think they are horrid little dogs personally now I've seen some pics
 
Where I rode as a child, the riding school owner had the most lovely short haired black and tan mongrels. They were such super dogs, medium sized with fantastic temperaments. I used to see lots of black and tan mongrels back then and they really aren't as common now, which is a shame.
 
ycbm said:
Why do you even expect me to know the answer to that question Ester? I'm not in the market for a dog, their parentage doesn't concern me at present. Why do you want to know the answer to that question? It reads like a challenge, but that isn't really like you and I think maybe I misreading your tone? Whatever, I can't tell you.
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Of course it isn't a challenge, I asked previously what for you is the perfect 50:50 but you didn't answer that (and I assume you consider the ones you have spotted to be so) because if we don't know that how can people suggest alternatives and the same goes for the parentage. You are going to get a very different energy dog if you are using a working or a show or american cocker, and a different size dog if you are using a toy or a mini poodle. I am only trying to ascertain more what you would want out of this theoretical dog to see if a suitable pedigree alternative existed.
 
To be honest, if someone is going to pay a lot of money for a pup I would rather they spent it on a labradoodle or a cockapoo than on one of the brachycephalic breeds that can't breathe properly. Although it would be far more sensible, and cheaper, to buy a whippet ;)

I must say the only adult cockapoo that I know looks like the picture posted by Clodagh and the owner absolutely adores it and has found him easier than the pure golden retrievers they had previously.
 
ester said:
Of course it isn't a challenge, I asked previously what for you is the perfect 50:50 but you didn't answer that (and I assume you consider the ones you have spotted to be so) because if we don't know that how can people suggest alternatives and the same goes for the parentage. You are going to get a very different energy dog if you are using a working or a show or american cocker, and a different size dog if you are using a toy or a mini poodle. I am only trying to ascertain more what you would want out of this theoretical dog to see if a suitable pedigree alternative existed.
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I get you, your analytical mind of course :)


Like Clodagh's picture but adult of course, size of a smallish cocker, you can easily carry it in two arms.
 
Lévrier;13743477 said:
I simply googled cockerpoo and put up two of the images that came up - I think they are horrid little dogs personally now I've seen some pics
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No such thing as a horrid little dog, that is a bit sweeping! I know you get individuals of breeds (or mutts) that are horrid but I wouldn't ever say all (whatevers) are horrid.
 
cockerpoos can be pretty cute although personally, if I were signing myself up for that sort of grooming commitment I'd always go for a poodle-they are fab dogs. cockerpoos don't seem to be easy dogs in the puppy stages-trainer says they are currently her bread and butter. many people go for energy levels in a breed that they can't cope with in the long run and most new dog owners don't realise that they are pretty much taking on a toddler for the next 10 years or so.

Of the couple I know, both were bought from (different) breeders that could no longer get registered litters from the dams, both came with multiple bacterial infections that cost a packet and took a fair amount of time to get sorted out, both suffer from SA, both were hard to house train, both were on special diets from about 8 months old, both have skin allergies and both need professional grooming every 6 weeks or so.

my two dogs are the same age, have had some anal gland issues in one and the other (who is as about as highly bred a show dog as they come) has had no issues and is of a very healthy breed. both came from health tested parents, both sets of parents had proven working track record/trainability/success and longterm soundness, I met both sets of parents and both cost less than the cockerpoos that I know.

of the other dogs at work about the same age, the labrador is fine, the Lapphund is fine, the Dachs is fine and the Vizla is fine physically but has been a nightmare behaviourally but I have thoughts on that one :p (see energy levels plus 3 young boys on the house).

I like a good mutt, they are just hard to find these days and these crosses dont fit the bill for me as nothing about them seems worth it wrt to trainability, good health or temperament. A lot of them make cute puppies but can look fairly hideous when they grow up (Puggles, Jugs etc).
 
Clodagh said:
No such thing as a horrid little dog, that is a bit sweeping! I know you get individuals of breeds (or mutts) that are horrid but I wouldn't ever say all (whatevers) are horrid.
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In that case we shall differ on that one :) I have never met a Yorkshire Terrier or a Chihuahua that I liked, so they come into that category for me as well - I am sure their owners love them, and I am sure there are people who look at greyhounds and think they are skinny weird things :D , but some breeds (or crosses) simply dont do it for me and this cross-breed is one of them
 
i have no problem with crossbreeds, i have a collie cross and a terrier cross myself.....we have quite a few cockerpoos and labradoodles in our area and the ones that are exercised properly( ie long walks, plenty of off,lead galloping about and socialising) are mostly fine, but there are quite a few that are walked for half an hour on the lead, are reactive to other dogs and are a handful to their obviously novice owners. i think the problem is more with the owner than the dog as these crosses have been widely marketed as family dogs and people are not giving them enough exercise or training..it really is a shame that people dont have to take a dog handling test before being allowed to buy any puppy....
 
oldie48 said:
I've met some lovely cockerpoos, labradoodles, maltipoos etc I honestly can't see a problem in breeding from good bitches and dogs, provided that are both health tested and have good temperaments. If people are happy to pay lots of money for them and make sensible checks on who they buy from, surely that's fine? I predict that some of these cross breeds will be recognised as breeds in their own right in the future.
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It’s happening, for sure. Check out the Eurasier on Crufts. I think it’s better looking with superior conformation to the chow. It’s like a ginger larger Keeshond, gorgeous! There was another breed ‘in developement’ on Crufts, something curly, grey, foreign, terrier like. Can’t remember.

Clodagh said:
I agree with tihs. BUT I am yet to see any health tested cross breeds? They may be out there.
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For sure. On petforums, there’s a poster who’s crazy keen breeding fully health tested cockapoos. There’s a U.K cockapoo society and you have to health test to be part of it. The whole crossing for the sake of it is just annoying, tho. If you want a teddy bear dog, there are definitely options. Health testing is key, IMO, and not believing the hype that ALL cockapoos have nice temperaments and don’t shed. It’s just untrue.

TGM said:
To be honest, if someone is going to pay a lot of money for a pup I would rather they spent it on a labradoodle or a cockapoo than on one of the brachycephalic breeds that can't breathe properly.
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I have to agree and would go so far as to say that out crossing should be done for all brachycephalic breeds. I was so sad to be handed a 15 week old English bulldog puppy for cuddles this week. It was, of course, adorable, but was already snuffling and not breathing normally. It’s just heart breaking.

Re those saying cockers are too crazy, I have yet to meet a nutty one. A friend has 2 springers, 2 cockers, none of whom are remotely crazy. They are properly exercised and stimulated, the owner is a gun dog trainer. Same as people gasping when I tell them I have 3 springers. The three are currently snoring having been out for a short walk today. They’re no bother at home bar Zak nicking the odd shoe and wanting to play tug some evenings.
 
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ester said:
It is so incredibly rare to see pups from health tested parents though :(.
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I don't know what evidence you have for saying this but wouldn't it be true of most cross breeds? Cockerpoos have been bred since the 50's so they are nothing new and having had a quick look at a few ads, I think many of them are responsibly bred, hence the price. Buyer beware woud be my advice, just the same as when you buy any dog.
 
Mostly asking people, perhaps it depends on area. I get quite excited when I see an ad with health tested parents but the price doesn't seem to drop for those that aren't.

I'm aware cockapoos have been around for quite a while, which is why I find it odd that people say they will become a registered breed when most of them are still F1 crosses.
 
splashgirl45 said:
i have no problem with crossbreeds, i have a collie cross and a terrier cross myself.....we have quite a few cockerpoos and labradoodles in our area and the ones that are exercised properly( ie long walks, plenty of off,lead galloping about and socialising) are mostly fine, but there are quite a few that are walked for half an hour on the lead, are reactive to other dogs and are a handful to their obviously novice owners. i think the problem is more with the owner than the dog as these crosses have been widely marketed as family dogs and people are not giving them enough exercise or training..it really is a shame that people dont have to take a dog handling test before being allowed to buy any puppy....
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Wish there was a "like" button!
 
In my area cockapoos come in a wild variety of forms, to the point I wouldn’t recognise one if it came and bit me in the face - which according to my dog groomer daughter - is a distinct possibility ;)
 
ycbm said:
I'm still genuinely interested if anyone can name a pedigree breed that has all the characteristics, physical and behavioural, of a dog which is clearly a cocker poo. Because at the moment it's my belief that these dogs have been developed because the breed either doesn't exist or is difficult to source.
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Spanish Water Dog
Two litters currently on Champdogs and one on Pets4Homes
Energetic gundog.

Also, possibly the Barbet or Portugese Water dog.
 
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Something I never thought off before with these crosses but what happens when people start breeding from them. I assumed that they were 50/50 crosses but it appears breeders are also breeding form the cross breeds. Do they put a cockerpoo to a poodle or cocker spaniel or to another cockerpoo. As I said no problem with crossbreeding but all the ones I see for sale are being bred by people who happen to have a nice dog who know another person with a nice dog so breed from them. Not sure there is much thought being put into health checks.
 
druid said:
Lagotto Romagnolo - Italian "spaniel" which look identical to many of the Lab x Poodle types
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At £1600 average for a KC reg pup, they are not cheap and currently none for sale in this country that I can see. I think they are at least as high energy as a cockerpoo, if not more and certainly not a first time owners dog. I can see the appeal though.
 
CC it depends, F1 is cocker x poodle,
F1b is and F1 bred back to one of the parent breeds (I think the breed back to a poodle is more frequent that to the spaniel in trying to get a non-shedding coat).
F2 is two F1s bred together, etc.
 
oldie48 said:
At £1600 average for a KC reg pup, they are not cheap and currently none for sale in this country that I can see. I think they are at least as high energy as a cockerpoo, if not more and certainly not a first time owners dog. I can see the appeal though.
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I've trained two, much better off switch than a Cockerwotsit and both cost less than half what you suggest, Cocker x and Poodle x breeds were rare here in their early days. The popularity of breeds and their availability is all dictated by fashion
 
Or a Curly Coat Retriever or an Irish Water Spaniel or a Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier, all native breeds to these islands which aren't trendy.

Small teddy bear types could include Havanese, Maltese, Bichon Frise, Pomeranian, Papillon/Phalene, Chinese Crested Powder Puff, Coton de Tulear, Pembroke Corgi etc etc etc.
 
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