Crufts 2016

Lakota_Lizzie said:
We are eligible to show in both breed classes and BASC/keeper classes. …….. . Sadly one of our dogs is docked so he cannot come along which is a real pitty.
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And therein lays the lunacy that a dog which has been docked, within the legal requirements, cannot be shown at a venue where the public pay to enter, which would have us consider that if entrance to a show was free of charge, then the dog could be entered and shown. Is there anyone on here who has a sufficient level of understanding of the KC, or has had previous input, who can explain what would appear to be a level of reasoning which few manage to understand?

Alec.
 
It's nothing to do with the KC, they oppose the showing ban. The decision was Defra's, with the intention that it would reduce the numbers of non-working dogs being docked.
 
Going but just mainly to shop and spoil my little spaniel. Want to watch lots of agility too as we're taking it up in a few weeks.

Really looking forward to it went for the first time last year and thought it was a much better value day out than HOYS
 
Feathered said:
Going but just mainly to shop and spoil my little spaniel. Want to watch lots of agility too as we're taking it up in a few weeks.

Really looking forward to it went for the first time last year and thought it was a much better value day out than HOYS
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Interesting. I've never been to HOYS and always felt I was missing out. Now that I'm horseless I kind of wouldn't be bothered - not that I wouldn't enjoy watching the classes and what not, but the shopping would be a bit lost on me now LOL

However, I do plan to do some shopping this year. Last year because of the scare with the poisoning (I'd heard about it early in the morning) was terrified to leave my girl on the bench without someone right there, even if there were people I knew nearby. We've got a dog sitter for while we do our shopping this year ;)
 
Lakota_Lizzie said:
We are eligible to show in both breed classes and BASC/keeper classes. My bitch qualified for her breed class and as she is Gamekeeper owned and regularly worked she can compete in the other classes too. To enter these classes you do not have to have qualified for your breed class. Its all in the schedule, and fr our breed we are not the only ones doing both breed and working classes. Sadly one of our dogs is docked so he cannot come along which is a real pitty.
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"A dog may be entered in the Gamekeepers' Classes if it has not won a qualifying prize in a breed class at a Championship Show
the previous year, or is not otherwise qualified, that is, if it is not eligible for entry in breed classes."

I misread this bit of the entry forms and assumed it meant dogs showing in breed classes were not eligible...I assume it actually means that dogs don't have to qualify as for the breed rings?
 
Just been watching day 1 coverage on the telly. Was it the camera angle or did the toy group judge put her face right into the dogs faces? A few of the dogs did back off her, especially the Chinese crested.
 
Haven't seen today. Will watch at weekend. My boys have same father Broomsward Hugo Boss by Gemswin and I know he's leaving in the morning along with his friends and Gemma.

Good luck Satinbaze!
 
satinbaze said:
Just been watching day 1 coverage on the telly. Was it the camera angle or did the toy group judge put her face right into the dogs faces? A few of the dogs did back off her, especially the Chinese crested.
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Yes there have been quite a few comments on exhibitor pages about the toy judge. She did seem to be very in their face, not necessary in my view.
 
MurphysMinder said:
Yes there have been quite a few comments on exhibitor pages about the toy judge. She did seem to be very in their face, not necessary in my view.
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Perhaps she was testing for 'temperament'! :) Most would say that she was asking for trouble. We currently have 4 dogs, and I wouldn't do that to any of them, I certainly wouldn't permit a stranger to do so!

Alec.
 
Does anyone else think the smooth chihuhua was lame? His front end looked awful.

I think the Toy judge was good, In my opinion it seemed she was trying to engage with the dog before touching them. She seemed alot friendly. The Utility judge was completely unapproachable and seemed uninterested.

I would love to go just to see the dogs, but I don't want to fund an organisation like the KC (although I suppose watching on TV is not much better!)
 
Crackedhalo said:
Does anyone else think the smooth chihuhua was lame? His front end looked awful.

I think the Toy judge was good, In my opinion it seemed she was trying to engage with the dog before touching them. She seemed alot friendly. The Utility judge was completely unapproachable and seemed uninterested.

I would love to go just to see the dogs, but I don't want to fund an organisation like the KC (although I suppose watching on TV is not much better!)
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Also liked the toy judge, perhaps too much in the dogs' faces and a bit risky to herself, but maybe a technique to see how well-socialised with people the dog is?

I thought movement in general was disappointing with many of the dogs, if they represent 'best of breed' it's very disappointing. Lost count of the pairs of limbs either too wide apart or too close together.

For me the Japanese chin looked distinctly lame and one or two others bordering on it.

Just my opinion!
 
I was there today showing my Large Munsterlander bitch Keiko. We were shortlisted in a big post graduate class but sadly didnt get placed, however I couldnt fault Keiko in the ring I was so proud of her. Our breed started judging at about 1:30pm but didnt finish judging until 6:20pm, it went on for ages, all the dogs looked thoroughly bored and the humans didnt look much better either, lol.

Going back again on Sunday to take Keiko and my older dog Loki to man the Discover Dogs stand, love that more than the showing :D

Here is my lovely girl waiting (and waiting, and waiting) for her class.
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I had a lovely day with the cocker, he was shortlisted in a class of 18 but let himself down a bit by squeaking and fidgeting in the line-up. We are all completely exhausted!
 
Well done everyone who went, what an achievement to be there, placed or no.
Can anyone tell me how come the Brittany was docked?
 
Clodagh said:
Well done everyone who went, what an achievement to be there, placed or no.
Can anyone tell me how come the Brittany was docked?
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It must have been docked before 2007 I presume.

ETS. Just looked and she was born in 2010 so not sure, was she definitely docked ? Possibly born with a naturally bobbed tail
 
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twiggy2 said:
sometimes they are born without tails
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Would that be without a tail as in bob-tailed, or abnormally short tails which which 'appear' to be docked? I'm not doubting, I'm interested! Presumably if the dog was imported from a country where docking was still legal, that wouldn't make any difference in that there's a blanket ban on all docked dogs, regardless of their country of origin. Would I be right?

MM, would it be unusual for a dog of 9 years (or thereabouts), to be shown at Crufts? I'd have imagined that for showing, the point for most breeds when the dog was considered to be perhaps a bit long in the tooth, would be reached by the age of 5 years, something like that. Showing really isn't my thing, so again, I'm asking out of interest! Perhaps I'm looking at my own work dogs, all of which by the age of 9 years are showing their age having had a rather hard life. Dunno! :)

Alec.
 
Last year's sibe BOB was 10 (almost 11) and still working at that point, she's back again today too. The cocker veteran classes were well supported this year, some docked tails among them.
 
I was so so thrilled to see a Gordon Setter win the Gundog group. They are my favourite breed and never seem to do that well at Crufts.
He also won the vulnerable breed class. Its so sad that they are a declining breed. I have had four over the past 30 years, three of which came through the rescue, and one I managed to buy as a puppy. There never seems to be any puppies for sale when I look and not seen any advertised in the rescue. They are so beautiful and the ones I had had the loveliest temperament. Im keeping fingers crossed Lourdace Fulcrum (James) will win !!
 
He is gorgeous and his owner was so delighted in his interview with Clare Balding - yep now the flatties are out of the running hope he gets BIS!
 
See my aunt and uncle have had 3, they've all been awful! All had kidney/liver issues and the bitch was apparently scared of the dark and wouldn't jump a stile on a walk and one of the dogs was dog aggressive, so I couldn't see them being great gundogs. Lol
 
Alec, as has already been said lots of show dogs go on until 9 years and older. My young bitch's sire won his class today at nearly 8 years, and many moons ago my mum had a champion GSD who was still winning CCs at 9 years and beyond.
 
Our lovely Morgan (shown by a friend, as my parents are in Australia at the moment) had a great time, made lots of new friends, and behaved beautifully. He was 7th in his class, which my dad is perfectly happy with. He was never meant to be a show dog!
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My English Springer Spaniel Bitch came third in the BASC Best ESS Bitch class, she's eleven years young and is docked....she fits into the legislation regarding docking of dogs and showi g them in a place where public pay to see them.
 
Penny Less said:
I was so so thrilled to see a Gordon Setter win the Gundog group. They are my favourite breed and never seem to do that well at Crufts.
He also won the vulnerable breed class. Its so sad that they are a declining breed. I have had four over the past 30 years, three of which came through the rescue, and one I managed to buy as a puppy. There never seems to be any puppies for sale when I look and not seen any advertised in the rescue. They are so beautiful and the ones I had had the loveliest temperament. Im keeping fingers crossed Lourdace Fulcrum (James) will win !!
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I'm absolutely over the moon for David, Fiona, Jose et al and James. What a wonderful achievement they have had the other day. Fingers crossed for them for BIS today.
 
I went yesterday. I had a great day cuddling all the dogs. I was almost crying with happiness. Loved the discover dogs section and loved being able to walk around and say hello to all the dogs. 99.99% of the owners/handlers looked like they adored their dogs and were showering them with fuss and attention.

I'm very much a gundog person but going on the pastoral/working dog day was great to see so many other breeds that I wouldn't normally get to see.
 
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