Crufts 2016

abb123 said:
I went yesterday. I had a great day cuddling all the dogs. I was almost crying with happiness. Loved the discover dogs section and loved being able to walk around and say hello to all the dogs. 99.99% of the owners/handlers looked like they adored their dogs and were showering them with fuss and attention.

I'm very much a gundog person but going on the pastoral/working dog day was great to see so many other breeds that I wouldn't normally get to see.
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Did you cuddle the flatties? All related to my two :-) They each had a teddy bear in their mouths.
 
it was the first time I had seen the gsd in question and I was shocked that the judge should have this as a winner. she looked crippled to me and I feel very sad that such a lovely breed is being bred to have such exaggerated sloping back...in the old days when we called them alsations they didn't have such sloping backs. wonder what will be said to the judge after the things the panel said..
 
PucciNPoni said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnE8EkevHnc&app=desktop

the missing footage, no wonder they took it out!!!
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I just see a dog that is nervy, distressed and clearly not showing itself off in any way - which would be explained by the fact she is in season apart from anything else - she didn't move properly because of that, not because she is structurally unsound!

Having said that, I could not live with a topline like that.....
 
that dogs in full on flight mode, she does not want to be there.

HOW is that dog picked as best?! If that was a horse, they would be asked to leave the ring.
 
equi said:
that dogs in full on flight mode, she does not want to be there.

HOW is that dog picked as best?! If that was a horse, they would be asked to leave the ring.
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My thoughts exactly. Poor dog, whichever way you view her conformation (which to my mind is heartbreakingly appalling).
 
equi said:
that dogs in full on flight mode, she does not want to be there.

HOW is that dog picked as best?! If that was a horse, they would be asked to leave the ring.
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Well she was picked as the best in a much much smaller ring, not in the main arena under lights....
 
I must say I nearly fell off my seat after watching the GSD. I am so appalled that a judge had not disqualified that dog. Apart from its temperament being unsound, it's hips and croup were shocking, I was waiting for it to fall apart like lego!
I have a working GSD, they could be two different breeds they are that far apart. My bitch is sound in temperament & body, straight backed, solid joints and moves like a whippet, so fluid and agile.
Why are there such differences within breeds such as working and showing lines. Surely they should be of the same able to do a job and look good doing it.
Oh it has really annoyed me seeing an animal so unsound and distressed.
 
Lévrier;13204052 said:
I just see a dog that is nervy, distressed and clearly not showing itself off in any way - which would be explained by the fact she is in season apart from anything else - she didn't move properly because of that, not because she is structurally unsound!

Having said that, I could not live with a topline like that.....
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I agree she looked terrified, people on the exhibitors page on fb are saying she has very good hip and elbow scores and others were saying they deliberately didnt show under that judge because they knew the type they liked.
 
Agree. Can't see why they are delighted that this is the start of a discussion, should be near the end of it. I would suggest the dog is disqualified, it's KC record states clearly that it is not suitable for breeding and the judge is demoted at the least. Horrible to see.
 
Penny Less said:
Is it wise to take a dog in season to a show like this if this is indeed the case? Sorry don't know the protocol of showing !
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Wise? Depends on what perspective. I don't believe there to be any harm for the bitch, except perhaps to annoy her when she's hormonal. Other exhibitors, particularly those with dogs would be most annoyed. But it's a strange one. My bitch last year only JUSt finished a season before the show - a lot of expense paying for hotels, qualifications, entries time spent getting ready and conditioning to not go because it might annoy someone else. There is no specific rule to say you can't show a bitch in season as far as I'm aware, unlike agility or obedience. I had expected to leave her home this year as she was due again to come in for Crufts. But she's now overdue :/

It's generally frowned upon but not against the rules.
 
Penny Less said:
Is it wise to take a dog in season to a show like this if this is indeed the case? ……..
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PucciNPoni said:
Wise? Depends on what perspective. ……..

It's generally frowned upon but not against the rules.
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The ruling could simply be adjusted that if male dogs are showing any specific interest in a bitch then she's simply removed. It isn't that difficult and it would be the bitch owner who's responsible, they'll be able to adjust the bitch's season to fit in with showing, and to enter a dog which will clearly upset male dogs because of her current 'condition' is both thoughtless and unnecessary. Any bitch which by her condition reflects upon the behaviour of male exhibitors would say little for her owners.

Can we imagine the chaos which would have ensued had he slipped his handler (and none that I saw inspired me) and covered her in the ring? The twenty minute wait would have demanded screens, at the very least! :D

Alec.
 
I guess if you really think that that year, with that judge your bitch has the possibility of going best in breed you are going to take her and that in her actual class it will all be bitches. I do think when doing BOB they should have had them go round individually though not together. People take in season mares out.
 
yes mares in season of often out, but given their cycles being so frequent it would almost remove them completely from the scene I suppose it would be generally thought of as unfair, whereas most bitches are a 6 month cycles there are many shows which still can be done. Unfortunately though, with a six month cycle and seasons which last three weeks....and a show like Crufts are always the same time, there's a good chance a bitch might miss Crufts every year.

And there's not much chance of me being a novice exhibitor going BOB at most any champ show lol - I've come close maybe once with a BB but well, I live in hope lol
 
twiggy2 said:
one litter of pups would change all that
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True enough. I'm I a breed though that you don't see many bitches showing after a certain age or after a litter. Their coat sort of loses it's bloom after the age of five and many breeders shave down the coat for whelping. Yes, I could certainly show her with a pet trim, but I think that only certain exhibitors can "get away" with it.
 
PucciNPoni said:
True enough. I'm I a breed though that you don't see many bitches showing after a certain age or after a litter. Their coat sort of loses it's bloom after the age of five and many breeders shave down the coat for whelping. Yes, I could certainly show her with a pet trim, but I think that only certain exhibitors can "get away" with it.
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running most bitches hard and getting them really fit and perfect weight will delay seasons in almost all itches, my last lurcher bitch always had to be 'let down' and 'fed up' to make her come into season as she always ran herself so hard on a daily basis. It is not uncommon in lurchers as they don't tend to carry the body fat that other dogs can and by nautre of them as a working dog they have to be very fit to suceed.
I know a few security dogs that have been the same, also how oten is it that a bitch comes into season dead on 6 months every time?
 
ester said:
I don't think running them hard is going to result in show condition for a lot of them!
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crufts is once per year, if you delay the season 6 months or so before crufts by getting them fit enough that nature delays a season for a month there is plenty of time to be ready for enough shows to qualify and have the dog show ready for crufts
 
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