Crufts - your winner?

Nope Valerie Foss isnt a toy person - I adore the pharoah hound, but reckon it will be the vizsla

Bl**dy hell look at that pharoah hound move, brilliant!!!!

ETA - just googled her, as I thought she is a gundog woman - she might put down the vizsla just to make a point in that case!
 
Well he did it! I'm not sure my feeling on that subject other than he is a stunning dog and you can't take that away from him.
 
Protesting over what??

I'm not watching who won what got reserve??

I've come in here for the very first time *waves* just to find out what won:D:D
 
Yogi the vizsla won, the scottie got reserve.
Protesting over god knows what! Showing dogs/pedigree dogs as a whole/being bred from...there are always protests at crufts and other high profile shows.
 
Am not normally an Akita fan, but she really wowed me. The viszla was something else to watch moving - fab! I'm not familiar with pharohs in the flesh, but was really intrigued with her handling that dog on a long lead - was really cool to see him striding out like that. But was rather chuffed to see that scotty take reserve. I really liked it alot.
 
Bit late to this, not exactly surprised at the viszla, but would have been nice for something. Loved the pharoah hound, didn't think any other breed moved on the end of the lead like that. Can't be doing with the "experts" doing the commentary, they seemed to have a down on the pharoah, saying it was unsettled, well the viszla had a massive spook at camera and the corgi definitely looked edgy on more than one occasion. It still beats me how you can judge soundness on a breed like maltese. A friend used to breed them, poor little b's spent all their time with their coats wrapped up in papers when they weren't at shows - some terrier. :rolleyes:
 
I couldn't watch Crufts as not in the UK but went on the results website (in the hope of finding info on Viszlak, which obviously I didn't as I had no clue of her name or of her dog's name) anyway... I found a piccie of the lovely Italian greyhound who won Best of Breed, and was shocked to see how much white he has! In Italy they have to be a solid colour, white patches are heavily penalised except for very small ones on the paws / chest -- definitely not the amount of white that dog had!

It's a pointless post sorry. It's just that I assumed that breed standards would be European-wide! A friend who is a golden retriever breeder is often importing dogs from abroad, she has bought her latest stud dog from Finland precisely with the aim of expanding her gene pool. This would be absolutely impossible in the case of an Italian greyhound, you couldn't run the risk of having that much white right? Am I being stupid / missing something or can it really happen that breed standards differ THAT much from one country to the other?
 
Interesting point Frodob, you would imagine the standard of the country of origin would be the one all other countries should adhere to wouldn't you, but obviously not. But you only have to look at some of the "English" type winning GSDs and compare then with dogs in Germany to see that it ain't the case.

Ets. Just looked at UK standard, white seems to be an allowed colour or white "broken with another colour", so obviously the UK KC think they can improve on the Italians. :(
 
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The breed standards do differ from country to country in most breeds. Some have subtle differences, others quite noticeable (usually colour allowance, and size). The UK only has one breed standard per breed. However in Italy and may other countries who have their own KC standards (or breed specific standards from the breed society of that country), they will also fall under the FCI breed standards. I know for my own breed within a few countries the breed standards issued by the govering KC and the FCI of which the country is a member have their share of different requirements. Hope this makes sense.
 
Yes it does make sense, thank you! I still find it extremely strange, especially within Europe. Surely it would be much better if all breed associations etc conformed to the same European-wide standard. Especially in the case of extremely rare breeds like the Italian greyhound, there were only 186 registered iggies in Italy in 2008 (when we got Florimell) -- surely everybody would benefit from opening the gene pool to include foreign dogs, even if they are half white :)
 
It does make sense to open up gene pools, especially to use foreign dogs both for mating purposes and to import other lines in a breed. It seems to be the same throughout the world though in many breeds that each country has a number (often older breeders and therefore "influential") who see foreign dogs as inferior quality. And therefore deter the import of other lines. It certainly happens in my breed, and you see countries develope a particular "type" unique to them, ie. Scandinavian type, English type, American type, etc. Yet they all are supposed to conform to one similar worldwide standard. It is interesting how each country reads the standard.

Of course many of the UK native breeds have been "adjusted" according to they way other countries view our / their standards and those dogs are often considerably different in some ways to the original ones here.

As a little brag re: the lovely Akita, my homebred young boy beat that last year for Best Puppy in Show at Bath Champ show so it was nice to see the Akita go Group 1. It does look incredibly mature for 18 months old. My boy now is still very much a youngster, but then as a breed he is not going to mature so quickly and will not look so finished until he is at least 3.
 
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