Cud some kind person get me a number on preloved

Bertolie said:
I paid a fiver and joined but for the sole purpose of getting a phone number from an advert for a horse for a friend. So, did I abuse the system ('shoplifting' for friend)? Did the friend? (She got the horse free to good home, so the only money spent was my fiver!)
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Did you use the site ever again for yourself? If so, you stole a fiver. If not, you still probably broke the terms and conditions that you signed up for when you paid over your fiver.

Striker it's not twenty five quid to join, it's a fiver, and let's see how you feel the next time you have five quid nicked out of your purse, shall we? Because that's what's happened to the owner of Preloved.
 
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cptrayes said:
Did you use the site ever again for yourself? If so, you stole a fiver. If not, you still probably broke the terms and conditions that you signed up for when you paid over your fiver.
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I'm just wondering what sort of person the 'friend' is to allow someone to pay the fiver for them to get a number, for a free horse.....
 
cptrayes said:
So will you shoplift for the next person who asks you to give them something that they are supposed to pay a business for?

What you did was theft. You gave someone a product which they were supposed to pay five pounds to have access to.
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No, I paid for the right to that information in joining up as a member ... how I use the information I have paid for, is up to me ... and of course I wouldn`t shop lift, I would pay for them item (or the service in this case) and give it away ... as I have done :) .... It is only the same as some one saying "oh i`d love a raspberry ripple ice cream has anyone got one they could give me?" and me offering the one I have already bought and paid for but don`t need ;)
 
DCJACE said:
No, I paid for the right to that information in joining up as a member ... how I use the information I have paid for, is up to me ... and of course I wouldn`t shop lift, I would pay for them item (or the service in this case) and give it away ... as I have done :) .... It is only the same as some one saying "oh i`d love a raspberry ripple ice cream has anyone got one they could give me?" and me offering the one I have already bought and paid for but don`t need ;)
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Everyone could say that about dvd and cd piracy though couldn't they?

In any case, why would anyone be such a mug as to pay the fare themselves, and then allow other people to get info for free at their expense?!!
 
DCJACE said:
No, I paid for the right to that information in joining up as a member ... how I use the information I have paid for, is up to me ... and of course I wouldn`t shop lift, I would pay for them item (or the service in this case) and give it away ... as I have done :) .... It is only the same as some one saying "oh i`d love a raspberry ripple ice cream has anyone got one they could give me?" and me offering the one I have already bought and paid for but don`t need ;)
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Have you read the conditions you signed up for? I haven't, but I'd be surprised if they allow you to give anyone else the number.

Do you also copy cds and dvds and give those to your friends?

And no, it's not like your ice cream example. It's like you paying for a year's supply of ice cream and then giving one to any friends who asks. You paid preloved for the access for you to numbers for new ads, not for the access by you and anyone else who asks you.
 
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Moomin1 said:
Everyone could say that about dvd and cd piracy though couldn't they?

In any case, why would anyone be such a mug as to pay the fare themselves, and then allow other people to get info for free at their expense?!!
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Not really, i`m not copying things and selling them. If I had bought a DVD (original cost) and then given it away to someone who wanted it, I can`t see the problem with that, and no, i`m not a mug, just happy to help out if I`m in a position to.

cptrayes said:
Have you read the conditions you signed up for? I haven't, but I'd be surprised if they allow you to give anyone else the number.

Do you also copy cds and dvds and give those to your friends?

And no, it's not like your ice cream example. It's like you paying for a year's supply of ice cream and then giving one to any friends who asks. You paid preloved for the access for you to numbers for new ads, not for the access by you and anyone else who asks you.
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Yes I have just read all the terms, conditions, user guidelines and user policies, and no where does it state "You must not ever get a number and share it with a non paid member" (or anything similar for that matter). Realistically it isn`t something they could police anyway? !!

Regarding the DVD thing, again no, I wouldn`t copy them as that is piracy, but giving away my original that I have bought and paid for, yes I have and I would do that :)

But I haven`t given it away to anyone who asks (ie over and over again) .. I`ve had my membership for about 7 years now, and I think I`ve done it twice in that time ? .... When did people become so uptight? ... Sorry, I was brought up to be helpful, and to share .... I bought a homeless guy a coffee and a bacon bun on my way into work on a regular basis too ... I suppose there`ll be some terrible moral dilemma for doing that too :p
 
teabiscuit said:
My chap has stage 4 c, I can't get worked up about it.
Nasty thread.
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Sorry about your chap.

But most things must feel unimportant compared to that, quite rightly, but it doesn't mean there's no right and wrong in the world.

There are some rather below the belt arguements on here.
 
Wow. Only HHO could get so worked up about what someone else does with £5. Whether or not its been 'stolen' its really the decision of whoever gave out the number as to what they do with their membership
 
I feel offended that cptrayes felt that I was in need of moral guidence over a fiver that has sweet fa to do with me.
Isis have annexed a chunk of Iraq to turn it into a sharia law fantasy land.
Yes, let's get sanctimonious about pre loved's fiver.
 
DCJACE said:
Yes I have just read all the terms, conditions, user guidelines and user policies, and no where does it state "You must not ever get a number and share it with a non paid member" (or anything similar for that matter). Realistically it isn`t something they could police anyway? !!
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The terms and conditions say you may make one download or copy for your own use and that you may share that with other members of your organisation.

In other words, you can share the information you have obtained only if you have a corporate membership, not a personal one.

I find the argument that it can't be policed non sensical. That does not make it right.


Teabiscuit I am sorry about you OH. Life can be very hard, I hope things look brighter for you soon.
 
teabiscuit said:
I feel offended that cptrayes felt that I was in need of moral guidence over a fiver that has sweet fa to do with me.
Isis have annexed a chunk of Iraq to turn it into a sharia law fantasy land.
Yes, let's get sanctimonious about pre loved's fiver.
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Sorry to hear your bad news.

However, a simple straightforward conversation regarding peoples' opinions on various matters is still allowed.
 
teabiscuit said:
I feel offended that cptrayes felt that I was in need of moral guidence over a fiver that has sweet fa to do with me.
Isis have annexed a chunk of Iraq to turn it into a sharia law fantasy land.
Yes, let's get sanctimonious about pre loved's fiver.
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I'm not giving you moral guidance, I am expressing my own view. I'm sorry you don't like me doing that but it's got naff all to do with your oh having cancer, though I'm sorry he has, or Iraq.
 
Jeeeeez talk about a mountain out of a molehill!! No one HAD to give her the number for goodness sake... life's too short to argue over something so trivial.
 
cptrayes said:
The terms and conditions say you may make one download or copy for your own use and that you may share that with other members of your organisation.

In other words, you can share the information you have obtained only if you have a corporate membership, not a personal one.

I find the argument that it can't be policed non sensical. That does not make it right.
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The above (15.2) is in reference to copywrite laws:

15.1 We are the owner or the licensee of all intellectual property rights in Preloved and in Content Posted on it. Those works are protected by copyright laws and treaties around the world. All such rights are reserved.

No where does it state, with a personal account, you may not share a number you have got through paying your membership, and until it does I shall help out those who need it. After all, buying and selling is the game, and when it works, through word of mouth, their business will grow and many more will pay up their fiver ;)


On a different note entirely, i`m sending my thoughts and prayers to you and yours teabiscuit ..... horrible damn disease takes too many people ... I donate monthly to cancer research, I only hope some day soon they find a cure so no one else has to go through what you are now :( .......
 
Ladyinred said:
Jeeeeez talk about a mountain out of a molehill!! No one HAD to give her the number for goodness sake... life's too short to argue over something so trivial.
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Nobody's arguing - or trying to argue. They are simply stating their opinions. Which last thing I knew, was allowed.
 
I was not referring to the copyright section. In another section it says you may take one copy or download. And that you may share that with other members of 'your organization'.

In any case, it's perfectly obvious to anyone that the reason individuals pay a fiver and organisations pay five times that is that you are only supposed to share if you have a corporate membership.

I have no idea why people are getting so bent out of shape about us discussing this. The increasing acceptance of minor stuff like this, small insurance fraud, etc, is, imo, a real, creeping and increasingly serious problem with society.
 
I feel very much lectured to, in a personal way too.
Opinions are one thing, posting them in such a manner that you p people off is another.
Just sayin'
 
Thanks DCJACE, that's very sweet if you. I think I've got my angry hat on folks. I apologise a little bit and will crawl back into my hole lol.
 
teabiscuit said:
I feel very much lectured to, in a personal way too.
Opinions are one thing, posting them in such a manner that you p people off is another.
Just sayin'
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I'm confused as to how you possibly feel 'lectured to'? Do you mean by the simple fact that some people disagree with the morals of those who don't pay for info on Preloved? Should those people not dare say a word about it? I am quite sure some people, who perhaps, cheat benefits, or fiddle the system, feel 'lectured to' by others who say they find it morally unacceptable. The list goes on.
 
cptrayes said:
I was not referring to the copyright section. In another section it says you may take one copy or download. And that you may share that with other members of 'your organization'.

I have no idea why people are getting so bent out of shape about us discussing this. The increasing acceptance of minor stuff like this, small insurance fraud, etc, is, imo, a real, creeping and increasingly serious problem with society.
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15. Intellectual Property Rights

15.1 We are the owner or the licensee of all intellectual property rights in Preloved and in Content Posted on it. Those works are protected by copyright laws and treaties around the world. All such rights are reserved.


**THIS IS THE PART YOU ARE QUOTING**
15.2 You may print off one copy, and may download extracts, of any page(s) from Preloved for your personal reference and you may draw the attention of others within your organisation to Content Posted on Preloved.
**THIS IS THE PART YOU ARE QUOTING**

15.3 You must not modify the paper or digital copies of any Content you have printed off or downloaded in any way, and you must not use Content separately from any accompanying text.

15.4 Our status (and that of any identified contributors) as the authors of Content on Preloved must always be acknowledged.

15.5 You must not use any part of the Content on Preloved for commercial purposes without obtaining a licence to do so from us or our licensors.

15.6 If you print off, copy or download any part of Preloved in breach of these terms of use, your right to use Preloved will cease immediately and you must, at our option, return or destroy any copies of the Content you have made.


When you read the paragraph you are quoting in your post, in the full context of what it is actually describing, you`ll see it is indeed covering copy write.


People are getting 'bent out of shape' as 1 person, has given another person a phone number, which they would have had access to in in 6 days anyway, and people are getting accused of fraad/piracy and heaven knows what else ... it`s a phone number, that a person with the membership, who has paid their fiver, is willing to pay ... **simples**


Anyhow, back to real life, our company went into administration 2 weeks ago, another company has bought them out, 2 drivers have quit, my boss didn`t like the new company and trashed the office on Friday (and I mean trashed it) and walked out leaving me to deal with the aftermath this morning, not to mention i`ve been told they`ll not be replacing him ... so that leaves me ... on my Jack Jones lol ... oh what fun ... well, finding a positive at least I don`t have to listen to his god awful music anymore ..... :p

Now, where is my Gin .... **hic**
 
OK is in the IPR section; it's not the bit you quoted.

Dcjace, I'm really sorry about your job, but can you not see that if everyone does what happened on this thread that there will be more people in your situation, out of work because preloved went bust?

If what happened was allowed, can you tell me why corporate membership costs more?

I hope your job situation gets sorted out soon.
 
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teabiscuit said:
Thanks DCJACE, that's very sweet if you. I think I've got my angry hat on folks. I apologise a little bit and will crawl back into my hole lol.
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As someone said, you have loads on your plate and also I totally admire someone who can apologise, very few people can. And you did have a point anyway, it has turned a bit OTT. Hope things pick up for your OH.
 
Moomin1 said:
I'm confused as to how you possibly feel 'lectured to'? Do you mean by the simple fact that some people disagree with the morals of those who don't pay for info on Preloved? Should those people not dare say a word about it? I am quite sure some people, who perhaps, cheat benefits, or fiddle the system, feel 'lectured to' by others who say they find it morally unacceptable. The list goes on.
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Give it a rest and show some compassion.
 
I'm really sorry about your husband tea biscuit. I hope things get better for you soon.
My bf is from Iraq I think he is interested in what happens there lol
 
Moomin1 said:
Err, I've shown compassion. I said I am sorry to hear of the predicament. However, if the thread offends people that much, then why bother posting?
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Because Teabiscuit is going through something harsh and is probably going through many emotions. Fwiw I agree but no need to belabour the point with someone who is very vulnerable atm.
 
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