Cut won't heal!

Illusion100 said:
He sounds like a super patient and one that is always very pleasant to have to work with under those conditions! :)

It is suprising how well the vast majority cope with such invasive treatment. Put us humans to shame really. Fine, they put me to shame at least! ;)
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He is very good. He had the last rectal examination without sedation. He also had his coffin joints injected and PRP in his suspensory branch without sedation too from what I recall. He has what I call an anxious eye when his eyelid creases but I try not to feel sorry for him too much as I don't want him to feed off me or become anxious. The other week when he had his SE I honestly thought it was THE COLIC that I had been dreading all these years and I would lose him as he was in so much pain. I thought it was bound to be a surgical route which would have been a no no, my heart was hammering and my legs were like jelly so he probably knows anyway how I feel although I disguise it!!
 
ester said:
Quite, ignorance is no defence in life or in the eyes of the law even more so in the days of the internet.
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There is no sin but ignorance...

Particularly wilful ignorance of those who refuse to see that just because something hasn't happened to them yet, doesn't mean it never will...
 
Illusion100 said:
Oh, are we picking on Ester?! Yeah well Ester, she always picks on my piccy taking skills, she's such a biaaatch! There is no excuse for her ignorance, why can't she just accept that I'm cr@p at it?! :p

Here's a good one, a VERY novice owner that doesn't even know the symptoms of colic, for example, is the President of a local riding club and is therefore looked up to for advice. The mind boggles.

Anyway, back to what you were saying! I think we have many scenarios so I'll express a few examples, novices that don't understand symptoms/injuries at all and dont recognise they could/are an issue, novices that trust the advice of people who don't know what they're talking about, experienced owners knowing they have a problem and insist on home tx/not involving vet until there is no hope and horse then disposed of by hunt no questions asked and my least fave, people who've tried home tx, failed miserably, got vet out, then continued to ignore vet advice or decide to put it down themselves.

I suppose my point is that genuine but ignorant owners that make mistakes are very different than those that know better and do it anyway. If it is any consolation the ones that knowingly cause suffering/neglect (certainly in any scenario I've been involved with) have had their horses seized permenantly sooner or later. As for prosecution, that wasn't so much up to the vet but the rescue so we never really got to know what happened after the horse/pony was PTS or treated and travelled to rescue.

All I know is that if there is a fool proof solution to everything scenario that anyone can fix at home, then why do Vets even exist?!
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Indeed. A very much sought after vet was out to one of the liveries last week. He's now come on board as one of our yard vets (which I'm still pinching myself about) but he was fab. He totally understood why I wanted him to see the horse, but basically said, keep doing what you're doing, keep him in for two weeks to be safe and to trust my judgement because he does. Won't stop me calling though. £60 for peace of mind is worth it every time to me. I called him this morning to give an update on the horse and say I think he'd be better off back out now, 100% sound, no longer soft (sole) and did he want to check him over first. He said, "if you think he can go out, I'm not going to question that, laughed at me and told me to get on with it. lol.
 
JFTD said:
There is no sin but ignorance...

Particularly wilful ignorance of those who refuse to see that just because something hasn't happened to them yet, doesn't mean it never will...
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But you could say the same about any scenario. I could say to you, "you are not wearing an air jacket in your siggy when you are jumping". You could say "Well I won't fall off". I could say "Well you are silly because I fell off and I know loads of people that have fallen off and we had air jackets on so we were alright but you won't be if you fall off". That is my perspective. If is my opinion. It is not fact that you WILL fall off anymore than it is fact that if I fall off wearing an air jacket I WON'T hurt myself. Its just my opinion. If you did fall off and hurt yourself I wouldn't then say "well you were willfully ignorant for not listening to me"! I wouldn't look down on you!

The woman (whoever it was) in the story about the horse with the gammy knee. It was just her way of doing things. She didn't know any better, she hadn't the knowledge. She made a mistake and her horse paid the price, but ultimately she paid a heavy price too and like someone said, a lesson learned the hard way. She wasn't being intentionally cruel. Whilst everyone on here (not being nasty when I say this) talks about her like she is the lowest form of life, I actually feel very sorry for her.

PS I don't wear an airjacket in my siggy, just in case you think I am picking on you. I hadn't bought it then but I wear it everyday now :)
 
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There's a flaw in your logic, AC14. There is empirical evidence that medical grade honey is safer than non-medical grade (I didn't actually aim that comment at the OP). There is no empirical data to support the use of air jackets, and the plural of your anecdotes is not data. The two concepts are not remotely comparable, purely on the basis of scientific reasoning.
 
applecart14 said:
But you could say the same about any scenario. I could say to you, "you are not wearing an air jacket in your siggy when you are jumping". You could say "Well I won't fall off". I could say "Well you are silly because I fell off and I know loads of people that have fallen off and we had air jackets on so we were alright but you won't be if you fall off". That is my perspective. If is my opinion. It is not fact that you WILL fall off anymore than it is fact that if I fall off wearing an air jacket I WON'T hurt myself. Its just my opinion. If you did fall off and hurt yourself I wouldn't then say "well you were willfully ignorant for not listening to me"! I wouldn't look down on you!

The woman (whoever it was) in the story about the horse with the gammy knee. It was just her way of doing things. She didn't know any better, she hadn't the knowledge. She made a mistake and her horse paid the price, but ultimately she paid a heavy price too and like someone said, a lesson learned the hard way. She wasn't being intentionally cruel. Whilst everyone on here (not being nasty when I say this) talks about her like she is the lowest form of life, I actually feel very sorry for her.

PS I don't wear an airjacket in my siggy, just in case you think I am picking on you. I hadn't bought it then but I wear it everyday now :)
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JFTD said:
There's a flaw in your logic, AC14. There is empirical evidence that medical grade honey is safer than non-medical grade (I didn't actually aim that comment at the OP). There is no empirical data to support the use of air jackets, and the plural of your anecdotes is not data. The two concepts are not remotely comparable, purely on the basis of scientific reasoning.
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There's a bigger flaw than that JFTD. In AC14's scenario, you'd be making a decision on your own welfare, which you are perfectly within your rights to do. What the thread is about is people making choices on behalf of an animal that can't make the decisions for itself. It's a position of responsibility to an animal, so a point made about what risks we, as humans choose to take is irrelevant.
 
_GG_ said:
There's a bigger flaw than that JFTD. In AC14's scenario, you'd be making a decision on your own welfare, which you are perfectly within your rights to do. What the thread is about is people making choices on behalf of an animal that can't make the decisions for itself. It's a position of responsibility to an animal, so a point made about what risks we, as humans choose to take is irrelevant.
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Gosh JFTD have you swallowed a dictionary for your lunch? Yeah well it wasn't the best example but I thought you might have caught my drift. Anyway I will retire now that I can add illogical thinking to my list of missdemeanours (and bad spelling is another one too by the looks of it). Gosh its a wonder I don't get PTS myself.

Tell you what we do have which is nice at our yard. A sign on the tack room door that simply says "if you can't be nice go home". I like that.
 
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_GG_ said:
There's a bigger flaw than that JFTD. In AC14's scenario, you'd be making a decision on your own welfare, which you are perfectly within your rights to do. What the thread is about is people making choices on behalf of an animal that can't make the decisions for itself. It's a position of responsibility to an animal, so a point made about what risks we, as humans choose to take is irrelevant.
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I would have made that point, but I figured that I'd be opening the old "burden on the NHS", "it's not just you who'll suffer for your lackadaisical attitude to health and safety" can of worms... And I'm way too lazy for that...
 
applecart14 said:
Yeah well it wasn't the best example but I thought you might have caught my drift. Anyway I will retire now that I can add illogical thinking to my list of missdemeanours (and bad spelling is another one too by the looks of it).

Tell you what we do have which is nice at our yard. A sign that says "if you can't be nice go home". I like that.
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Yeah, I knew...just enjoying a little afternoon banter. I think we've probably derailed the thread enough to be fair, but agree...it's been an interesting discussion.

I too like the sounds of that sign...I have a few ready to go up around here...my favourite being, "If you think you know it all, sell your horse and buy a My Little Pony" I made it a few months ago :)
 
_GG_ said:
Yeah, I knew...just enjoying a little afternoon banter. I think we've probably derailed the thread enough to be fair, but agree...it's been an interesting discussion.

I too like the sounds of that sign...I have a few ready to go up around here...my favourite being, "If you think you know it all, sell your horse and buy a My Little Pony" I made it a few months ago :)
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My fav is "you never stop learning with horses". Too true.
 
The best sign I have is simply:

"KEEP OUT"

Because I have a private yard and I'd rather not have to deal with other people, no matter how nice they're trying to be. But I am a self confessed grumpy git.
 
Looking through the post and suggestions good and appalling. Can I ask a few questions as your info is scant. Wound healing is a natural process that follows a path only halted by infection or intervention (usually well meaning?? usually Human). Something has compromised this process
What phase is the wound at? (Inflammatory phase, Proliferation phase, Maturation phase). I guess the middle one?.
A picture would be helpful if you don’t know.
Is it exudating /granulating or looking like a cheesy Pizza?
What dressing are you using? For how long?
What do you do to the wound between dressing changes?
Do you clean with Saline or Hibiscrub type?
What the active ingredient in the fly cream ?
Gentle lavage with sterile saline is best - Chemical skin cleanser’s wash away the Fibroblasts. (Fibroblasts are critical in supporting normal wound healing, involved in key processes such as creating new extra cellular matrix and collagen structures to support the other cells)….. Why when you have the scaffolding for skin and capillary growth would you “scub” them away with chemical cleanser and or a toothbrush!!!! ( this is Forrest Gump DVM)
Manuka honey fits well as a dressing but so do many other. Manuka can be used to debride also! Keep it moist, that works!!! Simple Hydrogel and foam may often suffice. Others do not work and should not be mixed. Animal lintex should not really be used with honey it effects the glucose oxidase action and reduces the action, slowing the process. Personally I would question if it should be used at all? There are many papers on the use of Boric acid- Boric Acid Published Online: 31 JAN 2012 -DOI: 10.1002/3527600418.mb1004335kske0005 “Boric acid should not be allowed to come into contact with open wounds, damaged skin or, in particular, granulation tissue.” – “Application of boric acid to healthy skin does not cause toxic effects. However, intoxications, some of which were lethal, have been described after application to damaged skin, especially to granulation tissue”. Animalintex Poultice Ingredient % by Wt -Cotton Wadding -62 - 75 % by Wt - Tragacanth Gum -11 - 13 % by Wt - Boric Acid -3 - 5 % by Wt - Polyethylene- 5 % by Wt.

On the whole the natural healing process will continue (ex of infection); it can be simply aided or it can be impaired by intervention of the wrong type. If it’s not healing, ask yourself what have we done to interfere it. Not what is the magical fix and cure-all, fancy light bulb on a string, there isn’t one!!!
 
NeilDePlume said:
Looking through the post and suggestions good and appalling. Can I ask a few questions as your info is scant. Wound healing is a natural process that follows a path only halted by infection or intervention (usually well meaning?? usually Human). Something has compromised this process
What phase is the wound at? (Inflammatory phase, Proliferation phase, Maturation phase). I guess the middle one?.
A picture would be helpful if you don’t know.
Is it exudating /granulating or looking like a cheesy Pizza?
What dressing are you using? For how long?
What do you do to the wound between dressing changes?
Do you clean with Saline or Hibiscrub type?
What the active ingredient in the fly cream ?
Gentle lavage with sterile saline is best - Chemical skin cleanser’s wash away the Fibroblasts. (Fibroblasts are critical in supporting normal wound healing, involved in key processes such as creating new extra cellular matrix and collagen structures to support the other cells)….. Why when you have the scaffolding for skin and capillary growth would you “scub” them away with chemical cleanser and or a toothbrush!!!! ( this is Forrest Gump DVM)
Manuka honey fits well as a dressing but so do many other. Manuka can be used to debride also! Keep it moist, that works!!! Simple Hydrogel and foam may often suffice. Others do not work and should not be mixed. Animal lintex should not really be used with honey it effects the glucose oxidase action and reduces the action, slowing the process. Personally I would question if it should be used at all? There are many papers on the use of Boric acid- Boric Acid Published Online: 31 JAN 2012 -DOI: 10.1002/3527600418.mb1004335kske0005 “Boric acid should not be allowed to come into contact with open wounds, damaged skin or, in particular, granulation tissue.” – “Application of boric acid to healthy skin does not cause toxic effects. However, intoxications, some of which were lethal, have been described after application to damaged skin, especially to granulation tissue”. Animalintex Poultice Ingredient % by Wt -Cotton Wadding -62 - 75 % by Wt - Tragacanth Gum -11 - 13 % by Wt - Boric Acid -3 - 5 % by Wt - Polyethylene- 5 % by Wt.

On the whole the natural healing process will continue (ex of infection); it can be simply aided or it can be impaired by intervention of the wrong type. If it’s not healing, ask yourself what have we done to interfere it. Not what is the magical fix and cure-all, fancy light bulb on a string, there isn’t one!!!
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Welcome to the forum. That's an impressive first post!
 
NeilDePlume said:
Looking through the post and suggestions good and appalling. Can I ask a few questions as your info is scant. Wound healing is a natural process that follows a path only halted by infection or intervention (usually well meaning?? usually Human). Something has compromised this process
What phase is the wound at? (Inflammatory phase, Proliferation phase, Maturation phase). I guess the middle one?.
A picture would be helpful if you don’t know.
Is it exudating /granulating or looking like a cheesy Pizza?
What dressing are you using? For how long?
What do you do to the wound between dressing changes?
Do you clean with Saline or Hibiscrub type?
What the active ingredient in the fly cream ?
Gentle lavage with sterile saline is best - Chemical skin cleanser’s wash away the Fibroblasts. (Fibroblasts are critical in supporting normal wound healing, involved in key processes such as creating new extra cellular matrix and collagen structures to support the other cells)….. Why when you have the scaffolding for skin and capillary growth would you “scub” them away with chemical cleanser and or a toothbrush!!!! ( this is Forrest Gump DVM)
Manuka honey fits well as a dressing but so do many other. Manuka can be used to debride also! Keep it moist, that works!!! Simple Hydrogel and foam may often suffice. Others do not work and should not be mixed. Animal lintex should not really be used with honey it effects the glucose oxidase action and reduces the action, slowing the process. Personally I would question if it should be used at all? There are many papers on the use of Boric acid- Boric Acid Published Online: 31 JAN 2012 -DOI: 10.1002/3527600418.mb1004335kske0005 “Boric acid should not be allowed to come into contact with open wounds, damaged skin or, in particular, granulation tissue.” – “Application of boric acid to healthy skin does not cause toxic effects. However, intoxications, some of which were lethal, have been described after application to damaged skin, especially to granulation tissue”. Animalintex Poultice Ingredient % by Wt -Cotton Wadding -62 - 75 % by Wt - Tragacanth Gum -11 - 13 % by Wt - Boric Acid -3 - 5 % by Wt - Polyethylene- 5 % by Wt.

On the whole the natural healing process will continue (ex of infection); it can be simply aided or it can be impaired by intervention of the wrong type. If it’s not healing, ask yourself what have we done to interfere it. Not what is the magical fix and cure-all, fancy light bulb on a string, there isn’t one!!!
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Welcome to the forum. :)

I'll send you pics of my wonky non-healing finger if you like, would be something else to get your teeth into! You might save me umpteen appointments, refferals and the exhaustion of running around in circles.....
 
NeilDePlume said:
Be great to see:) are you overly presenting your middle finger in certain circumstances and its becoming stressed?....
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One can never over present ones middle finger to the point of stress in any circumstance, don't be ridiculous.

Pages 1 & 6 for most recent pics, however there was never a wound to begin with, it just appeared and digressed. I shall expect a magicwondercureitall promptly! :D

https://forums-secure.horseandhound...33-Ok-NOW-it-s-infected-and-it-s-gross!/page6
 
NeilDePlume said:
Looking through the post and suggestions good and appalling. Can I ask a few questions as your info is scant. Wound healing is a natural process that follows a path only halted by infection or intervention (usually well meaning?? usually Human). Something has compromised this process
What phase is the wound at? (Inflammatory phase, Proliferation phase, Maturation phase). I guess the middle one?.
A picture would be helpful if you don’t know.
Is it exudating /granulating or looking like a cheesy Pizza?
What dressing are you using? For how long?
What do you do to the wound between dressing changes?
Do you clean with Saline or Hibiscrub type?
What the active ingredient in the fly cream ?
Gentle lavage with sterile saline is best - Chemical skin cleanser’s wash away the Fibroblasts. (Fibroblasts are critical in supporting normal wound healing, involved in key processes such as creating new extra cellular matrix and collagen structures to support the other cells)….. Why when you have the scaffolding for skin and capillary growth would you “scub” them away with chemical cleanser and or a toothbrush!!!! ( this is Forrest Gump DVM)
Manuka honey fits well as a dressing but so do many other. Manuka can be used to debride also! Keep it moist, that works!!! Simple Hydrogel and foam may often suffice. Others do not work and should not be mixed. Animal lintex should not really be used with honey it effects the glucose oxidase action and reduces the action, slowing the process. Personally I would question if it should be used at all? There are many papers on the use of Boric acid- Boric Acid Published Online: 31 JAN 2012 -DOI: 10.1002/3527600418.mb1004335kske0005 “Boric acid should not be allowed to come into contact with open wounds, damaged skin or, in particular, granulation tissue.” – “Application of boric acid to healthy skin does not cause toxic effects. However, intoxications, some of which were lethal, have been described after application to damaged skin, especially to granulation tissue”. Animalintex Poultice Ingredient % by Wt -Cotton Wadding -62 - 75 % by Wt - Tragacanth Gum -11 - 13 % by Wt - Boric Acid -3 - 5 % by Wt - Polyethylene- 5 % by Wt.

On the whole the natural healing process will continue (ex of infection); it can be simply aided or it can be impaired by intervention of the wrong type. If it’s not healing, ask yourself what have we done to interfere it. Not what is the magical fix and cure-all, fancy light bulb on a string, there isn’t one!!!
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Show off!
 
Yum :). Would need some personal info ,prob off air > May appear stupid question do you have , Sheep /Lambs or have you been in close contact prior??
 
I have just read through all the comments and am glad to say, I had a good look at the cut today (I have been every day but got an experienced friend to look at it too) and it has begun to heal and form a scab. The swelling has gone down too but I am still giving him bute and will wait until he is fully sound before riding him again so it doesn't come open again. He is also in the stable for most of the day atm so isn't walking around too much, which I am hoping will reduce the risk of it opening again. Those comments were very interesting and I have learnt lessons from them so thank you!!
 
_GG_ said:
I'd rather upset a person but know that a horse is going to get proper care than worry about offending someone and leaving a horse to be a guinea pig for trying home remedies advised by strangers on an internet forum!
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This.

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