Day 3

I can't be mad with my landlord, its his house and ultimately his investment and I can understand he isn't happy that the dog is making a mess. I'd feel the same if it were my house I'd just bought and done up to rent. The real issue is, if it were another pup I could leave him in the garden and the problem would be solved, however I can't do that either.

We'll just have to see how the chips fall, he's been very fair up to now so we'll see.
 
Well its with a heavy heart I'm here to say little Zarno cakes isn't with us anymore (he's alive though - sounds a little final!!) after talking it over with my LL and his breeders we decided it was best for him to go back. They were delighted to see him to say the least, and he has now gone up to bonny scotland to live with another big breeder, who owns his father. They say everything happens for a reason, and I learnt two lessons, 1) no more dogs til I own my own house and 2) I definitely want a GSD when I have that.

Incidently we dropped him off in Shropshire at the 2day GSD show there and we stayed and watched a bit and we (my housemate and I) were completely hooked :D

So best luck little Z man, I have a wonderful feeling you are right where you belong.
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What a bl***y shame, poor little lad. What on earth did your LL think a young pup was going to do, arrive house trained! Who knows he may have a great showing career ahead of him in his new home, perhaps a future husband for Evie :p I was at the 2 day yesterday and saw a lovely dog pup walking round, I wonder if it was him.
 
Could be!! I gave him back with the collar and lead of my beloved Baba (hopefully bring him some luck) and it was a silver half choke and a red lead (if you'd have seen that?lol) I imagine thats exactly what happens and I have never met a more happy go lucky, genuine soul in my life - he's going to be a fantastic dog. Sadly not my fantastic dog, but hey ho.
I think the problem with the landlord was the culmination of things, the squealing and the weeing. He did say in all fairness, if he could be left outside, he could stay - but with the noise I know my neighbour would complain - and I can't leave him inside all day because the LL freaked out over the mess.
Its my own fault more than anything, I forget how much mess pups make - if it were my house I'd leave him to it lol but I think when he came over and Z wiped out one of his flower vases that they'd given us with the house, he just looked at me with despair LOL
 
Wow, sorry to say but I feel like a bit of a prick now :(

However I have seen pics of Heather's gaff and he will definitely live the life of riley up there and glad I will still be able to follow his progress.
Glad you enjoyed the show, good luck with your next Shepherd.
 
You shouldn't, its my fault, I didn't really consider it enough, had I not "wanted" him maybe I'd have picked up on a few things that I should have done in the first place. Anyway as you say, he couldn't have a better home than with Heather and don't worry, you wont be hearing any stories for a while, not until I get the chance to make my own mind up on things, instead of someone else doing it for me :(
 
Sorry to hear this, but it sounds like he's gone to a great home. It is difficult when it's not your own house.

Just enjoy your two terrorists (bet they're glad to have Mum back to themselves :)) and who knows what's in your doggy future?
 
Yeah you never know, I'm going to spend the next few years going to a few of those shows and really getting into it, so when I'm ready I'll be READY! :D
 
Oh god hun, I really feel for you.:( Well done for making that decision though - it must have been bloody tough. It's really difficult renting with a dog, let alone a pup - but you gave it a damn good shot. Who knows what is to come in your doggy future, but you're right - you'll be READY when it happens! (FWIW I think mine may hold a corgi based on Annette's piccies :D)
 
katielou_houston said:
I agree with you there.

Simple stuff that should have been agreed on with the LL first. But instead the poor pup gets passed around.
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Firstly, having had puppies before (my two did not drop on me at 3 years old - nor did my dog before that..) I am well aware what a puppy needs, however, every puppy is an individual, my two NEVER yelled when I went out of the room, nor did they sit there and pee out of anxiety.

Secondly, my landlord is happy for me to have dogs, however both he and I thought Z would be like my other puppies, this was not the case. Ultimately my LL gets to pick and choose who lives in his house and I cannot afford to be made homeless, for the sake of one dog, when I have my current dogs to consider.

Thirdly, he did not get "passed around", he got given back to the breeder as was expressly requested at the start of the process and they were very happy to have him back.

I resent your implications that I was somehow wrong to do this and/or wrong to not consult the LL. Unfortunately even though I knew Z didn't like to be left - the full extent of the problem couldn't possibly have been guaged until I got him home. I'd like to suggest at this point that his BREEDERS and people who have been in the breed for 30 years, had to rehome him for the same reason - so its hardly like I fluffed out at the first hurdle, the problem that was too much for them, was clearly too much for me and the only shame I feel is not realising it right away.

But thanks for sticking the boot in, its always nice to find someones happy to twist the knife when you ***** up!
 
Fair enough but surley when you are not expeireced with the breed and maybe even "problem puppies" you don't take on a dog from people that are incredibly experienced knowing even they couldn't solve the problem.
 
Just to say, Z never made it out of England, after he was dropped off at the show by yourself, he was spotted and snapped up by a very experienced family who both show and work their dogs.
Apparently has settled down really well, not a peep out of him unless he is not involved in some sort of fun going on without him and he has been dry until allowed out.
I am sure we have not heard the last of this boy!

Kitty, I think you can understand that people are frustrated that you couldn't give him more than a week and I don't think you can deny the tone and content of some of your posts, including this thread, was frustrated and anxious and panicky and of course, as mentioned, that will filter down to a sensitive dog who may well mirror that behaviour - I have a screamer myself but you need to stay calm and you need to put the work in - as mentioned earlier on in this post.
You seemed to have resigned yourself very early on, even though lots of advice was given and you had done all that research and driven all that way.

I'll not lie, I was gutted things didn't work out with him but I have no doubt he is in the right home.
You had a whirlwind week, but hey, we weren't there and I suppose better a week than a few months time and I am pleased such a good support system was provided in terms of you being able to give him back.

Like I say, wish you all the best in the future but please be aware they are a large working breed, yes, you do get ones who are so laid back they are horizontal, I've had those too, but by and large, like many breeds you do need to put work into them and that does take longer than a week.
 
Just read through this thread again, by day 3 you were saying he was good at night, and housetraining was coming on in leaps and bounds. When your LL was there you say Z was crying but you "laughed it off" and when you came down he had peed by the door. Its quite likely he was whining cos he wanted to go out if he was really getting the house training lark. Yet your post today makes him sound like a pup with real problems, I think it was probably your stress with your neighbour and LL making you feel he was far worse than he was. Several of us tried to reassure you with horror stories of how awful our pups were (and not just GSDs;)), and the fact that pups take time. It seems like you were really lucky with Roly and Lilly, but when you are in a position to have another pup please bear in mind that for the most part pups will do lots of howling and peeing. On the plus side they get over it all and become civilised far quicker than babies.:p
 
MurphysMinder said:
On the plus side they get over it all and become civilised far quicker than babies.:p
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And for that we are all extremely grateful. :p

I spent, I think, around two weeks on hands and knees scrubbing the dog p*ss out of the carpet every morning and sent bottles of wine on two occasions to the couple next door as an apology for the howling (plus a bottle of fizzy cordial when I found out she was preggers :o). Five months on I can look back and laugh at how miserable those first few days were.

I am glad that the pup has gone to a good home, he was a handsome chap, just needed a bit more time than you were able or willing to give.
 
Yes he's probably with the family that should have had him in the first place and I'm going to stick to what I'm "good" at for the time being, which uh, looking at my current record, is probably stuffed animals.
 
Emma - why drag this thread up simply to comment on it? I just don't know what is wrong with you sometimes. You complain to admin about me - but then seem dead set on following my threads round. Please grow up now and avoid my posts and I will (and have) avoid yours. Seems the adult way to resolve it, don't you think?
 
Kitsune said:
Emma - why drag this thread up simply to comment on it? I just don't know what is wrong with you sometimes. You complain to admin about me - but then seem dead set on following my threads round. Please grow up now and avoid my posts and I will (and have) avoid yours. Seems the adult way to resolve it, don't you think?
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Ive only just noticed it jen- dont flatter yourself.
Stick me on user ignore if you dont like it, seems the adult way to resolve it, dont you think?
 
Seen as you can't seem to stop youself commenting on my threads, then yes, it seems the adult way to resolve it :) shame you couldn't exercise a bit of restraint but there we are, this way everyone can see you were asked - and you couldn't deliver.
 
Kitsune said:
Seen as you can't seem to stop youself commenting on my threads, then yes, it seems the adult way to resolve it :) shame you couldn't exercise a bit of restraint but there we are, this way everyone can see you were asked - and you couldn't deliver.
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I exercise plenty of restraint. See you on UI kitty, or not as the case may be.

Shame about Z though, he was a stunner.
 
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