Dead horse at Aintree today

FieldOrnaments said:
What else would you call splatting like that after a jump?
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Rear end fall, sometimes rear end goes sideways

If the front end or rear end goes down that far, or the horse stumbles and goes down and staggers on then recovers

Anyone knows when these things happen serious injury can occur

In any case any fool knows the horse should be pulled up and assessed, galloping or to jump further jumps could result in recoverable injury going catastrophic
 
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tristars said:
Rear end fall, sometimes rear end goes sideways

If the front end or rear end goes down that far, or the horse stumbles and goes down and staggers on then recovers

Anyone knows when these things happen serious injury can occur

In any case any fool knows the horse should be pulled up and assessed, galloping on to jump further jumps could result in recoverable injury going catastrophic
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It was the last jump
 
Could they bring in something that if the rear end touches the ground/the horse sits down, it has to pull up. I looked at eventing rules and shoulder and quarters both hitting the floor is classed as a fall

The way they sometimes lose their back end on landing, how can it be known nothing has been damaged internally?
 
Crazy_cat_lady said:
Could they bring in something that if the rear end touches the ground/the horse sits down, it has to pull up. I looked at eventing rules and shoulder and quarters both hitting the floor is classed as a fall

The way they sometimes lose their back end on landing, how can it be known nothing has been damaged internally?
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The jockey will feel the back end drop but not know how low it has gone, only those watching from the side will know if it touched the ground or not.
 
I'm late to this discussion but to throw my 2p in the ring.....
I think equestrian sports need to take a long hard look at ourselves. Take the money and ribbons and trophies out of it and remind ourselves the ONLY reason these sports should exist is because we have the privilege of riding these beautiful animals. Their safety and wellbeing should be the top priority. Always. Yes accidental injuries can happen, competing or out on a hack, but that does not mean we should not do everything in our power to ensure the safety of our equine partners and always try to put their safety first.

I don't think the majority of us go into competing at equestrian sports for money. I would like to think that for most of us it started because we love these beautiful animals and the joy that comes with riding them. But something has gone very wrong somewhere. We now have respected equestrian's whipping horses around a school, we have become oblivious to horses eyes screaming in pain with every gadget know to man strapped around their faces, and now apparently we whip broken horses across the finish line where the only prize waiting for them is a bullet. I am disgusted.

I love (loved?) racing but I've always acknowledged its flaws and wanted it to constantly do better as an industry. Make positive changes, put the welfare of horses first, but I fear this industry constantly proves it will never be about that. Shame on them and all who make excuses for this treatment of horses.
 
The fall is reminiscent of Devon Loch, though fortunately his was a complete splat and he stopped. Dick Francis didn't ask him to get going again and the Queen Mother's response to DF was "that's racing".

I am no fan of racing but find the actual racing itself to be the least problematical part of the TB industry, despite injury and death. It starts with breeding from horses with poor breeding conformation (look up caslick and pouret), only allowing natural covering for registration (not IVF), and 1 January birthday (which was fine when we weren't able to manipulate a mare's seasons, but now means greater difference in actual ages racing against each other) and training far far far too early. Then feeding. Stabling. Lack of turnout. Ulcers. Prevalence of stereotypical behaviour.

Only someone who knows nothing about what's important to horses would say they're treated like kings.
 
Willie Mullins was the trainer of Golden Dancer.Google his response to what happened.IMHO it was harsh and unpleasant but accurately sums up racings attitude towards the horses it races.
As much of the decision making as possible should be removed from the jockeys and by extension the people behind them that influence these decisions, many of whom are very wealthy and powerful.Our Royal family for one.
 
And the jockey on the second placed horse in the same race also used his whip over the permitted number of times, and has previous for this.

Toby McCain-Mitchell, rider of Melon, was also found in breach of the whip rules following the convening of the Whip Review Committee on Tuesday, having used his stick twice above the permitted level after the second-last flight.

As the jockey has already received whip bans three times within the last six months, the 24-year-old was referred to the Judicial Panel.

Plus he got a 10 day ban for his ride next day in the GN for pressing a tired horse which fell at the last.

He might be descended from a legendary trainer, but a hot head like him should not be allowed anywhere near a horse.
 
Clodagh said:
That is an absolute load of tosh! There is no need to set out to breed lower grade horses, plenty are produced via quality breeding projects.
And the multi syndicate’s Reynolds is talking about are hardly low value, the horses cost usually between £50-£100k.
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£50-£100k isn't that much for a racehorse, especially not if it has top quality bloodlines.

My point was that syndicates unwittingly do dilute racing, it's not that long ago that they barely existed and certainly not in the numbers or with the quantity of 'owners' that they gave now. Put simply racing needed more money injected into it to stop smaller yards and courses going bust - how do you get that? Simple, syndicates; more people = more money and not just for the courses either bookies love them all those 100s of owners all having a punt on 'their' horse. The trouble is the cheaper you make it to have a horse the cheaper everyone wants it to be.
 
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£50-£100k isn't that much for a racehorse, especially not if it has top quality bloodlines.

My point was that syndicates unwittingly do dilute racing, it's not that long ago that they barely existed and certainly not in the numbers or with the quantity of 'owners' that they gave now. Put simply racing needed more money injected into it to stop smaller yards and courses going bust - how do you get that? Simple, syndicates; more people = more money and not just for the courses either bookies love them all those 100s of owners all having a punt on 'their' horse. The trouble is the cheaper you make it to have a horse the cheaper everyone wants it to be.
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Well we’ll have to disagree on that. I have shares in horses from 3500 shares to 8 and select them all on ‘am I happy with how they will be treated throughout their life’. And I’m hardly alone.
 
Just seen the pic of the poor beggar who fell at the last in the GN when exhausted. You can see that the horse is out on his feet. This very awkward fall could easily have been fatal.

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Yes, the stewards investigated, blah blah, but you racing fans are complicit in supporting this horse abuse day in, day out in tbe name of ‘sport’.

Horses pushed beyond their limits.
 
Tiddlypom said:
Just seen the pic of the poor beggar who fell at the last in the GN when exhausted. You can see that the horse is out on his feet. This very awkward fall could easily have been fatal.

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Yes, the stewards investigated, blah blah, but you racing fans are complicit in supporting this horse abuse day in, day out in tbe name of ‘sport’.

Horses pushed beyond their limits.
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But the jockey was suspended? So it wasn’t ignored.
 
teapot said:
Given there are incidents of jockeys missing flags to avoid fences/course changes, wondering if an ear piece would the be the only way? If you're in the middle of 30 odd horses at full speed, would you even see a sign that says 'number 15 pull up'?
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You could have something that makes a noise, a beep or buzz or something, to alert a jockey to look for a flag. The starts should have lights too - all the shouting is bound to wind the horses up more than they already are.
 
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You maybe don’t care but there is a serious problem in the racing world with young jockeys committing suicide. It’s a hard job for lots of reasons but the constant scrutiny and social media are certainly adding to the pressure. It’s outrageous to post comments like this whatever you think of the Grand National.
 
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